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Dural

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My wife's cousin called her yesterday to tell her that her 13yo daughter had been being molested by her 16yo son (full siblings) for the last three years. I guess they were on vacation and the mom had looked at her daughters phone and found some weird things, she questioned her and she broke down and told her what had been going on. The brother and dad aren't with and she doesn't know what she's going to do. Her daughter said she won't go home when they get back and the only place she wants to stay is with me and my wife, for whatever reason she feels safe at our house. I don't know what the hell she should do about the 16yo either, the kid is obviously fucked in the head, but do you go to the police? Who do you get hold of with something like this?
 
Hes still a minor so I'm not sure what would even happen if you called the cops. I wish your family all the best but I think there needs to be some phone calls to find a family counselor immediately.
 

Dural

Member
Yeah, already getting hold of counselors. The mom and daughter aren't going to be back for a few days, then the shit will hit the fan. Nobody else in the family knows, I needed to talk about it and my only coworker knows the family so I couldn't talk to him.
 

bender

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Yeah, already getting hold of counselors. The mom and daughter aren't going to be back for a few days, then the shit will hit the fan. Nobody else in the family knows, I needed to talk about it and my only coworker knows the family so I couldn't talk to him.

What state are you in?
 

eot

Banned
Fuck man, I wouldn't know how to deal with a situation like that, but staying at your place is probably a good idea. You can isolate her from this whole mess.
 

Blond

Banned
Fuck man, I wouldn't know how to deal with a situation like that, but staying at your place is probably a good idea. You can isolate her from this whole mess.

This is really good advice so don't take it lightly. Good chance long as you prove you can keep her isolated she just ends up with you and the state might even pay you some cash for the trouble (Happens sometimes) monthly while she's in your care to help with expenses.
 
Have them call CPS, the police too if they feel it is appropriate.

Even being a minor, he can get in some big trouble depending on the circumstances (Did he threaten her? Penetrate? etc).

LOTS AND LOTS OF FUCKING THERAPY. For all involved. Start NOW, don't wait for it to become court ordered. A lot of times the court will allow you to keep seeing the person if you've built a relationship, instead of using their court appointed person (though not always).
 

Max_Po

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kingbean

Member
I don't know how anyone can react to this with anything other than rage.

13-16 year old boy molesting a 10-13 year old girl. That's just fucking gross and evil. He knew what he was doing and deserves punishment and I guess therapy.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I don't want to be dire but this isn't going to get easy anytime soon. The fact that you are willing to let other people who are trained and educated in the manner is a huge fucking step

I am actually a victim of sibling molestation and like with a lot of trauma facing it is truly the hardest part. The fact that it's out in the open now is obviously very odd but it's far better than it being couped up inside the victim only.

All you can do right now is listen and keep looking to help. It's a long, long, process that well require more time than you think for her to recover. Just have patience.
 
What I would like to know is how this was happening for such an extended period of time without nobody saying something. The daughter was no doubt threatened to be silent but I'm doubtful a male child could be that intimidating and didn't the mother notice something strange in terms of behaviour or physical evidence on the girl?
 
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Dural

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Yep.

Whats really crazy is that this isn’t a cousin that my wife is really close with, we see them maybe once a year. They were invited to our sons birthday in July and the 13yo asked to stay the night because she enjoyed it so much. I thought it was a little strange at the time as she didn’t seem like she was having a great time, now I know what was going on and she just wanted to be away. You go and look at pictures of her and you can see that something isn’t right. I feel so bad for her and what she’s had to go through, but I’m also wondering if something else is going on in this family. Why would her brother want to do what he did in the first place.

What’s also difficult is that we have four kids, with the youngest being two weeks old! My wife also had an emergency hysterectomy right after giving birth because she was hemorrhaging and lost more than 1/3 of her blood. She isn’t allowed to drive for 6-8 weeks because of the blood loss and her hemoglobin levels being so low and can barely get around. Maybe the teenager could help her out, idk.
 
