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[Lord Error]

Is that the exact same connector that almost all PC monitors support nowadays? Or is that DVI that is on PC monitors?

If true, PS3 will be good in a way that everyone will be able to run it in hi-def without spending 1000s of dollars on expensive TVs, and in the best possible quality at that.

 

[Vark]

HDMI is a secure encryptable version of DVI.. the pinouts are different, but its fairly simple to convert between the two (HDMI looks like a little quasi V-shaped ps style input).

 

[Reilly]

Not sure if anyone knows, but would that new Dell 24 inch widescreen monitor be something you could use to get an HD image on the PS3?

 

[Stinkles]

an HDMI to DVI cable will cost you about $15 online, and it may or may not work on your PC monitor. Widescreen aspect ratios often have probs with 4:3 monitors, and on a console, you can't manually adjust your output reoslution/position.

 

[cyberheater]

Not sure if anyone knows, but would that new Dell 24 inch widescreen monitor be something you could use to get an HD image on the PS3?

It would be perfect for it. Get two while your at it. You'll not regret it.

 

[marsomega]

Not sure if anyone knows, but would that new Dell 24 inch widescreen monitor be something you could use to get an HD image on the PS3?

Yes, DVI and HDMI fully compatible with each other.

 

[Brosa]

The connectors are completely different and DVI is video only whilst HDMI is video and audio. A simple pin-to-pin adaptar is the only thing you need though (for video only). You're right that DVI is the one found on PC monitors.

You don't need two HDMI compatible screens to make use of the dual video output though as one can be thru the standard AV Multi-Out connector. I believe some people still thinks you actually need two HDMI screens to make use of that feature, but you don't as confirmed by Phil Harrison in this interview with GI.biz:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9051

 

[Lord Error]

an HDMI to DVI cable will cost you about $15 online, and it may or may not work on your PC monitor. Widescreen aspect ratios often have probs with 4:3 monitors, and on a console, you can't manually adjust your output reoslution/position.

Hmmm, mine is LCD 1280x1024 so it shoud be perfect fit for 1080p 4:3 or 720p widescreen. I thought the adapter even wouldn't be needed, but if it's that cheap that's great news too.

You don't need two HDMI compatible screens to make use of the dual video output though as one can be thru the standard AV Multi-Out connector. I believe some people still thinks you actually need two HDMI screens to make use of that feature, but you don't as confirmed by Phil Harrison in this interview with GI.biz:

I knew that. I'll probably end up connecting my monitor to one HDMI out, and at the same time use component to my regular TV (computer and TV are close one to another in my room) that is untill I get enough money to buy some good HDTV set... That way I will be able to choose between the HD output on a smaller screen, and regular analog out on a bigger screen.

That is of course assuming you can acutally get exact same output on both component out and HDMI out with no performance penalty on PS3 (I can't see why it wouldn't be able to, but who knows)

 

[Reilly]

Yes, DVI and HDMI fully compatible with each other.

 

[Spectral Glider]

an HDMI to DVI cable will cost you about $15 online, and it may or may not work on your PC monitor. Widescreen aspect ratios often have probs with 4:3 monitors, and on a console, you can't manually adjust your output reoslution/position.

I would assume though, that the PS3 would be like the PS2 where in the system settings you can set for 4:3 or widescreen, right? Not being able to do so would seem disasterous for them if you ask me.

 

[Danj]

everyone will be able to run it in hi-def without spending 1000s of dollars on expensive TVs

No, instead everyone will have to spend 1000s of dollars on expensive monitors with DVI support. My monitor still works perfectly well, but because it's about 10 years old it doesn't have a DVI connector on it (it's a Hitachi CM641ET if you're interested). I haven't replaced it because I haven't seen a better/bigger monitor that doesn't cost ridiculous amounts of money.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Hmmm, mine is LCD 1280x1024 so it shoud be perfect fit for 1080p 4:3 or 720p widescreen. I thought the adapter even wouldn't be needed, but if it's that cheap that's great news too.

Dunno how a 1280x1024 LCD would be a perfect fit for 1080i (which is 1920x1080), nor why you said 1080p 4:3 (which doesn't exist according to the ATSC spec), but whatever works for you.

That is of course assuming you can acutally get exact same output on both component out and HDMI out with no performance penalty on PS3 (I can't see why it wouldn't be able to, but who knows)

If you're ouputting the same image to both monitors, then no, there shouldn't be a performance penalty. If one is using a different resolution, maybe, but I have no idea if that can be the case.

