kpopSuperstar
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Rampage Jacksons stupid ass son nearly kills a wrestler
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nkarafo
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I agree with everything you said except maybe this part.
Scripted wresting is different in that every wrestler who goes into the ring knows everything that happens is scripted. So it probably took some time before they realized something was really wrong. Here's how it probably played in their heads:
"Shit is that guy supposed to be here? Am i missing something?"
"Damn those punches look like real..."
"Wait, are those punches real? Am i supposed to do something? The others don't seem to do anything so maybe i'm seeing things?"
"Oh shit, those punches ARE real, wtf?"
This train of thought can take a few seconds at least, which means several punches have been landed before something is done. I think very few would have the quick thinking and reflexes needed to prevent even half of those punches.
I mean, i don't think a scripted wrestling referee is even supposed to be on such high alert, unlike in a real MMA match where he has to be laser focused and ready to get in the way to block anything more than one or two punches after the knock out.
ssringo
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They're as much a part of the act as the wrestlers are but give an air of legitimacy (or used to) to the while affair. They take bumps as needed, get "distracted" so rules can be broken or miss counting a pin, etc. They're also a bit of a screen when a hard bump or injury really happens so the wrestler can pull themselves together and finish the match.
And there is a level of realism where wrestlers are a bit snug with their attacks or throw 'potatoes' (accidental or purposefully) that everyone just has to roll with. Someone going apeshit would take a bit to really sink in that it wasn't part of the show.
Kacho
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We got Mark Henry victim blaming now.
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Syko Stu Deserves Blame for Role in Raja Jackson Incident, WWE Legend Says
WWE legend Mark Henry tells TMZ Sports Syko Stu deserves at a least a portion of the blame for that ugly incident that went down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's son over the weekend.
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FeralEcho
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We got Mark Henry victim blaming now.
Syko Stu Deserves Blame for Role in Raja Jackson Incident, WWE Legend Says
WWE legend Mark Henry tells TMZ Sports Syko Stu deserves at a least a portion of the blame for that ugly incident that went down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's son over the weekend.
RVD is currently defending himself on X after dropping this video
Love seeing all the morons coming out of the woodwork exposing how stupid they really are and ruining whatever reputation they have...and for what? Social media clout? Embarassing and appalling. What is wrong with people man...
violence
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Yeah, the referee is also a performer. A lot of it is just ad libbed on the spot. They play. Which is why the incident with the can happened. The camera was there behind the scenes and one of the wrestlers thought it was for work, not some dude streaming.
This whole incident is surreal.
Raja is clearly a guy who's been bullied by his dad all his life (part of the problem here) but I gotta admit I laughed. "Did you get jumped by a bunch of dudes in tights?"
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We got Mark Henry victim blaming now.
Syko Stu Deserves Blame for Role in Raja Jackson Incident, WWE Legend Says
WWE legend Mark Henry tells TMZ Sports Syko Stu deserves at a least a portion of the blame for that ugly incident that went down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's son over the weekend.
RVD is currently defending himself on X after dropping this video
Not the first time Mark Henry had a retard level take. You'd think a guy in the biz would be questioning why this guy would be going around backstage with cameras and starting with the attitude right away.
Was going to see what RVD had to say but not going to sit through an hour with no doubt multiple appearances of his plastic-not-so-fantastic lady thing popping up during the discussion.
nkarafo
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The irony is that Raja didn't even prove whatever badassery shit he wanted to prove to his chat. Syko wasn't even aware Raja was behind him until he got grabbed, there was no chance to defend himself.
If Raja really wanted to prove how badass he is he could maybe pat the other guy on the back and challenge him right there. Throw the first hit if you must but at least warn the other guy that you are there? But nope, he decided the badass thing to do was to attack someone who is completely unaware. This brutal attack was still nothing more than a glorified suckerpunch. Which, in the end, only makes Raja an even bigger bitch than the one he tried to prove he is not.
DKehoe
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Wouldn't surprise me if RVD decided to have a contrarian take purely to drive attention to his podcast/youtube channel. It would be classic "I'm getting heat, brother!" dipshit wrestler thinking.
GymWolf
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It's a well thought post but I'm still not buying it, a wrestler should recognize a fake blow from a real blow much better than your average joe, and let's be honest, even the wwe best wrestlers hard hits look fake as fuck, you are never gonna mistake a real beatdown from a fake beatdown, i don't believe for a second that all these dudes needed more than 5 sec to recognize those punches were real.
Even the 4 wrestlers that made a video about the condition of sykostu blamed all the people in there for not intervening, i think they know better than us gaffers what is the normal reaction time of when you are seeing a dude straight up murdering another dude.
I may be harsh but that's what i think, no way you can convince me that what is basically a stunter, can't immeditely recognize when it's not a stunt anymore.
I can give them the slam and the first couple of punches, not the 20 sec after...
It was crystal clear those were punches with an intent to kill, no mistake about that, not from people who train for that shit probably every day.