I don't know how anyone can react to this with anything other than rage.

13-16 year old boy molesting a 10-13 year old girl. That's just fucking gross and evil. He knew what he was doing and deserves punishment and I guess therapy.

It's probably the tip of the iceberg, and there is likely more going on. People don't molest out of nowhere, especially at that age, especially in circumstances like this where it went on for years without anyone knowing and at such young ages. I'd bet good money there is an adult involved that molested one or both of these kids before the brother started doing it to his sister.
 
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Dural

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What I would like to know is how this was happening for such an extended period of time without nobody saying something. The daughter was no doubt threatened to be silent but I'm doubtful a male child could be that intimidating and didn't the mother notice something strange in terms of behaviour or physical evidence on the girl?

This is exactly what I was thinking, I feel like with my kids I’d know for sure if something was going on. That’s why I was saying I wonder if something else is also up with that family.
 
Yep.

Whats really crazy is that this isn’t a cousin that my wife is really close with, we see them maybe once a year. They were invited to our sons birthday in July and the 13yo asked to stay the night because she enjoyed it so much. I thought it was a little strange at the time as she didn’t seem like she was having a great time, now I know what was going on and she just wanted to be away. You go and look at pictures of her and you can see that something isn’t right. I feel so bad for her and what she’s had to go through, but I’m also wondering if something else is going on in this family. Why would her brother want to do what he did in the first place.

What’s also difficult is that we have four kids, with the youngest being two weeks old! My wife also had an emergency hysterectomy right after giving birth because she was hemorrhaging and lost more than 1/3 of her blood. She isn’t allowed to drive for 6-8 weeks because of the blood loss and her hemoglobin levels being so low and can barely get around. Maybe the teenager could help her out, idk.

Always be prepared that she may act out too, it screws them all up, and you need to be careful for your own kids. It doesn't always happen, but it needs to be in your mind. Doors open, no one in bathrooms at the same time, no group baths/etc.
 

Dural

Member
It's probably the tip of the iceberg, and there is likely more going on. People don't molest out of nowhere, especially at that age, especially in circumstances like this where it went on for years without anyone knowing and at such young ages. I'd bet good money there is an adult involved that molested one or both of these kids before the brother started doing it to his sister.

Exactly my thoughts. I don’t know how deep the rabbit hole goes, but my wife has told me some fucked up stuff about the grandmother.


Always be prepared that she may act out too, it screws them all up, and you need to be careful for your own kids. It doesn't always happen, but it needs to be in your mind. Doors open, no one in bathrooms at the same time, no group baths/etc.

Oh, absolutely. It was one of the first things that I was thinking about. She’s been through a lot and won’t be able to hold it all in forever.
 
Oh, absolutely. It was one of the first things that I was thinking about. She’s been through a lot and won’t be able to hold it all in forever.

Need to be able to commit to multiple therapy sessions a week (at least initially), then usually down to once a week hopefully. She is/was the victim, so the supervision on the other side will be even worse, but with having YOUNG kids in the house, it will be a real challenge to keep everyone monitored.

It sucks, there is no happy outcome, just surviving and getting through it will be a victory.
 
Get therapy as soon as possible and, as much as I'm sure you want to kill the little shit for what he's done, make sure the boy is treated as sick, rather than a criminal, at least until everyone has a better idea of what the hell has been going on and if there's any way to salvage anything from this.

The girl is obviously the victim here, and needs nothing but love and support, regardless of circumstances, but he's still a kid, especially when all this started, and even if he is fucking gross and retarded, shouldn't just be ostracised and treated as an irredeemable criminal.

There's a chance you can have some sort of relationship that can still be salvaged, and at the very least you should all attempt to prevent him from becoming a worse adult, or just to prevent yourselves possibly eventually feeling guilty for not trying to 'fix' him.

Or you could just kill him and make it look like an accident. I certainly wouldn't blame you.
 

Stouffers

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I wonder what kind of impact internet porn has had with all of this? I’m sure a 13-16 year old has had access.

