Mammoth Jones
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One douche on a train ranting away isn't harassment. The world is full of racist douches....we gonna jail em all when one speaks out? LOL.
Racist Tube rant woman Jacqueline Woodhouse jailed
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One douche on a train ranting away isn't harassment. The world is full of racist douches....we gonna jail em all when one speaks out? LOL.
ElectricBlue187
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But this one was retweeted! How can society continue to function with this woman becoming infamous online with no legal reprisal whatsoever?!
What is harassment too you? Did you see the video?
I'm from RomfordPlus, she will never serve 5 months.
How can you be racist and from Romford? Its Korean deli's, Indian news stands, Greek diners and arse fucking parties every night of the week.
I completely agree with this, but problems arise when the definitions and cases of harassment and inciting racial hatred are interpreted in very different, varied ways.
Firstly, harassment to me suggests a form of repetitive, sustained behaviour. Does a 5 minute racist rant really constitute harassment? Not imo.
In the case of Liam Stacey making the comments on Fabrice Muamba on twitter, did his comments really incite racial hatred. I'm not so sure (I can't remember what they were).
The sentence is another issue entirely, and it's fairly obvious that these people have been made examples of.
The issue is what exactly constitutes harassment and inciting racial hatred, and so freedom of speech is a natural consequence that is a valid topic for discussion.
ElectricBlue187
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I would like to know what this strict ironclad legal definition of harassment is, as it's been used as a shield a great many times in this thread
RibbedHero
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I agree with several posters here that prison is too severe a punishment, but I disagree with those saying that this shouldn't be illegal.
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Racial abuse: illegal
Sentence: community service and racial sensitivity training
My View
Racial abuse: illegal
Sentence: community service and racial sensitivity training
Ok fair enough. It was more aimed at the front pagers who visit a thread once with 'lol UK', that frustrates me more than it should.
Here is the woman.
Here is the woman.
Mammoth Jones
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"I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it*"
(*Unless what you say is repugnant, offensive and harms my emotional well being. Then it shall be "harassment" and jail time is perfectly appropriate.)
Watch the video and you might see!
Okay, I'm done with you.
I would defend fucking holocaust denier's right to deny the thing and spread their message.
I will not defend harassment.
And I won't engage with you anymore in this conversation because you're continuing to just misrepresent the entire thing, remain unwilling to understand the situation or even have disagreements that are related to the damn problem.
She also threatened violence against a dude who was just minding his own business and singing, still not harassment too you?
Also she was fined for the a similar crime before, so maybe the jail time is in response to her not learning her lesson the first time
RibbedHero
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Wikipedia seems to disagree, though I am no expert:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-0
ElectricBlue187
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I hope you aren't british
Stephen Colbert
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Try saying even remotely questionable things in a court house without getting thrown in jail for "contempt of court."
I agree that jail time for words is stupid, but it happens in the US as well for far less severe words. It all depends on where they are said.
Musha_Soturi
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J Tourettes says no one has brought up that the woman has previous form yet. And also he said to tell Suairyu to keep fighting the good fight.
The Incarnation
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So this woman gets sent to a prison inside of a prison. Inception.
I read my local paper's comment sections, and the likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail's comment sections and I love how these people crave other people to get punished harshly, always complaining about our SOFT justice and HOLIDAY CAMP prisons. Yet when the whole nation slowly turns into a prison itself, and their so-called law-abiding hard working taxpaying citizens get a taste of what they themselves crave to happen to others (TOUGH JUSTICE) they complain like fuck.
There's no pleasing these people, the people who want to bring back hanging for example.
She got jailed. Good. If the people here in the UK weren't so cruel minded she probably would of got a fine, which is the max someone should get for racist/verbal abuse. However the crueler and harsher the people become in a nation, the tougher the justice. But it's all okay when it is happening to others, until the net slowly starts to sweep over them too.
I don't even think people should be jailed for fighting, but they are.
You'd be surprised to see how nice people would become if they knew that they could get knocked out legit for insulting someone, in the knowledge that they couldn't be punished for assault.
I read my local paper's comment sections, and the likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail's comment sections and I love how these people crave other people to get punished harshly, always complaining about our SOFT justice and HOLIDAY CAMP prisons. Yet when the whole nation slowly turns into a prison itself, and their so-called law-abiding hard working taxpaying citizens get a taste of what they themselves crave to happen to others (TOUGH JUSTICE) they complain like fuck.
There's no pleasing these people, the people who want to bring back hanging for example.
She got jailed. Good. If the people here in the UK weren't so cruel minded she probably would of got a fine, which is the max someone should get for racist/verbal abuse. However the crueler and harsher the people become in a nation, the tougher the justice. But it's all okay when it is happening to others, until the net slowly starts to sweep over them too.
I don't even think people should be jailed for fighting, but they are.
You'd be surprised to see how nice people would become if they knew that they could get knocked out legit for insulting someone, in the knowledge that they couldn't be punished for assault.
Mammoth Jones
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To me the defining characteristic of harassment is that it continues repeatedly over a period of time. To the point that it's interfering with a part of someone's life.
If the lady did this EVERY day to the same people then alright. If she's been warned multiple times by officers that she's bothering riders then alright.
But -one- disgusting rant shouldn't equate to jail time. As much as I'd probably high-five everyone here if she were to magically get hit by a dump truck tomorrow...I can't co-sign locking her up because she thinks bad things about people and chose to voice it. Once.
nope. Maybe she'll think about how nasty she was after those prison mashed potatoes.
Mammoth Jones
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More Fun To Compute
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How is he misreading it? Thoughtcrime in the book was a term used to justify total surveillance and recording by authorities at all times so they could find out who was thinking forbidden thoughts. This is a case based on someone being filmed in a weak moment with the footage being used to publicly humiliate them and lock them up for thinking the wrong way.
She was fined for a similar incident in 2008, I'm pretty sure the judge was like you did not learn your lesson the first time maybe this time it will get through your head.
Fair enough one your definition of harassment, but this is the second time she has done this in the "tubes", if the fine did not work the first time then what will?
mysticwhip
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oh man, thanks bro.
FunkyPajamas
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Er... the right to not be attacked personally?
ReturnOfTheRAT
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But she vocalized it.
FunkyPajamas
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Sorry, I'm an idiot.
Mammoth Jones
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Therapy. Which to be blunt, I find equally absurd. But infinitely better than jailtime for being a racist douche.
Lionheart1337
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lol.
FunkyPajamas
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You're right, your compelling argument and eloquence have destroyed my points of view completely. I thank you for a well thought-out dissertation; a most accurate response to my flawed initial post may never be produced.
I hope you answer me with a "u mad". Because, yes, I am mad, quite, in fact.
I've seen the video, i'm in the "fine + community service" camp.
It's not even about free speech or anything, it just doesn't seem aggressive enough to warrant prison (in the video, atleast).
A fine and some community work should be enough, i mean it's not like she'll quit being a racist idiot, but that's true for prison too.
EDIT: Of course, it also depends on what "prison" means in the UK, a camp like the one in Norway (in the vice.com video) it'd be another thing.
It's not even about free speech or anything, it just doesn't seem aggressive enough to warrant prison (in the video, atleast).
A fine and some community work should be enough, i mean it's not like she'll quit being a racist idiot, but that's true for prison too.
EDIT: Of course, it also depends on what "prison" means in the UK, a camp like the one in Norway (in the vice.com video) it'd be another thing.
ElectricBlue187
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Its not thoughtcrime if they get to be the thought police
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