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[Magus1234]

I edited my post sorry, I honestly do not know much about Jp porn, but reading some of the things on here I do agree it is an issue as well.

 

[Sunster]

is loli/shota (child pornography manga) still legal to publish in Japan?

 

[Marmaladefire]

Sorry. I jumped the gun.

It's all good. Persona avatar holders don't always have the sharpest opinions on Japanese schoolgirl relations after all, as you probably know.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

Ugh. Reading those stories made me feel sick. People sticking their fingers in 10 year old girls?? What the fuck man.

 

[Valkerionseven]

is loli/shota (child pornography manga) still legal to publish in Japan?

I believe so.

For the record, its illegal to produce real life child porn. The recent law that was enacted was to stop the possession of it (assumed the ban on making it would counteract that...for some reason)

As for manga the argument was that it is in fact its own thing and thus under the umbrella of art. The defenders said its attacking freedom of speech and creativity if they ban it as well and it got back burnered. Most of these are not made by any major publisher or anything but can generally be found in their respective sections.

 

[mdubs]

It also doesn't help that the subway is so overcrowded at times that there's no room to move away from a groper.

 

[Haly]

Grab the hand and squeeze/claw it until they scream.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

How about in schools instead of playing basketball etc teach the ladies some self defense.

Or a standard issue tazer

 

[Media]

I mean, when we have people violently freaking out about 'censorship' when they edit little girl panty shots out of video games even here, no one should be surprised this is a problem.

 

[norinrad]

I often find it disturbing that people who may have only been on a vacation or read about Japan in the media think of it as an advanced country. Once you go really deep inside the culture you'd be quite surprise.

 

[AtomskEater]

I think I need a shower after reading those women talk about their experiences. That's just really gross, and disheartening that not much is being done about it.

 

[Danthrax]

How about in schools instead of playing basketball etc teach the boys how to avoid sexually assaulting others.

Or a standard issue tazer

fixed

or do both, I guess. but don't just take measures to stop the problem from the girls' side of things.

 

[Wandering Robot]

Besides being reprehensible and disgusting that Japan at large brushes this problem away, it makes me worry for my sister who's dying to relocate to Japan. I wish every girl had the legal protection and the reflexes to just deck anyone who touches them, but the onus shouldn't be on them, the victims, alone to fix what is a problem with their society at large. Good that there's a growing discussion about it, but it's horrible and will take time to change, if it does at all.

 

[DrunkandDrunker]

Yelling out ちかん (chikan) will surprisingly get results. Seen a guy bum rushed off a train when a woman yelled it and I assume handed to authorities.

Bad method. Will not suggest, also will not solve the problem.

In 1988, a woman got groped on an Osaka subway train by two men. The woman confronted them, got dragged to a near by construction yard and got raped, no body helped. Women groups asked for a prevention plan from Osaka. Osaka asked women to prepare self defense measures.
https://no-seiboryoku.jimdo.com/私たちについて/地下鉄御堂筋事件-について/

Quite frankly, the badge/sticker thing isn't really any improvement either when you're putting the onus on the victim to not only ask for help but to also gather evidence. The railway companies are contractually obligated to provide a safe environment to their customers. If the self-immolation on the bullet train wasn't a lesson enough, put security cameras on all trains all the time, and let everyone know that.

Prevention has to be backed up by effective prosecution, which requires evidence. And security camera footage is the best evidence that won't put more burden on the victim.

Banning rape lolita porn, cartoon child porn, etc. Theoretically amusing, but not even close to a sound evidence based solution to groping on trains.

 

[Onlinehero]

This is why multicultura- oh wait.

How is it with this issue in nearby countries, such as South Korea? I remember seeing som pretty badass feminist logos during recent protests.

 

[Magni]

Would like to reiterate once again that Japan does have the internet hahaha.

Given the amount of the back of teen boys heads I have to slap in a afternoon for bringing up non Japanese porn stars, the assumption that the only thing available to the people here is their own censored stuff (that once again it is possible to get it with censoring) is pretty silly this day and age.

