Yautja_Warrior
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Not even close.
Real talk is Kanye West the best rapper of all time?
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PartTimeWarrior
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I don't think he's the "greatest" but he was the total package (up until 808 came out and his work went downhill in quality)
Hasphat'sAnts
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"Gone" is really flames tho
Frozenprince
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Idek how the most hardcore of his Stan's can even argue him being the goat on a technical skills level when he's not just on the table.
He's just alright as a rapper. His flow, delivery, style and verse structure aren't anything terribly creative or exceptional.
He's just alright as a rapper. His flow, delivery, style and verse structure aren't anything terribly creative or exceptional.
Aizen.S.Kennedy
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Nope. He isn't the top In any of the categories you listed except for accolades and jay z had 17 Grammys to his 22. Not a huge difference imo. Plus he is so low in categories you decided to leave out( for obvious reasons) so nah b.
Frozenprince
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Ell oh ell
IrishNinja
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if by "downhill' you mean "standout album that along with little brother & prior efforts literally helped create a lane for drake & co" then yeah 808s sure was downhill
most hip hop artists wish their first real experimental effort could be nearly that downhill, and all because of amber...phew
i know it sounds funny but i used to make that argument too - graduation was his pre TLOP low point, which up to 2015 put him up there with the roots in my book
i love DOOM but that dude graduated summa cum laude from the snoop school of make a few badass albums and then coast for the next decade or two
like consistency isn't my highest virtue in an MC but it's up there, its why dudes like Ghost are top 10 for me
Good point. List some artist with more impressive discogs mate.
prelude514
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Fake talk he sure is
dont really care about the bars that flow and beat is 👌
Frozenprince
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Aizen.S.Kennedy
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Haha. His past 2 albums have been terrible hip hop albums. I love 808s but the hip hop community is so-so on it. Going song for song id put up 2pac/ the roots/wu-tang/Ghost face/jay z/ nas discography ahead of his.
Hey if it's any consolation Kanye and Eminem are tied..
Brian Fellows
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He's not in the top 1000. The rapping granny was better.
There was a time when he was probably one of the most exiting American artists period. As a rapper, he ain't 2pac or Biggie, but he was always more than just a rapper so it evens out. Might be past his time though TBH, dunno. His most recent album felt more like he was settling down into a style based on all his previous stuff and he kinda went off the rails. Can't rule out a comeback though. Bit for now seems like Kendrick Lamar, Run the Jewels and Drake are arguably the best.
IrishNinja
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you're much more prepared for our trap-dominated present than i fam
let's break this down to molecules
Hov - should've stayed retired at black ablum, would've been a GOAT discog
american gangster stands out as "NOT AS BAD AS THE OTHERS" as a result
Nas - you can mostly disregard everything after gods son/lost tapes '02 era right up to Life is Good and most of us wouldn't notice...and i love that dude
Pac - top 10 but nobody revisits more than half of 2pacaplyse & Strictly 4, arguably one of the finest Greatest Hits artists of all time due to having too many weed carriers on his later shit
Tribe - okay yeah, beats & rhymes was the only misstep for me and that still had tracks
PE - one of the absolute greats but this is still a strange argument to make, i really feel like i should finally hit up man plans, god laughs or whatever before continuing though
odd to leave off roots & ghostface but still, you're naming top 10 MC's without the most consistent discographies (understandable due to length of their careers/changing times etc) but still. it's like, i love the shit out of LL, Busta & the like but you're not gonna hear their names in a consistency discussion, you know?
you really don't wanna go down the road of people rappers associate with though
Em is like one of the only top 10 (for most folks, anyway) MC's with a harder 2nd half dropoff than jigga though
Jay - 3 great albums and a whole lot of trash
Nas - Lmao have you listened to half of his albums?
UGK - Loads of great albums but nothing on Kanye's best
Pac - I'm crying
Tribe - There's an argument to made here for sure
PE - Not even close
There are so many terrible albums from the artists you just listed it's not even funny. Kanye's worst album defined an entire generation of hip hop.
Try again.
torre_avenue
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Yeezy slander will not be tolerated.
Praise Ye in all his Gildan glory.
Praise Ye for his foresight by meeting the next President #2024.
Praise Ye for showing us poor uncultured masses true art in the form of ripped clothes and gothic lettering.
YEEZY YEEZY YEEZY JUST JUMPED OVER JUMPMAN.
Praise Ye in all his Gildan glory.
Praise Ye for his foresight by meeting the next President #2024.
Praise Ye for showing us poor uncultured masses true art in the form of ripped clothes and gothic lettering.
YEEZY YEEZY YEEZY JUST JUMPED OVER JUMPMAN.
If I fuck this model
And she just bleached her asshole
And I get bleach on my T-shirt
Imma feel like an asshole
Yeah, Kanye is probably my favourite artist but he is not a great rapper, a lot of the time he isn't even a good one. In recent years a lot of his best songs have pushed rap to the background (Blood on the Leaves, ULB, Lost in the World etc) to focus on what he's better at, production and general songwriting.