When I was a kid/early teen, the shit we found in the woods and the closets of friends fathers was G-rated compared to the sick depraved mess that’s readily available today.
 
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Whataborman

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I wonder what kind of impact internet porn has had with all of this? I’m sure a 13-16 year old has had access.


It absolutely has to have an impact. There also seems to be a relatively large market for fake sibling porn. I've never understood that particular fetish but one visit to a site like Pornhub and there's no question that it's popular.

Dural Dural Depending on how involved with this you want to become, I would insist that the authorities were contacted before you let the girl stay at your house. You don't want to accidentally get yourself into a situation where the parents don't contact the authorities and the situation blows up later and you're caught in the crossfire. If there's some reluctance on the parent's part you can always contact them yourself.
 
I wonder what kind of impact internet porn has had with all of this? I’m sure a 13-16 year old has had access.

When I was a kid/early teen, the shit we found in the woods and the closets of friends fathers was G-rated compared to the sick depraved mess that’s readily available today.

I'm pretty anti porn but I still wouldn't blame it. You watch porn, you bust a nut or two, you then go play video games or do whatever else normal stuff cause it's out of your system.


Even if you watch sick porn for most people it's like television or anime or video games, just a fantasy that allows you to experience something or explore ideas when you watch it. There is a level of crossing another person's boundaries, and then trying to keep it secret and keeping them feeling like you have power over them that I don't think a boy that young could learn on his own.


This girl had a reason to think her parents wouldn't do anything. I think either the boy, the girl, or both were molested prior to this starting.
 
I'm pretty anti porn but I still wouldn't blame it. You watch porn, you bust a nut or two, you then go play video games or do whatever else normal stuff cause it's out of your system.


Even if you watch sick porn for most people it's like television or anime or video games, just a fantasy that allows you to experience something or explore ideas when you watch it. There is a level of crossing another person's boundaries, and then trying to keep it secret and keeping them feeling like you have power over them that I don't think a boy that young could learn on his own.


This girl had a reason to think her parents wouldn't do anything. I think either the boy, the girl, or both were molested prior to this starting.

It's not the same when the kids are watching it at 7, 8, 9 years old. Their minds are still forming, and seeing some of the fucked up shit on the internet can SERIOUSLY damage them going forward. Seeing a boob on TV for 10 seconds isn't the same as finding the internet porn world.. it never ends, and their mind likes it, but doesn't know how to process or regulate it in any kind of healthy way.
 
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kingbean

Member
Child molestation runs in my family.

I'm ending that cycle. Primarily by not being a fucking pedophile, but also because I don't plan on having kids.
 

BigBooper

Member
Good luck brother. That's rough. I don't know that you can figure it out until they talk with the boy. Not trying to defend him, but the situation and trauma will be completely different if it was voluntary or forced. Messed up either way, of course.
 
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It's not the same when the kids are watching it at 7, 8, 9 years old. Their minds are still forming, and seeing some of the fucked up shit on the internet can SERIOUSLY damage them going forward. Seeing a boob on TV for 10 seconds isn't the same as finding the internet porn world.. it never ends, and their mind likes it, but doesn't know how to process or regulate it in any kind of healthy way.

Okay if that is all there is to it why didn't she go to her parents before this? How did this go on for 3 years without anyone walking in on them?



As far as I understand it, a fairly large portion of people who have sex with kids had the same thing done to them and they are now reenacting the trauma in a position that makes them feel powerful rather than as a victim. Now instead of it being some bizarre thing that happens to them it seems like a normal part of life now that they have done the same, and then the cycle repeats with a new generation. They end viewing child molestation as a normal part of development. At least that's the kind of explanation I've seen about why some many child molesters were molested as kids.
 
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Okay if that is all there is to it why didn't she go to her parents before this? How did this go on for 3 years without anyone walking in on them?