Also once again assuming that 90% or whatever other made up stat is simulated rape porn is also silly. Though I would agree that the fact that it is even considered an accepted genre here is a issue. Theres probably more variety in Japanese porn than anywhere else.

You hear Japanese teen boys talking about Western porn stars multiple time a day?

 

[Laughing Banana]

I often find it disturbing that people who may have only been on a vacation or read about Japan in the media think of it as an advanced country. Once you go really deep inside the culture you'd be quite surprise.

You can say that to pretty much every "advanced" country in the world.

 

[casiopao]

While indeed shaming the culprit is indeed a proper way to teach those pervert a lesson, I also remember hearing the case of wrongly accused guy of this Chikan case.

Some man who are just in the wrong place and the wrong time can get accused as the pervert and end up in a very bad position which ruined their future.

I feel, the government and of course the train company should did much more here rather than just throwing everything to the victim to solve. More Camera, more security, more gender specific train and of course more train would probably able to make the train not as crowded as now to make the Chikan chance of happening decrease.

 

[DonMigs85]

Japan needs more Takeos

 

[Spooky Scary Skeleton]

This is why multicultura- oh wait.

How is it with this issue in nearby countries, such as South Korea? I remember seeing som pretty badass feminist logos during recent protests.

Pretty much the same, hence the recent boom of feminist movement in SK.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I'm a teacher here and my 700+ students (aged 6-16) all walk to and from school, so I'd like to think they've never been a victim to this.

 

[ZackieChan]

It also doesn't help that the subway is so overcrowded at times that there's no room to move away from a groper.

As a counterpoint, Bangkok has trains this crowded very often. They also have school uniforms that have been similarly fetishised. Porn is outlawed.

But, afaik, these problems don't exist. I think it comes down to the society's very different views on sex.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Dads need to step in and end this shit. Awareness is key so people can openly discuss what's happening and find a solution.

 

[Goron2000]

Doesn't surprise me. I went to Tokyo last year and they have big signs on the escalators telling you to watch out for people taking upskirt photos.

 

[Jonnax]

Hmm. A little different but covers some similar ground. There was a report on the BBC about sex and kids/young girls etc. Stacey Dooley Investigates - Young Sex for Sale in Japan Now I'm not the biggest fan of these kind of investigative shows. But still it is never-the-less disturbing and eye-opening. However not at all surprising.

The programme description:

Japan has a serious problem with the sexualisation of children. From bars where men pay to meet schoolgirls to suggestive pictures of very young children and comic books featuring child rape, the country has faced global criticism for its attitudes. It was only three years ago that possessing genuine child pornography was finally made illegal.

Stacey Dooley, one of BBC Three’s most popular documentary-makers fronts another powerful, hard-hitting investigation when she travels to Tokyo, Japan to look into what effect the law banning child porn has had and to see if the attitude towards the sexualisation of children has changed.

Stacey discovers a culture where sexual images of young girls are widespread and used for commercial gain. Her first stop is a legal Tokyo ‘JK’ café in which high-school aged girls are paid to provide company to older men – who tell her that it is perfectly normal to talk about sex and hold hands with girls as young as 15 dressed in school uniform.

Stacey uncovers an even more disturbing legal grey area exists in Japan called ‘Chako Ero’ where children as young as six are filmed or photographed in erotic clothing. She speaks to a producer of these films as well as a self-confessed paedophile to try and discover just why some Japanese culture seems to encourage inappropriate exploitation and sexualisation of children.

Following the law change, the documentary examines what else Japan is doing to stop normalising the sexualisation of children. Stacey meets volunteers from a charity trying to help vulnerable girls, as well as the Head of the Juvenile Section at the National Police to find what they are doing to protect young girls.
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6 year olds???? What the fuck.

 

[Komatsu]

Getting out of Tokyo and Osaka, it's like being hit by "a silver tsunami" (to quote Martin Amis). Everyone's old, you don't see teens anywhere.The country's population shrunk by almost a million people between 2010 and 2015.

I fear that this, mixed up with traditional patriarchal culture and millions of single men with no prospects, is what drives incidents such as those described in the OP.

