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Re: PS3 "it will be expensive," - Kutaragi
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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sonycowboy said:
I don't think you can make an immediate correlation between demand and how much people would have been willing to pay. Maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have sold out. No one knows for sure. I know that this launch purchaser wouldn't have bought one had it cost 400 bucks, and I also thought the people paying more than retail on eBay were nuts.
The last few console releases have solidified a console release at $299 as the standard. If Xbox360 launches at that, PS3 can launch for no more. It's not like they can sell it for $399 and then lower the price in a couple of months after the newness wears thin. Sony can comment on how expensive the PS3 will be now, watch Microsoft play their hand, then adjust accordingly. Same for Nintendo, whom despite seemingly being in a parallel dimension when it comes to meeting the needs/wants of gamers, looks to possibly have a serious advange over the other into when it comes to price.Reilly said:
Well that depends on how studios handle blu-ray, imo. Take Tv series, for example, I have put off a lot of Tv series box sets in the hope that they will be available on ONE blu-ray disc. If studio put entire TV season/series, on one disc, it will be enough for people to make the plunge.dorio said:
michael000
Banned
Price wise the best thing that can happen to the PS3 is if the 360 launches at $299 (well not for sony but for the rest of us :lol). It's funny that i can afford this stuff now and really shouldn't care but i guess age puts dollar amounts more into perspective heh. I can much more easily justify spending a grand (what i'm likely to spend on PS3 + 360) towards a new motorcycle or a jetski than gaming consoles.
That being said though even if 360 launches at $299 and the PS3 launches at noticably more ($350+) i still don't think it will outsell the PS3. It will come close to splitting the market though which would be just as huge loss for sony. Gonna be interesting to see how much arrogance Sony has when it comes to the PS3 stateside, the US market isn't JP where they have no competition whatsoever.
That being said though even if 360 launches at $299 and the PS3 launches at noticably more ($350+) i still don't think it will outsell the PS3. It will come close to splitting the market though which would be just as huge loss for sony. Gonna be interesting to see how much arrogance Sony has when it comes to the PS3 stateside, the US market isn't JP where they have no competition whatsoever.
Wow everyone is talking about launch week like that matters in the long run. Sure Sony could release 500,000 PS3s at $500 and yes they would most likely sell out the first day. But you honestly think PS3 sales would stick with a price tag that high? 360 would be out selling it in a couple months.
I plan on getting a PS3, but not a release model at $500+.
I plan on getting a PS3, but not a release model at $500+.
mashoutposse
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Dr_Cogent said:
???
I was offered $500 for mine as I was walking out of Best Buy with one on launch day. The eBay frenzy for PS2 (and the rush in general) was ridiculous and lasted for months.
sonycowboy
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
Duh.
95% of people who bought it actually wanted it and thus didn't sell it. The question is what was the demand, and given the shortages and the $1,000 Ebay prices, the demand was intense.
Please stop trying to argue what was well known fact.
How many people were willing to pay $1,000 would have been tiny, but the number of people who would have been willing to pay $350 or $400 would have been incredible. It's an undeterminable number is any case.
sonycowboy said:
And you know this how?
Were there scientific polls conducted?
Maybe it would have been. No one knows for sure. I know I wouldn't be paying that along with others I know who bought the system on launch day.
cowboy,
I am a scientist and an engineer. The only thing I believe on faith is my God and that's it. Everything else requires proof.
sonycowboy
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mrklaw said:
There was an article out that said a HUGE number of titles of the Sony / MGM library would be out day 1. I would expect a huge launch.
Especially, and this is a question I have, if HD-DVD really launches this November. Has anyone heard an update? There was a huge slowdown because of the AACS not being finalized, but that looks to be moving along finally. I'll be surprised if they can actually make the November date, but I think they're pretty committed to it.
Calidor said:
I know you're not serious about that, but just in case you are...
Sega was pretty much dead in the water when PS2 launched.
Do you not think Microsoft is going to spend an ungodly amount of marketing money on their own console when PS3 launches? Halo 3, a cheaper price, price cut on the system is a possibility- but unlikely, tv ads, movie ads, viral marketing, you name it. Sega had NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to put out there and try to stop the PS2 juggernaut. Sega was in its final days as a console manufacturer.