There are any number of reasons. Maybe she was threatened? Maybe she was led to believe she would get in trouble if she told. Maybe she was convinced it was really HER FAULT. Hell, maybe she thought it was fun initially? They're children, with easily molded minds. You can bet the parents are asking themselves why she didn't feel comfortable coming to them every minute of every day right now. Is it a possibility one of the parents abused them too? Sure, and CPS will look into that as well, but I don't see anything in the story to lead down that path and accuse the (already hurting) parents of something so vile.
 
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There are any number of reasons. Maybe she was threatened? Maybe she was led to believe she would get in trouble if she told. Maybe she was convinced it was really HER FAULT. Hell, maybe she thought it was fun initially? They're children, with easily molded minds. You can bet the parents are asking themselves why she didn't feel comfortable coming to them every minute of every day right now. Is it a possibility one of the parents abused them too? Sure, and CPS will look into that as well, but I don't see anything in the story to lead down that path and accuse the (already hurting) parents of something so vile.

It started when he was 13 and she was 10. I have a hard time believing that both of them kept their mouths shut and didn't get caught this whole time, and that a 13 year year old boy would know what to do or say to make this happen and keep it quit for this long.


Also, I just don't believe that nothing bad happens to a kid other than watching porn and they wake up one day and are like "I'm gonna molest my sister," and then afterwards keeps it going for years and doesn't listen to her when she says no. Something happened to that kid more than him seeing some incest porn.
 
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This is exactly what I was thinking, I feel like with my kids I’d know for sure if something was going on. That’s why I was saying I wonder if something else is also up with that family.
Plot twist: The mother was banging the son whilst the daughter watched. Keep it in the family.
 
It started when he was 13 and she was 10. I have a hard time believing that both of them kept their mouths shut and didn't get caught this whole time, and that a 13 year year old boy would know what to do or say to make this happen and keep it quit for this long.

Also, I just don't believe that nothing bad happens to a kid other than watching porn and they wake up one day and are like "I'm gonna molest my sister," and then afterwards keeps it going for years and doesn't listen to her when she says no. Something happened to that kid more than him seeing some incest porn.

OP doesn't say they were having wild crazy times. It was likely something that happened periodically over a period of years. Really to make any kind of determination you'd need a lot more detail that isn't appropriate for a message board.

"Incest" step-sister sex is like.. all the fucking rage these days because who knows why. I don't think it's outside of the realm of reality to think an impressionable kid got hooked on porn and wanted to mimic what he saw on screen. 13 year old boys are all fucked up inside with hormones on a good day.
 
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Dural

Member
If the parents don’t report it, we definitely will. We were just taking about that possibility.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
I went on a tour of the Sex Offender rehabilitation center back in college. In the morning, the offenders would sit in their chairs while each person would go up front. Each of them describing their crimes and it all initially began with them being molested or trying stuff they found online. I remember one guy (probably mid 20’s) started looking at kiddy stuff before seeking out his victim. It’s incredibly disturbing and it sounds almost impossible to overcome. I believe in strong people and overcoming obstacles. You just have to take the best course of action.

I knew a guy a while back who was molested by his sibling for 6 years. He got a divorce from his wife, but even when we knew him he had some mental breakdowns. One time we were asked to watch the kids because she needed to take him to in-patient therapy. I don’t wish that on anyone.
 

bitbydeath

Gold Member
Always be prepared that she may act out too, it screws them all up, and you need to be careful for your own kids. It doesn't always happen, but it needs to be in your mind. Doors open, no one in bathrooms at the same time, no group baths/etc.

THIS!
You gotta be careful bringing this stuff home as you don’t know the full story even though you may think she is innocent and a victim that may not be the case at all.