I'm gonna die on this hill, nobody with more than 2 brain cell can think that shit was fake, no matter how much we try to rationalize their train of thoughts.
Watch any reaction video to the beating, average people realize what is happening after the very first 2 punches but people who were there and watched the whole scene nedeed 20+ punches in to understand it wasn't fake, nope, not buying it.
The human decency in your brain should go into 6th gear the moment you saw the dude raining punches on an unconscious friend and bypass any wrestler antics superfluos thought, just fucking help, who the fuck cares if there is a little chance of being fake, the alternative of not doing nothing is to see a dude getting killed, and it is 1000x times worse than ruining a fucking show with 50 people at best watching.
And what is this assumptions that people in there were in the dark about raja intervention? They straight up set up his apparition when sykostu was still excusing himselfs for the fake can, the other dude tells him that raja is gonna go in the ring to settle shit, you see another scene where the same dude confirm that raja is gonna get his revenge, and you wanna tell me that in a sport where everything is scripted to the most small detail, nobody knew that raja was about to intervene? So one dude can set up a whole unexpected revenge without telling anyone shit? Hardly believable.
P.s. ignore the tone, i'm not mad at you.
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GymWolf
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We got Mark Henry victim blaming now.
Syko Stu Deserves Blame for Role in Raja Jackson Incident, WWE Legend Says
WWE legend Mark Henry tells TMZ Sports Syko Stu deserves at a least a portion of the blame for that ugly incident that went down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's son over the weekend.
RVD is currently defending himself on X after dropping this video
hope these morons lose all their fans, but who i'm fucking kidding...
violence
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So cowboy hat guy who set the whole thing up says he was in character when talking to Raja.
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Grildon Tundy
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Raja's violent traits should've been taught or trained out by now. Childhood/lenient sentences for minors is a way to account for a learning period on how to not commit violent crime in civil society. Prison is the last resort, yes, but it's time for it.
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nkarafo
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I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post as i don't feel that strongly for my take either. You are probably right that the wrestlers themselves should have figured it out sooner.
I would argue about the non-wresters though. Because every single person who saw this video knew they are going to see something that went wrong. This topic is the first time i saw it and what's the title? "Rampage Jacksons stupid ass son nearly kills a wrestler". So i knew i was going to watch someone who is going to kill someone, before i even clicked the video. Before the punches started to land, i knew they were real and lethal, the moment he raised his fists. I didn't even have to see the actual blows to feel the cringe.
So yeah, everyone were baited/hyped/informed about what they are going to see, that's how you get those instant "oof" reactions. But what if you saw that in real time? What if you were in the crowd? Do you really think the audience or even the ones that were close, had the same head rolling reaction at the same time? Some? Sure. But i'm willing to bet most people had the same train of though i posted about previously. Especially considering they are pre-wired into watching something scripted.
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Kacho
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His heart is in the right place, but no, prison time is definitely warranted here. Civilized society doesn't work when there are zero consequences.
My heart's with the army vet who was assaulted within an inch of his life over nothing, not the premeditated psychopath attacker. That's just me though.
Grildon Tundy
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Tbf, the guy threw the 20 punches in a matter of seconds. If I were a bystander, it probably would've taken me a few seconds to process what I was seeing with enough rationality to act on it.
Kacho
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I agree with Sean that rehabilitation is important and leniency is sometimes warranted. Not in this case though. Especially with all of the stuff that has come out after the fact.
It's like cashless bail. People that support it have good intentions but it just ends up creating more problems. Like you said, suicidal empathy.
StreetsofBeige
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You could tell the guy is mental.
That vid of him all angry and pissed walking down the street after it happened goes to show he's still charged up like he's going to kick over every trash can he walks by.
It's like an angry drunk guy who wont calm down all night until he finally sleeps it off and wakes up the next day.
StreetsofBeige
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For me, I've always been on the side of harsher crime. Dont get me wrong, if a handicap kid not knowing what he's doing does something stupid it's not fair to lock him up in prison for 20 years. But they should still be locked up in a more open pschy ward or something. Anything to get them off the streets.
In fact, IMO I think mental people should be watched more because they are unstable, probably have learning disabilities, and you never know what will set them off. On the other hand, a pissed off guy coming from a heated argument with his wife will probably be left at that. He isn't going to be trying to beat up any guy he sees. His issue is with his wife. A guy who embezzles money is a shady thief, but it'll probably be limited to that.
We've all seen it growing up in school. There's the handicap class. Most of the time the kids are chill. They got learning or speaking issues, but most of them time harmless. Then out of nowhere at recess they start coming at you flailing their arms. Maybe they dont know how to socialize and he wants a hug. Maybe something set him off and he wants to punch the closest student. Who knows. But that mental unpredictability is the danger.
It's like what a gaffer mentioned to me in the immigration thread. There was a case like 20 years ago a bunch of people were on a bus to Manitoba I think. Some old Chinese schizo guy suddenly goes ape shit about demons and cut the head off the young guy next to him and started eating him. That's crazy shit that needs to be locked up. No easy peasy probation.