 

[loaf of bread]

Getting out of Tokyo and Osaka, it's like being hit by "a silver tsunami" (to quote Martin Amis). Everyone's old, you don't see teens anywhere.The country's population shrunk by almost a million people between 2010 and 2015.

I fear that this, mixed up with traditional patriarchal culture and millions of single men with no prospects, is what drives incidents such as those described in the OP.

Ehh, the whole Chikan "sub-culture" if you will, goes back a lot longer than Japan's demographic crisis.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Sickening stories in this thread.

And as others have stated here; it won't fix the problem outright but uncensoring their porn is an easy first step they should take.

 

[Magni]

As a counterpoint, Bangkok has trains this crowded very often. They also have school uniforms that have been similarly fetishised. Porn is outlawed.

But, afaik, these problems don't exist. I think it comes down to the society's very different views on sex.

I have never been to Thailand, but I have trouble believing this. There is no groping at all on subways? Before Japan, I lived in Europe, North America, and South America, and I heard of groping on the subway everywhere, so I thought it'd unfortunately be a universal thing.

I'm not saying that it's there at the same scale as it is in Japan, but no groping at all? If so, then Japan should definitely take a look at Thailand and see if it can get some inspiration from there.

 

[- J - D -]

I believe so.

For the record, its illegal to produce real life child porn. The recent law that was enacted was to stop the possession of it (assumed the ban on making it would counteract that...for some reason)

As for manga the argument was that it is in fact its own thing and thus under the umbrella of art. The defenders said its attacking freedom of speech and creativity if they ban it as well and it got back burnered. Most of these are not made by any major publisher or anything but can generally be found in their respective sections.

Wtf, manga depicting child porn is allowed to be sold in stores? Or do you mean those comiket(?) manga/anime convention things?

 

[faridmon]

Problems like this existed for a long time, they are frequent and well documented, yet its really unsettling for many to ignore it, even here on GAF.

There are Japanophiles who just flat out refuses that these thing exist, which is a shame.

I have never been to Thailand, but I have trouble believing this. There is no groping at all on subways? Before Japan, I lived in Europe, North America, and South America, and I heard of groping on the subway everywhere, so I thought it'd unfortunately be a universal thing.

I'm not saying that it's there at the same scale as it is in Japan, but no groping at all? If so, then Japan should definitely take a look at Thailand and see if it can get some inspiration from there.

Groping is definitely a common practice in UK and the places I have visited in Europe...

 

[encephalon]

I've physically stood as a barrier between a JHS girl and a drunk older man that seemed to be inching towards her (as well as others with me).

 

[Ratrat]

Yeah, they definitely shouldn't try to change the way men see women and the rape culture pervading their society.

Segregation will fix it!
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Yes, lets just use entertainment as a scapegoat! These poor felons who tend to be old creeps would never commit crimes in public if it weren't for all that anime!

I think better security(cameras), less dangerously crowded trains and harsher punishments make more sense.

 

[HandsomeCharles]

As much as I love Japan, it's people and its culture, this is one area that simply isn't acceptable.

On my first trip there, one evening (around 9pm) I was walking around Shinjuku with some friends, when I saw a man in his late 20s (who was walking immediately in front of me) reach out and grab the breast of a younger girl as she passed us by. And I'm not talking a "brush" here, this was a proper grab that looked physically painful!

She let out a little scream, turned her body away and kept on walking, as if this was a "regular" occurrence.

I was so shocked by what I had seen that I just froze up. I couldn't believe someone would actually do that, let alone in the middle of a street, just so nonchalantly! I know I should have said or done something, and I really regret that I didn't. All I could do was say "did you fucking see that?!" To my friend a few moments later, but by that point the guy had disappeared into the crowd.

It needs sorted out. Nobody should be able to behave like that with impunity, and nobody should have to suffer those actions. For a culture that is generally so respectful it's just shocking.

 

[Shredderi]

I was so shocked by what I had seen that I just froze up. I couldn't believe someone would actually do that, let alone in the middle of a street, just so nonchalantly!