Better to leave it to the professionals especially if you were never close with them.
 

daveonezero

Banned
If the parents don’t report it, we definitely will. We were just taking about that possibility.
Better yet go to a lawyer or special therapist. Don't go to the state. those professions are obligated by law to report these cases.
That way you will disclose it in the best way. They will know what to do and how to get you help.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
There are any number of reasons. Maybe she was threatened? Maybe she was led to believe she would get in trouble if she told. Maybe she was convinced it was really HER FAULT. Hell, maybe she thought it was fun initially? They're children, with easily molded minds. You can bet the parents are asking themselves why she didn't feel comfortable coming to them every minute of every day right now. Is it a possibility one of the parents abused them too? Sure, and CPS will look into that as well, but I don't see anything in the story to lead down that path and accuse the (already hurting) parents of something so vile.
It started when he was 13 and she was 10. I have a hard time believing that both of them kept their mouths shut and didn't get caught this whole time, and that a 13 year year old boy would know what to do or say to make this happen and keep it quit for this long.


Also, I just don't believe that nothing bad happens to a kid other than watching porn and they wake up one day and are like "I'm gonna molest my sister," and then afterwards keeps it going for years and doesn't listen to her when she says no. Something happened to that kid more than him seeing some incest porn.

Speaking as a victim, Captain is 100 percent right here.
 
Speaking as a victim, Captain is 100 percent right here.

So how did this 13 year old kid know what to say?


But okay, assuming I'm wrong and that porn is more harmful than I think it is, where are all the people demanding we ban or severely restrict, or censor in some way porn? Even among the highly religious it's usually just "Hey guys, we need to stop watching porn, it's not going to help you learn how to love your future wife, instead focus on some useful skills." I regularly listen to Catholic content that is very anti-porn, why are the people that as far as I am aware on the frontline of this not making these claims?


The attitudes I'm seeing in this topic about the dangers of pornography are more extreme than anything I've ever heard inside of a church. I just don't get it, if even a decent portion of the population has the views I'm seeing expressed, we should have a legit anti-porn movement in this country that actually has some political clout, if that exists I'm not aware of it.
 
So how did this 13 year old kid know what to say?


But okay, assuming I'm wrong and that porn is more harmful than I think it is, where are all the people demanding we ban or severely restrict, or censor in some way porn? Even among the highly religious it's usually just "Hey guys, we need to stop watching porn, it's not going to help you learn how to love your future wife, instead focus on some useful skills." I regularly listen to Catholic content that is very anti-porn, why are the people that as far as I am aware on the frontline of this not making these claims?


The attitudes I'm seeing in this topic about the dangers of pornography are more extreme than anything I've ever heard inside of a church. I just don't get it, if even a decent portion of the population has the views I'm seeing expressed, we should have a legit anti-porn movement in this country that actually has some political clout, if that exists I'm not aware of it.

Porn being dangerous to everyone? No. Porn being dangerous to children, especially under 13? Absolutely. Realistically there is not a ton of data yet, because internet porn has really only become a readily available pornhub buffet within the last 10 years or so, even then, a couple years back you had to somewhat 'search' for a porn site that wasn't looking to charge you to see stuff. Now, it's just everywhere. Google images will show you porn! B!NG (and it's done) has porn! Europeans have had a very lax view on nudity for.. ever it seems.. and they're mostly ok (a little European but oh well). Like I said, seeing a titty isn't going to turn little bobby into a ranging incestuous rapist. However, what kids do these days is SOMEONE sees porn, either find it on accident, maybe they use a computer or iPad that someone in the house was using and left porn on, they see it, and go WHOA WHAT IS THIS. If they're under 10, they really have very little idea what they're watching, but human bodies being human bodies.. they're going to LIKE IT. Maybe they tell their parents? Probably not (because we're all taught sex and stuff is bad in the US), so they keep it a secret, sneak away to look at it, not all the time, but enough. Eventually (because parents think, oh little Bobby is 9 he just loves playing Minecraft for hours on end!) they want to watch new stuff, WEIRD stuff, hardcore stuff, etc. They don't even have a 'type' yet, they've never seen any of this before, but they like it (they love it) and want more of it. Eventually it screw with their real life relationships, as they start to want to date girls their age but are expecting them to be pornstars, OR they don't date because girls that age ARENT porn stars.. they try experimenting on siblings or pets, as those are the closest or easiest prey. It's a damn slipper slope, and is very easily flies under the radar because 'normal' parents don't even fathom that their kid would be doing such a thing.