Just keep this in mind with HDMI: while what Brosa said is absolutely right, klee could also be right; it's likely that without DVI+HDCP or HDMI, you will be out of luck when it comes to BluRay movie playback.

And for what it's worth, I think there's a shot that Sony may just release a DVI plug anyway. Same restrictions, but if Sony sells official versions of every other cable under the sun, why not that?

 

[Nerevar]

Hmmm, mine is LCD 1280x1024 so it shoud be perfect fit for 1080p 4:3 or 720p widescreen. I thought the adapter even wouldn't be needed, but if it's that cheap that's great news too.

? huh ?

ALL Hi-Def formats (above 480p) are in the 16x9 aspect ratio. It looks like your LCD monitor is 16x10 (very common for PC monitors), so I don't understand how it's a "perfect fit" for any of those.

 

[Lord Error]

No, instead everyone will have to spend 1000s of dollars on expensive monitors with DVI support.

You can find them for probably less than $300-$400 now, and I think many people, especially gamers, have them at this point. If not, what can I do, at least I want to know if/how can I use the one I have.

ALL Hi-Def formats (above 480p) are in the 16x9 aspect ratio. It looks like your LCD monitor is 16x10 (very common for PC monitors), so I don't understand how it's a "perfect fit" for any of those.

Hmm, well it should work for 720p for sure, with black borders at top and bottom. The resolution seems like perfect fit and I'm fine with that. You do have a point about 1080 resolution, but I hope they will provide a global 4:3 switch like PS2 has, so that 1080p effectively turns into 1280x1080 instead of 1920x1080. That doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, considering that as far as I know, horizontal resolution is not directly specified in those formats (or so I've heard in the thread where people were discussing how GT4 renders in 1080i but doesn't have the 1920 horizontal res and still works fine on TVs).

 

[Nerevar]

Hmm, well it should work for 720p for sure, with black borders at top and bottom. You do have a point about 1080 resolution, but I hope they will provide a global 4:3 switch like PS2 has, so that 1080p effectively turns into 1280x1080 instead of 1920x1080. That doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, considering that as far as I know, horizontal resolution is not directly specified in those formats (or so I've heard in the thread where people were discussing how GT4 renders in 1080i but doesn't have the 1920 horizontal res and still works fine on TVs).

No, horizontal resolution IS specified for the ATSC table 3 spec. For 720i/p it's 1280x720. For 1080i/p it's 1920x1080. That's why everyone called what GT4 was doing "fake" 1080i. For the table itself, look here:

http://www.quantel.com/domisphere/infopool.nsf/html/DFBTable3_ATSC?OpenDocument

Notice how the resolutions are specified AND for 720 and 1080 they only include 16x9 formats. Now, that's not to say that MS/Sony won't support other resolution types, but the resolutions specified are the ones guaranteed to work on every HDTV.

 

[Lord Error]

No, horizontal resolution IS specified for the ATSC table 3 spec. For 720i/p it's 1280x720. For 1080i/p it's 1920x1080. That's why everyone called what GT4 was doing "fake" 1080i. For the table itself, look here:

Ah, I see. I remember someone posted some other specification though, which wasn't as strict, which seemed to justify what GT4 was doing (something along the lines, as long as the vertical resolution is there, it's fine)

In any case, I hope the non-widescreen support is there too, but if not, 720p (with borders) should hopefully work fine on my monitor.

 

[sonycowboy]

Yes, DVI and HDMI fully compatible with each other.

What if Blu-Ray output on HDMI is encrypted for movies? Would a DVI converter still work, or would you just have to output using component cables.

I thought there was a discussion that this is likely what hollywood would likely do, at least eventually for Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD) movies to try and curb piracy.

If so, what would the component output be? Limited/Scaled to 480p? That is, if you want to watch a High Def movie, you'll have to watch it via HDMI or, you'll be limited to DVD quality video otherwise.

 

[Crazymoogle]

What if Blu-Ray output on HDMI is encrypted for movies? Would a DVI converter still work, or would you just have to output using component cables.

I thought there was a discussion that this is likely what hollywood would likely do, at least eventually for Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD) movies to try and curb piracy.

If so, what would the component output be? Limited/Scaled to 480p? That is, if you want to watch a High Def movie, you'll have to watch it via HDMI or, you'll be limited to DVD quality video otherwise.

DVI converter would work if it and your monitor support HDCP. Your scaling suggestion could be right based on what has been said.

 

[Raistlin]

an HDMI to DVI cable will cost you about $15 online, and it may or may not work on your PC monitor. Widescreen aspect ratios often have probs with 4:3 monitors, and on a console, you can't manually adjust your output reoslution/position.