I know right? Behaviour like that just seems so alien to me. So far fetched that in somebody's mind it is ok to do things like that. They seem like a different species. There's just no way of relating and it honestly manages to shock me reading these things. They have mothers, aunts, sisters etc. so doesn't it make them sick thinking about this stuff happening to them?

 

[Shaanyboi]

I need a fucking shower after reading some of this shit. We're fucking talking about teens, or even younger here. Does Japan's female population need to start getting armed with hammers or some shit? Because if you're going to fucking grope a child, that's about what you deserve.

 

[Ferr986]

And yet I still have to believe people that tells me that sexualization of, not only young girls, but these kind of assaults, in games, movies, mangas.... is not a problem and has no correlation with these stories.

 

[lightskintwin]

And yet I still have to believe people that tells me that sexualization of, not only young girls, but these kind of assaults, in games, movies, mangas.... is not a problem and has no correlation with these stories.

One could argue it's art imitating life and not the other way around.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

I believe so.

For the record, its illegal to produce real life child porn. The recent law that was enacted was to stop the possession of it (assumed the ban on making it would counteract that...for some reason)

They still just circumvent that by having half naked J-Idols in adult "porn" swimsuits licking on white Ice, stretching themselves in sex positions, showing "no pube" zones and stuff like that. Gravure child idol DVDs are the worst....

 

[sprsk]

Japanese porn isn't the problem, it's a symptom of antiquated ideas instilled in the men of Japan about how women should be treated. Fwiw a lot of people prefer the censor because they don't actually want to see their fav jav idols actually having sex, ruins their pathetic fantasy.

These assaults happen because these men don't see women as people and they think as men they are untouchable.


It's a deep rooted cultural issue that goes way the fuck back. Japan's way late to the party on women's issues and most places still operate like this is the 50s.

To fix this problem you have to:

Educate people (kids) on rape. Don't dance around the issue and show what it actually does to people.

Create a safe environment for women to report these crimes and ensure the rapists are brought to justice.

Yes, stopping schools from requiring girls to wear skirts is helpful.

Yes, women only train cars are helpful. They need to be made universal and all day.

But you gotta do the other stuff, the hard stuff too.

 

[ZackieChan]

I have never been to Thailand, but I have trouble believing this. There is no groping at all on subways? Before Japan, I lived in Europe, North America, and South America, and I heard of groping on the subway everywhere, so I thought it'd unfortunately be a universal thing.

I'm not saying that it's there at the same scale as it is in Japan, but no groping at all? If so, then Japan should definitely take a look at Thailand and see if it can get some inspiration from there.

Never heard of it being a thing, but I'm sure if it's a "normal" deviancy that affects all countries, it exists. Just not on a large scale like Japan, where there's articles written about it. I'll ask around, though.

 

[Ratrat]

Japanese porn isn't the problem, it's a symptom of antiquated ideas instilled in the men of Japan about how women should be treated. Fwiw a lot of people prefer the censor because they don't actually want to see their fav jav idols actually having sex, ruins their pathetic fantasy.

These assaults happen because these men don't see women as people and they think as men they are untouchable.


It's a deep rooted cultural issue that goes way the fuck back. Japan's way late to the party on women's issues and most places still operate like this is the 50s.

To fix this problem you have to:

Educate people (kids) on rape. Don't dance around the issue and show what it actually does to people.

Create a safe environment for women to report these crimes and ensure the rapists are brought to justice.

Yes, stopping schools from requiring girls to wear skirts is helpful.

Yes, women only train cars are helpful. They need to be made universal and all day.

But you gotta do the other stuff, the hard stuff too.

Kids do know. Train stations have 'chikan' posters all over the place. Criminals should not be let off the hook for such a widely known issue.
We need harsher laws, better security and to make it easier for victims to be able to report attacks without fear.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Yes, lets just use entertainment as a scapegoat! These poor felons who tend to be old creeps would never commit crimes in public if it weren't for all that anime!

I think better security(cameras), less dangerously crowded trains and harsher punishments make more sense.

