Panthalassic
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I'd heard about NGE before, but I didn't actually watch it until after I saw Toonami Aftermath's showing of 1.0.
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Rebuild of Evangelion is ten years old today
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lukeskymac
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Get the hell out. Rebuild Ramiel is what a 12-year old would imagine an Angel. Unnecessary CG bullshit all over the place just because they can.
The anime *is* Evangelion (as is EoE). The Rebuilds are a souless, carboard caricature of what Eva really is. People who bang up only on 3.0 clearly weren't paying enough attention - the bad stuff came as early as 1.0.
Napalm_Frank
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So if I'm not too familiar with the series should I watch the original show or these remake movies?
Radiant Silvertuna
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Someone please reissue the original series by the time my kids are old enough to appreciate it.
sleverfunk
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2.0 is my fav. The ending scene plus the music followed by utada hikaru is so good.
iRAWRasaurus
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I feel old now...
Watch the original. 1.0 is basically cramming in the first six episodes of the TV series and 2.0 goes to about 20-21 before doing it's own thing if I recall correctly. Been awhile since I sat down with 2.0.
3.0, as has been mentioned many times, is just a goddamn mess with a fantastic soundtrack.
That and the rebuild movies don't even compare to the original. It forgets everything that made the original a classic.
Chairmanchuck
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I remember when Anno said that every year one movie of Rebuild should come out.
A 12 year old's imagination of an Eva Angel would be a faceless, screaming geometrical construct?
You must know some pretty weird 12 year olds. Next you're gonna tell me Leliel is too generic or something.
MotionBlue
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I watched Eva when it first aired on TV.
I watched movies when I was in college.
I hope I can watch the ending before I die.
I watched movies when I was in college.
I hope I can watch the ending before I die.
The launch of the AAA Wunder is the best cinema moment I never had. Wish they showed 3.0 in cinema here 
https://youtu.be/Rg_AcKuBDu0
https://youtu.be/Rg_AcKuBDu0
Killer Queen
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Love the first two
Aggressively hate the third.
Aggressively hate the third.
Chuckie
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The charging of the Sniper Rifle was much cooler in the original series though.
This. So much. Is it so hard to just talk to each other or at least explain to Shinji what's going on?
I guess I can understand if they were going for "humans have problems talking to each other honestly" but there wasn't proper set up for it. They dropped us and Shinji in the middle of distrust-ville.
There is a reason, but it's not a good one. There's zero reason Misato doesn't just explain things to Shinji, besides there not being much of a movie after because the movie is built on flimsy character motivations and a shitty plot.
It still won't make 3.0 itself enjoyable to watch. It'll just be "that shitty 2 hour movie we have to get through to get to the cool stuff in 4.0"
Like, what they were going for in 3.0 could have been way better across the board, in every category, and still gotten to where they wanted to get to.
Jesus...10 years?
1.0 and 2.0 were really good. 1.11 being a nice blitz on the first half of NGE just to get back into the swing of things and 2.22 going hard for some changes after the first half of the film. Both were what I wanted out of Rebuild, with the end of 2.0 is probably one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Then we got 3.0...
I think the time skip could have been done well, but it seems like an insert just to confuse the viewer with little to no pay-off by the end of the film. It's a confusing experience where everyone hates Shinji after doing something that happens off-screen and then never explains what he did or why he should totally just hate himself. It's a film and conflict resolved within five minutes with a brief summary of what happened between the end of 2.0 and the start of 3.0 instead of the "let's treat Shinji like shit" show and expect him to make informed decisions. Seriously, I blame the 4th Impact on Asuka, Misato, and the rest of WILLE.
Man, fuck 3.0. I don't think anything done in 3.0+1.0 will undo all of the problems introduced in 3.0. At this point, I'd stop after 2.0 and ignore the teaser at the end.
1.0 and 2.0 were really good. 1.11 being a nice blitz on the first half of NGE just to get back into the swing of things and 2.22 going hard for some changes after the first half of the film. Both were what I wanted out of Rebuild, with the end of 2.0 is probably one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Then we got 3.0...
I think the time skip could have been done well, but it seems like an insert just to confuse the viewer with little to no pay-off by the end of the film. It's a confusing experience where everyone hates Shinji after doing something that happens off-screen and then never explains what he did or why he should totally just hate himself. It's a film and conflict resolved within five minutes with a brief summary of what happened between the end of 2.0 and the start of 3.0 instead of the "let's treat Shinji like shit" show and expect him to make informed decisions. Seriously, I blame the 4th Impact on Asuka, Misato, and the rest of WILLE.