I'm quite sure that output resolutions and aspect ratio will be selectable on the next-gen consoles.

 

[Pedigree Chum]

I'm quite sure that output resolutions and aspect ratio will be selectable on the next-gen consoles.

If that's the case could I by a HDMI->DVI cable, hook it up to my PC monitor and select 4:3 aspect ratio @ 720p/1080i?

 

[Raistlin]

I would think so. It would pretty lame if they don't offer that option.

Granted, certain games' gameplay could be adversally effected if it was designed specifically to play 16:9 - but they better put the option there regardless.

 

[Yusaku]

DVI is on all decent LCD monitors, not CRTs.

If that's the case could I by a HDMI->DVI cable, hook it up to my PC monitor and select 4:3 aspect ratio @ 720p/1080i?

720p/1080i are 16:9 by definition. Your monitor would have to support some kind of 4:3 anamrophic squeeze for that to work, and I don't know of any displays that can do that.

 

[Pedigree Chum]

DVI is on all decent LCD monitors, not CRTs.



720p/1080i are 16:9 by definition. Your monitor would have to support some kind of 4:3 anamrophic squeeze for that to work, and I don't know of any displays that can do that.

Well that fucking sucks, I wish I bought a widescreen model

 

[Raistlin]

DVI is on all decent LCD monitors, not CRTs.

I think there are some CRT's with DVI.

720p/1080i are 16:9 by definition. Your monitor would have to support some kind of 4:3 anamrophic squeeze for that to work, and I don't know of any displays that can do that.

Not sure if this is true. There are plenty of 4:3 HDTVs out there, and not all have an anamorphic squeeze. So it's very possible games will offer 4:3 image modes at HDTV resolutions.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Not sure if this is true. There are plenty of 4:3 HDTVs out there, and not all have an anamorphic squeeze. So it's very possible games will offer 4:3 image modes at HDTV resolutions.

List of ATSC (including HDTV) resolutions

And I think the only 4:3 720/1080 game I've heard of is Soul Calibur 2 XBOX, but didn't that just use vertical letterboxing to make it happen? Or was I completely mistaken on that..

EDIT: I suppose what really needs to be driven home, though, is the resolutions involved. With 480p, both aspect ratios aren't that difficult to do. But squeezing 720p or 1080i literally means making rectangular pixels almost twice as wide as they are tall - something I can imagine looking really ugly, really quickly.

 

[Lord Error]

720p/1080i are 16:9 by definition. Your monitor would have to support some kind of 4:3 anamrophic squeeze for that to work, and I don't know of any displays that can do that.

Are you sure about this? Being digital input and all I'd think the picture would be just projected pixel for pixel on a screen, instead of stretched. That way a 720p picture would just occupy a top portion of the screen, with a black box below it or something like that.

 

[mrklaw]

assuming the new consoles are VGA/DVI compatible - will they work outputting 720p into a 4:3 PC monitor? i.e. will a 1280x1024 TFT support 1280x720, and just leave bars top and bottom?

 

[Oracle Dragon]

Just keep this in mind with HDMI: while what Brosa said is absolutely right, klee could also be right; it's likely that without DVI+HDCP or HDMI, you will be out of luck when it comes to BluRay movie playback.

And for what it's worth, I think there's a shot that Sony may just release a DVI plug anyway. Same restrictions, but if Sony sells official versions of every other cable under the sun, why not that?

Do you know what kind of restrictions there are on the component outputs? Since thats all I have to work with, it would be a shame not to be able to watch an HD movie. I can't really see that happening, but you never know.

 

[mrklaw]

assuming there are component outputs, you may be limited to games only.

I don't think macrovision is carried across component, otherwise we wouldn't be having this stink about HDCP, as component can do 720p/1080i no problem.

 

[Oracle Dragon]

assuming there are component outputs, you may be limited to games only.

I don't think macrovision is carried across component, otherwise we wouldn't be having this stink about HDCP, as component can do 720p/1080i no problem.

Ahhh my poor Vdigi adapter... she had a good run. I guess if thats the case I may just have to look at getting a "real" TV

 

[mrklaw]

Ahhh my poor Vdigi adapter... she had a good run. I guess if thats the case I may just have to look at getting a "real" TV

oh, of course there will be other 'adapters' that are handy for converting a HDCP/HDMI signal to DVI or VGA. I'm sure they will become very popular, and are pretty much my only hope - my TV and projector will take VGA or component, but no DVI/HDMI/HDCP.