The entertainment is a symptom of a culture that teaches men that this is appropriate behavior around women.

Lancing the cultural warts would be a good start to at least admitting it's a problem. More cameras, better security, and harsher penalties on college campuses isn't going to suddenly reduce the number of American undergraduates being targeted for rape and date rape by their peers. If the kids have reached 18 and don't know that rape is wrong we've already failed as a society.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Disgusting. They really need to do something about this. When young girls can't even walk to school without a large chance of being groped, something is very wrong in your society and you need to make changes.

Start with making it a discussion in society. None of this victim blaming bullshit. Call out the people doing this, make it easier to report it, take the reports serious and punish the criminals. Cameras in the trains, when someone reports it, pull the tapes and hang their face on a wanted poster in the station or something. If this is such a large problem, you should have dedicated teams on it.

Stop it with the underage schoolgirl fetish everywhere. In porn and such, fine. But when you have actual bars where you pay to grope people in a subway train setting, maybe that is an indication there is a problem with this stuff and the government can step in with some regulation on this subject.

 

[Somnid]

Kids do know. Train stations have 'chikan' posters all over the place. Criminals should not be let off the hook for such a widely known issue.
We need harsher laws, better security and to make it easier for victims to be able to report attacks without fear.

I think there's more to it than posters. Yes, they might know not to grope but when you internalize a culture where blatant sexism is the norm, you get a larger percent of men who think women exist for their own titillation.

 

[Anung]

It kinda blew my mind when I went over. Both hentai vending machines being a commonplace thing on train lines and their phones shutters having to make a clicking noise when a picture is taken.

The most horrid thing was when I went into a porn shop (I'm human you know) I had a look around and seen your run of the mill stuff a few shelves of grot like shit and vomit porn (not my bag) but the shit that turned my stomach was this weird section where I'm not sure it was actual child porn but it was certainly presenting itself as such. Incredibly young girls in play pools and the like. They looked like 13.

Also, the hotel porn had rad Evangelion cosplay porn along side stuff like "wives were raped" and "boys rape mothers"

 

[Ratrat]

The entertainment is a symptom of a culture that teaches men that this is appropriate behavior around women.

Lancing the cultural warts would be a good start to at least admitting it's a problem. More cameras, better security, and harsher penalties on college campuses isn't going to suddenly reduce the number of American undergraduates being targeted for rape and date rape by their peers. If the kids have reached 18 and don't know that rape is wrong we've already failed as a society.

People know its wrong. What happens in American colleges seems to be a mixture assholes who know what they are doing and idiots who have an incredibly loose idea of consent(A HUGE problem).
Entertainment should not be having more affect on an adult than news, warning posters telling them to now break the law. These incidents are so common on trains because its still too easy to get away. Aside from scapegoating, its completely pointless to expect the porn or otaku related industries to react. You can blame it all you want, nothing will change there. Its the railroad companies that can actually stop this if they cared enough.

I think there's more to it than posters. Yes, they might know not to grope but when you internalize a culture where blatant sexism is the norm, you get a larger percent of men who think women exist for their own titillation.

Not saying there arent cultural issues.

 

[RMI]

What are the penalties for sexual assault in Japan? I know many of these cases never see justice, but for the ones that do are the punishment not harsh enough?

 

[Famassu]

Yeeeeeah, very much doubt porn/hentai is the issue and more the overall culture that is probably also at the core of most other sex/relationship related issues Japan is facing. Japan just isn't handling "normal" male-female -relationship stuff all that well altogether and stuff like these kinds of rape/molestation, low birthrate, young people incapable of normal relationships etc. are maybe so relatively common because of that.

 

[Ratrat]

What are the penalties for sexual assault in Japan? I know many of these cases never see justice, but for the ones that do are the punishment not harsh enough?

Sexual assault is kind of vague here. For the ones in trains it seems way lenient though.
Hopefully...
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ing-japans-archaic-sex-crime-laws-modern-era/

Though, given the culture here, most people who are caught will have their lives messed up pretty bad do the stigma of being a criminal.