Man, fuck 3.0. I don't think anything done in 3.0+1.0 will undo all of the problems introduced in 3.0. At this point, I'd stop after 2.0 and ignore the teaser at the end.
WrenchNinja
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Those first two movies were pretty great
Don't know what the fuck happened with that third one
Don't know what the fuck happened with that third one
Isn't it implied that
3.0 happens after the end of the tv show, the instrumentalization has occured and Shinji messed it up by rewinding and cancelling it because he refused to accept that evolution?
Joke's on me...
I actually finally watched the third rebuild movie a few days ago.
They uh, kind of went off the rails. While I thought the big departure was interesting I don't think it was handled well (and the action wasn't as good). It's the weakest one for sure.
Now to settle on for my 40th BD when I'll finally get to check out the next.
They uh, kind of went off the rails. While I thought the big departure was interesting I don't think it was handled well (and the action wasn't as good). It's the weakest one for sure.
Now to settle on for my 40th BD when I'll finally get to check out the next.
A fan of the film? Frustrated at the slow release date? Completely confused at what is actually happening?
All of the above!
Nope, it's that
the entirety of Rebuild happens after the end of EoE. 1.0 even starts with the shot of the red sea along with several other changes to the eco system and surrounding architecture. He basically hits rewind at the end of EoE and that's where Rebuild 1.0 starts.
I lost all interested after the horrible 3.0 movie. More specifically, everything after the part where Unit 2.0
is a blur that I barely remember cause that was the exact point I said "fuck it" and gave up on the reboot series.
Evangelion will always have a special place in my heart but I just don't see myself ever being excited for a sequel to 3.0...
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Evangelion will always have a special place in my heart but I just don't see myself ever being excited for a sequel to 3.0...
It gets better with every watching.
yup. 3.0 fucked it all up and now I couldn't care less about 4.0.
I'd say more like some kind of jungle cat.
I agree that is the worst part of 3.0, but it didn't ruin 3.0 for me. Still very excited for the 4th movie.
Pandora012
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It's the curse tho. ...lol
The Omega Man
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Yes,I watched the new movies recently and now I started re-watching the original show, oh man I thought I remember everything but there were so much stuff I forgot about.
IMO the movies are not meant to replace the OG show, they are more than a re-make despite the first movie being almost identical to the first episodes of the OG show, second movie starts to veer and veer and by the third movie you realize you've been had and this is a sequel.
Movies and tv show complement each other. Now if Mr. Anno will be kind enough to drop the 4th and final movie would be nice.
UnemployedVillain
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I love how she didn't age because reasons
The Omega Man
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3.0 craziness isn't the reason people dislike the movie. The script of the movie is simply a dumpster fire. I know people try to rebut these claims with the most common arguments being 1) interpersonal communication issues being one of the major motifs of the series (true) 2) people hate the movie because it went in unexpected direction (fair enough that it did and some may be against it, but remember that change for sake of change is not a positive in on itself).
However, even beyond the common arguments, the script is a total mess. The pace of the film is abhorrent, it's set up as three act movie, within which the acts don't flow well and don't mesh at all with each other, which makes the experience even more disjointed. Characters motivations are non-existent, the characters are self-conceited and do nothing but sulk around gloomily - it's post-apocalyptic EVA alright, but there's a limit to how the entire cast (sans Kaworu I guess? I don't remember that well at this point) can do nothing but further complicate the situation. You think one bloody person would grow up and tell Shinji what happened, or that Shinji wouldn't act like a crazed moron in the ending starting yet another freaking apocalypse. What's also perplexing is that 3.0 does not progress the plot. Literally. At all. We know nothing about what happened between 2.0 and 3.0, 3.0 does pretty much nothing to push the plot forward and it hits another giant reset button at the end. We will see if 3.0+1.0 ever comes out, but you can bet you could go from 2.0 to 3.0+1.0 and you wouldn't miss anything of substance. That's... not good, really, in any sort of episodic series. Not to mention an array of littler befuddling decisions like that pilot don't age asspull designed to keep all the pilots in their teenage years. What a mess.