GymWolf
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I mean...you can know that a video is about a beating and still recognize on your own that those are real punches because they look super vicious and not fake at all.
I knew you were about to respond to me that way, but there are beatings and beatings, not every reaction to a beating is so immediate even if you know you are watching a beating, sometimes people laugh because they look silly, sometimes they are passive because they were expecting more etc.
If i can recognize that half the people reacted immediately because they knew they were watching a baeting, you can agree with me that even without the description, AT THE VERY, VERY LEAST, 50% of people would immediately recognize a feral beating.
Now, with these data in mind, why did 100% of people did jack shit to stop the dude before 20+ punches already landed?
If i understood what the pink dude who stopped the cunt said, he was allerted by another dude saying to him to intervene, so that fucking dude knew what was happening, and who know how many other people in there noticed the beating but instead of doing something, they waited for someone else to do something.
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GymWolf
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Watch itm mma live last video, there is some shamenigans going on...
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Kacho
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YouTube?
GymWolf
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roosnam1980
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for reference a regular powerbomb followed by 2 punches
P:axMagellanic
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Jackson trolled his son into almost murdering somebody. IQ in the negative, not a single neuron firing between either of their ears.
GymWolf
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Legal because the other dude was trying a submission from his guard.
Still, not something you do in a fake wrestling match.
People who say would of belong in jail
GateofD
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We got Mark Henry victim blaming now.
Syko Stu Deserves Blame for Role in Raja Jackson Incident, WWE Legend Says
WWE legend Mark Henry tells TMZ Sports Syko Stu deserves at a least a portion of the blame for that ugly incident that went down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson's son over the weekend.
RVD is currently defending himself on X after dropping this video
what a dumb take from Mark Henry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I saw so far is that Stu thought Raja was in on the act, and after finding out he wasn't and Raja wasn't aware what happened. He apologizes multiple times and Raja accepts it and shakes his hand. Then afterwards, starts gassing himself up and gassed by others to take revenge. So even if Stu was at fault a little bit for the what looks like a prop beer can smash, he immediately addressed it.
Reizo Ryuu
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Could barely get through the tweet because of this.
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This entire situation is messy.
Syko Stu deserved a receipt for hitting Raja with a beer can, but not the vicious assault that occurred in the middle of that ring.
Raja has no defense. Not only did he hit him 20+ times while unconscious, but he was also trying to continue the assault again AFTER the wrestlers pulled him off.
Maven does a good job breaking this down.
Syko Stu deserved a receipt for hitting Raja with a beer can, but not the vicious assault that occurred in the middle of that ring.
Raja has no defense. Not only did he hit him 20+ times while unconscious, but he was also trying to continue the assault again AFTER the wrestlers pulled him off.
Maven does a good job breaking this down.
Mobilemofo
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He's a bigger bitch now than he's ever been..
Kacho
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Mark Henry has a lot of shit takes.
A year ago he was calling out Japanese women in WWE (who were heels) for being disrespectful during the black women's entrance. He got dragged for it.
Not surprised to see him take up the "she was asking for it wearing that dress" position here.
Mobilemofo
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Totally. I mean, "receipts" are what is given when you get a proper dig, and you get to give them a bit of a proper dig for real during a match (seen it with brock, haku, taker, Austin over the years). Usually shows are worked nicely, each wrestler knows what they are doing, the bumps they gonna take etc, when, and how..it's all quite technical. It's an art form really. Deliver an entertaining match, safe for you and your opponent..
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Yes I remember that instance of Mark Henry making a fool of himself and here he is again.
Some people really should learn from their history and give a second thought whether they should speak up the next time they want to add their two cents.
FeralEcho
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Prison should be the last resort? As in what? AFTER he's killed someone already? What a dumbass...and these idiots are supposedly professionals and role models...
I'd say laying 20 punches into a clearly unconscious opponent is cause enough for "last resort" champ.
roosnam1980
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Kacho
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Oh the guy is just recapping the youtube clip I posted last night.
Soodanim
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I wonder what his state of mind would have been had his dad not called him on both their streams and taken the piss out of him in public. His rant after the incident said a lot.
Chat still played a part over time by repeatedly challenging him, but that sort of self-esteem issue has to have be deep-seated for provocation to work like that. And by that point Raja knew his dad had been and could still have been watching him. That had to be on his mind.
Chat still played a part over time by repeatedly challenging him, but that sort of self-esteem issue has to have be deep-seated for provocation to work like that. And by that point Raja knew his dad had been and could still have been watching him. That had to be on his mind.
Not to mention it was in California and he has a (mildly) famous daddy.
Bingo! The Racism card!
Poor, poor Rampage Jackson. Him and his bitch son are going to be talked about for a looong time for this debacle.
Kacho
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DeVeAn
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That sneak attack was so damn evil man.