And she just bleached her asshole
And I get bleach on my T-shirt
Imma feel like an asshole
Yeah, Kanye is probably my favourite artist but he is not a great rapper, a lot of the time he isn't even a good one. In recent years a lot of his best songs have pushed rap to the background (Blood on the Leaves, ULB, Lost in the World etc) to focus on what he's better at, production and general songwriting.
theignoramus
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Its easier when you make songs by committee with the best writers and producers in the genre. No disrespect to Ye, but thats a key part of his success, he's an amazing curator of music.
Yeezus is a terrible hip hop album. I've heard it all. I know it's cool to hate Kanye and all but wow. Ghostface and Roots are both really strong arguments.
IrishNinja
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aint dont shit noteworthy past madvillainy (i enjoyed that adult swim shit too) and his production is hit or miss man
like i respect the ambition behind remixing 36 chambers but that wasn't great by me. 9th wonder on god's son hit nicer than that. go through all 84 or whatever volumes of herbal beats & come back with that
it's like dudes citing madlb as a top 10 producer cause you've only heard his hits, the man stank the joint up for literally years there between those
i totally get people not liking it, it just resonated for me. new slaves banged, hold my liquor and even bang 2 were nice, and honestly if TLOP had even one track nearly as good as blood on the leaves i'dve fucked with it. i'm super wary of sampling someone nearly as good as nina simone but that last autotune minute or so, that shit was fire.
Only Kanye thinks that lol. Maybe some fans do too. But to be fair, he is sort of a polymath in artistic expression. Hot fashion line, directing some of the most lavish music videos, his multi screen cinematic experiment, he produces, he raps, etc. Paul McCartney thinks highly of him. As do many of the most influential writers, musicians, artists, filmmakers, etc. Werner Herzog praised his video for Famous. I mean, not sure how blown away he was because his compliments pretty much culminated with him just saying he would invite him to study at his film school, but he was clearly impressed nonetheless and had nothing but positive things to say.
Smooth Operator
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Kanye didn't made Bout it Bout it aka the real national anthem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZEjKf4gBJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZEjKf4gBJw
2pac was one of the most exiting American artists too, but he wasn't an amazing rapper. Technically speaking, Biggie was 10 times better.
theignoramus
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Theres an argument to be made for Kanye as the best hip hop artist of all time cause of the strength of his albums and the musical craftsmanship behind them, but if we're evaluating him on the basis of flows and lyrics, hes not making any GOAT MC lists.
and im out 👋✌️
Frozenprince
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Biggie told stories when he went in.
Honestly. It's one of the few genuinely brilliant hip hop records of the past 5 years.
FeenixRising
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Yeezus is a recycle bin classic.
Piston Hyundai
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there's more to being a rapper than just making your music sound good
an amazing beat can only take you so far when you're rapping about eating asian pussy with sweet and sour sauce
also master p fucking sucks
an amazing beat can only take you so far when you're rapping about eating asian pussy with sweet and sour sauce
also master p fucking sucks
Troubled Bat
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Not even...
it gets better with age
Frozenprince
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Theres way more depth to the game thank making the hot 100.
When you say rapper people are going to take it mean the actual skill of rapping, and no, Kanye ain't even in the top 10.
However, hip-hop artist? Dude is arguably number 1, and at the very least in the top 3. What other hip-hop artist has as strong of a discography as Yeezy? Not many, especially 7 excellent albums
However, hip-hop artist? Dude is arguably number 1, and at the very least in the top 3. What other hip-hop artist has as strong of a discography as Yeezy? Not many, especially 7 excellent albums
Bounceounce
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No.
But I hate when someone says this because people rush in to talk about how history production is everything and his lyrics suck, when just because he isn't the best rapper of all time doesn't mean he doesn't have killer punchlines and doesn't mean his lyrics aren't fantastic and half of what makes his songs.
But I hate when someone says this because people rush in to talk about how history production is everything and his lyrics suck, when just because he isn't the best rapper of all time doesn't mean he doesn't have killer punchlines and doesn't mean his lyrics aren't fantastic and half of what makes his songs.
He was a talented actor and a poet, true. I dunno, Biggie obviously had a more natural, unique talent as an MC, but are his music+lyrics as ambitious as Pac's? And it's not like Pac couldn't flow, he had tons of skill there too.
It's a very heavy statement to make. You have to wait to see if his works outlive his popularity. Lot's of people come and go and are extremely popular in their time yet we'd never know their name these days. Kanye might be one of them, or he might not, remains to be seen yet. I will concede that he's got a good shot at it at least, to be one of the greats ("greatest" is just a stupid claim to attach to anyone).
SolidChamp
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Yeah. This.
WTF, how is this even up for discussion?
Dude will NEVER, EVER be in the same conversation as the GOAT. Jesus.
Bounceounce
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Jay's discography would be much worse without American Gangster.
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