As I said before, abuse by someone else is always a possibility and they're not mutually exclusive. Perhaps said abuser turned the kid onto porn? It was 'their little secret'/etc. Abusers are insidious.

Really at the end of the day, at this point you are where you are. Pointing fingers only gets you so far, especially if there isn't clear evidence one way or another. They have to get the kids both therapy, get the parents and all family/friends/support network on the same page, and make a plan going forward. Eventually hopefully years down the road they can have a family dinner all together again, but don't plan on it. Victims 'recover' at different rates, and for someone that young she's likely going to have issues pop up as she goes through puberty, when she finds her first boyfriend, when someone wants to touch her romantically.. even if she wants too as well, it'll feel wrong. When she gets married, has children.. it's now a lifelong burden she has to deal with. Therapy soon, therapy often is essential.

I know.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
So how did this 13 year old kid know what to say?


But okay, assuming I'm wrong and that porn is more harmful than I think it is, where are all the people demanding we ban or severely restrict, or censor in some way porn? Even among the highly religious it's usually just "Hey guys, we need to stop watching porn, it's not going to help you learn how to love your future wife, instead focus on some useful skills." I regularly listen to Catholic content that is very anti-porn, why are the people that as far as I am aware on the frontline of this not making these claims?


The attitudes I'm seeing in this topic about the dangers of pornography are more extreme than anything I've ever heard inside of a church. I just don't get it, if even a decent portion of the population has the views I'm seeing expressed, we should have a legit anti-porn movement in this country that actually has some political clout, if that exists I'm not aware of it.

I don't think you realize what you are asking there. At least the scope of it.

I am by no means am expert on this topic and can only speak from my experiences and what I have seen. Also before I say much more I want to pulling out anti porn movements are very much a thing. They actually got a resurgence during the start of Me too but like with many topics like this, such as anti alcohol, they are lost due to the public not paying attention to something that doesn't affect them.

Porn in nature is not a negative thing to many but what constitutes as "acceptable" is very much up for debate. But I liken to something like alcohol which very much has negative side effects on many people.

Adults can use porn is a positive way. A child, I find it hard to find positive ways for porn to be used. Especially considering how it's framed in the subject of the content. But like alcohol, its acceptable for adults even though it has so many negative things associated as well.

Tons of people are killed by it directly and indirectly every year. My father killed himself before he was 30 and literally destroyed his liver with alcohol. But like with porn you don't see people rallying all over to have it removed. Thats because it's so ingrained into the community for many that it's just not something that's going to change. We have accepted it. We know it's mostly bad but too many people enjoy it and make money off of it to have it go away.

Porn is similar. There's an entire industry built around it. Is nature is in sexual activity which is something that is physically impossible to stop humans from interacting with unless you are taking extremely drastic measures. It's not going to go away. It's a fight that not many will even attempt to tackle. People know some of it bad and minors shouldn't have access to it but like with alcohol it's too common to be able to hide it.

The problems stems from access to it and the public's willingness to look the other way. Parents are still treating it as minor things and would rather not talk about it after it's been discovered. They think if they remove the source the damage it also removed. But that's just not how it works.

Such easy access to it has also been linked to things being reported at much higher rates such as incest and sexual abuse. There's a correlation that is pretty hard to deny.

But to get to your question about why places like churches and folk that attend them not fighting against it more if it's so bad? Again, I don't think you understand the scope of what you are asking.

I could easily flip that around and say ask why humans aren't fighting back and being outraged against obesity and alcohol?

It all stems from knowledge. That knowledge and information has just now recently started to come to light about these things in the past 20 years or so about the harmful effects that porn can have. Until the information has spread to enough people and they choose to pay attention to it, the movements that do happen will continue to be small.
 
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I don't think you realize what you are asking there. At least the scope of it.