Guy LeDouche
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It can effect publisher decisions, though. GC got left out in the cold on multiple titlesdorio said:
Um, we're talking about movies/tv hereGuy LeDouche said:
Personally, having TV sets on one disk would definitely make me more likely to buy them. Its an aspect of high density disks I hadn't previously thought of. I imagine studios will be reluctant to do this though as they currently make a lot of money by releasing series on multiple disks.
Kutaragi is beginning to scare me. I really hope he is kidding,I really do. I can afford a 400 dollar console,but I don' think I'd want it *that bad*...not for 400 dollars,plus taxes,plus 60 dollar games yet. I guess I must be getting older because in the old days I'd be looking forward to the lanch,now I'm beginning to $$$cringe$$$. I realize its only 100 more,but hearing that it could go for that much more bothers me,especally with today's console durability. You also have to add in a 2 year service plan yet,damn.
dorio said:
You're looking at it backwards, BRD being built into the PS3 is not a big reason to buy it unless you already have a HD. Sony will be looking at it like a trojan horse. People will buy the PS3 on brand recognition and the back library. Then as more and more people get HD tv's they will realize "Oh hey, I have a BRD player in my PS3 player already, lets buy some BRD movies!"
radioheadrule83
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I am never going to pay more than £299 for a new console. Ever.
Personally, having TV sets on one disk would definitely make me more likely to buy them. Its an aspect of high density disks I hadn't previously thought of. SANGREAL
Not if they package them at the resolution most of them are shot in now which is 1080p/24 or even the broadcast spec of 1080i.
Not if they package them at the resolution most of them are shot in now which is 1080p/24 or even the broadcast spec of 1080i.
I spent $630 after tax when I got my PS2 (System + Games (4) + second controller + remote control + memory card), if I can only buy two or three launch PS3 games I won't be crying myself to sleep.
However, I think its a jump to premature speculation. The hardware isn't that much further ahead than the X360, which will be less than $400 and will include a hard drive. The PS3 will be priced competatively with the X360, Sony knows thats what really matters. If it leads to the PS3 selling as a cheaper Blu-Ray option with no recording that only helps Sony cement their next gen video format. Locking up the next gen media as well as making a strong push against the X360 would financially off-set an aweful lot of per unit losses for Sony.
However, I think its a jump to premature speculation. The hardware isn't that much further ahead than the X360, which will be less than $400 and will include a hard drive. The PS3 will be priced competatively with the X360, Sony knows thats what really matters. If it leads to the PS3 selling as a cheaper Blu-Ray option with no recording that only helps Sony cement their next gen video format. Locking up the next gen media as well as making a strong push against the X360 would financially off-set an aweful lot of per unit losses for Sony.
..pakbeka..
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kutaragi says that as if it's something to be proud of... oh those weird japanese
..pakbeka.. said:
Well, don't really get that, especially something out of context. I will say i'm proud of my PSP though. I spent good money on it, got alot of features I wanted and I do not treat it like a toy. It FEELS expensive. In the PS3's case I know it will feel expensive just from whats in it, on the other hand though I know how much of a loss Sony is taking per console so it also makes feel like I got a good deal on a car or something.
If MS has a $350 bundle, Sony might well launch PS3 at that price. More than that? I doubt it. Maybe in Japan, though. But whatever the case, like the PSP, I will not fork over my cash for a penny over $300. It's the principle of it, really. Game consoles are $300. If they want to lose a lot of customers to the 360 (which will have EA and now some decent Japanese support), then they are welcome to charge a retarded price for it. But the PS2 won with inferior graphics and functionality. That means fuck all for gaming. PEACE.
..pakbeka..
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Ponn01 said:
well, I would only use a ps3 for gaming, and eventually a blu-ray player, but I wonder how long it will take for it to become popular, and I won't buy my dvd collection again on blu-ray and I'm sure they will be more expensive than normal dvds for both purchase and rental. So, I think they should just release a budget version of the ps3, to decrease their losses, since I'm sure most peopel would rather buy that one
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