I am by no means am expert on this topic and can only speak from my experiences and what I have seen. Also before I say much more I want to pulling out anti porn movements are very much a thing. They actually got a resurgence during the start of Me too but like with many topics like this, such as anti alcohol, they are lost due to the public not paying attention to something that doesn't affect them.

Porn in nature is not a negative thing to many but what constitutes as "acceptable" is very much up for debate. But I liken to something like alcohol which very much has negative side effects on many people.

Adults can use porn is a positive way. A child, I find it hard to find positive ways for porn to be used. Especially considering how it's framed in the subject of the content. But like alcohol, its acceptable for adults even though it has so many negative things associated as well.

Tons of people are killed by it directly and indirectly every year. My father killed himself before he was 30 and literally destroyed his liver with alcohol. But like with porn you don't see people rallying all over to have it removed. Thats because it's so ingrained into the community for many that it's just not something that's going to change. We have accepted it. We know it's mostly bad but too many people enjoy it and make money off of it to have it go away.

Porn is similar. There's an entire industry built around it. Is nature is in sexual activity which is something that is physically impossible to stop humans from interacting with unless you are taking extremely drastic measures. It's not going to go away. It's a fight that not many will even attempt to tackle. People know some of it bad and minors shouldn't have access to it but like with alcohol it's too common to be able to hide it.

The problems stems from access to it and the public's willingness to look the other way. Parents are still treating it as minor things and would rather not talk about it after it's been discovered. They think if they remove the source the damage it also removed. But that's just not how it works.

Such easy access to it has also been linked to things being reported at much higher rates such as incest and sexual abuse. There's a correlation that is pretty hard to deny.

But to get to your question about why places like churches and folk that attend them not fighting against it more if it's so bad? Again, I don't think you understand the scope of what you are asking.

I could easily flip that around and say ask why humans aren't fighting back and being outraged against obesity and alcohol?

It all stems from knowledge. That knowledge and information has just now recently started to come to light about these things in the past 20 years or so about the harmful effects that porn can have. Until the information has spread to enough people and they choose to pay attention to it, the movements that do happen will continue to be small.

I'm not asking why churches don't fight more against it, I'm asking why aren't they making this argument. I think if you spread this message, one that I've never heard before, then you could actually make progress in at least censoring or restricting access to porn. The argument I'm talking about is that if like alcohol a certain percentage of teens or adolescants discover porn at an early age they will lose control. Like alcohol most people are fine but a small amount of people will abuse it, and among them a small amount will completely lose control. If this was widely understood as a possibility, I think you'd have rules restricting incest porn or otherwise at least requiring strict age verification for porn.
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm not asking why churches don't fight more against it, I'm asking why aren't they making this argument. I think if you spread this message, one that I've never heard before, then you could actually make progress in at least censoring or restricting access to porn. The argument I'm talking about is that if like alcohol a certain percentage of teens or adolescants discover porn at an early age they will lose control. Like alcohol most people are fine but a small amount of people will abuse it, and among them a small amount will completely lose control. If this was widely understood as a possibility, I think you'd have rules restricting incest porn or otherwise at least requiring strict age verification for porn.

I would concur with you. Knowledge is power in this instance but again this is really only a recent thing so the reprocussions are not well known yet to the mass. I would love to see some type of regulation on this matter but realistically I don't feel as if my story and experiences will change anything.

Change will require victims to speak out a lot more and if I am being honest I will likely never speak out about it in a way that would be public facing. I'm not ready to face that. People like my mother and grandmother would be absolutely mortified and I am not ready to see that happen to them. Maybe I am part of the problem by not speaking up but I'm just not at that place in my recovery and I'd be lying if I said I ever will be at that place.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
wouldnt be surprised if there was another link in this (IE someone molesting the boy). but, good luck. its going to be a mess
 

Compsiox

Banned
This happened to a friend of mine although it started and ended when they were younger than this.

His brother got molested by an older friend, then his brother started molesting him. My friend and his brother seem to be doing well these days
 
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