I used to care about the Rebuild. Hard to care about it now. Waiting for 3.5 years to receive 3.0 killed my interest in the series. Now it's been 5 years since then and we know nothing about 3.0+1.0. Who cares at this point?
However, even beyond the common arguments, the script is a total mess. The pace of the film is abhorrent, it's set up as three act movie, within which the acts don't flow well and don't mesh at all with each other, which makes the experience even more disjointed. Characters motivations are non-existent, the characters are self-conceited and do nothing but sulk around gloomily - it's post-apocalyptic EVA alright, but there's a limit to how the entire cast (sans Kaworu I guess? I don't remember that well at this point) can do nothing but further complicate the situation. You think one bloody person would grow up and tell Shinji what happened, or that Shinji wouldn't act like a crazed moron in the ending starting yet another freaking apocalypse. What's also perplexing is that 3.0 does not progress the plot. Literally. At all. We know nothing about what happened between 2.0 and 3.0, 3.0 does pretty much nothing to push the plot forward and it hits another giant reset button at the end. We will see if 3.0+1.0 ever comes out, but you can bet you could go from 2.0 to 3.0+1.0 and you wouldn't miss anything of substance. That's... not good, really, in any sort of episodic series. Not to mention an array of littler befuddling decisions like that pilot don't age asspull designed to keep all the pilots in their teenage years. What a mess.
I used to care about the Rebuild. Hard to care about it now. Waiting for 3.5 years to receive 3.0 killed my interest in the series. Now it's been 5 years since then and we know nothing about 3.0+1.0. Who cares at this point?
What I enjoyed most about the original TV show (and that no other anime has managed to replicate for me) is that despite it having such an outlandish, sci-fy concept at its core (i.e. alien kaiju invading earth, giant robots fighting them etc) it was actually quite down to earth and restrained in its way of presenting that struggle.
It actually made you believe that if that event ever happened in our world, the world's militaries and governments would react the exact same way.
In the original anime you have things like:
The Rebuild series, despite doing a lot of things right (at least 1 & 2), threw all that out of the window and replaced them with what I like to call
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and other crap that wouldn't feel out of place in a shonen series.
tl;dr: NEVER give any director unlimited money and/or Carte blanche, despite their previous accomplishments.
It actually made you believe that if that event ever happened in our world, the world's militaries and governments would react the exact same way.
In the original anime you have things like:
- People taking time to discuss the logistics of running a giant robot operation
- The impact that "giant robot vs kaiju" fights have on the world
- You see them dealing with bureaucracy of all things, even when the world is on the brink of destruction
- The giant robots are not entirely within the control of their creators, either going berserk or for whatever reason are unable to function as they should and have a shitton of limitations like: being tied to power cord at all times, limited battery operation, monetary issues involved with their repairs, the afforementioned bureaucracy hindering their deployment etc. All of them are what basically created tension in the show.
- They giant robots are not being kept in some hightech-looking, scify-inspired environment but in a gritty-looking, realistic prison. You see people doing manual labour trying to get them repaired and deployed and restrained.
- Their pilots are basically child soldiers who suffer from PTSD and a large part of the show is dedicated in exploring the damage that piloting their half-living, half-dead, cyborg abominations that may or may not be the prisons of the sentient souls of their dead mothers and that they are causing them a crapload of physical pain in addition to emotional torment is doing to their psyche.
The Rebuild series, despite doing a lot of things right (at least 1 & 2), threw all that out of the window and replaced them with what I like to call
"Super Saiyan" transformations
flying, evangelion-powered ships
evas that turn into dogs (or jungle cats)
tl;dr: NEVER give any director unlimited money and/or Carte blanche, despite their previous accomplishments.
Mass_Pincup
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It isn't out of print in the west. The DVDs are widely available on amazon for like 17.
Ban Puncher
Member
You don't like Rebuild?
What's the matter?
Too deep for you?
What's the matter?
Too deep for you?
Zoe
Member
These aren't remakes.
UnemployedVillain
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The Omega Man
Member
I back you up fam, I liked 3 as a dark-all-is-lost-post-apocalypse-middle-chapter movie, 3.0+1.0 will make more sense out of it.
Bu bu bu bu why did nobody explained anything is this movie to Shinji!!!
Same thing happened in the original show, nobody told or explained Shinji shit, who was the 4th children? nah, "I just couldn't!!" everybody in Evangelion has communication issues (except Tabris) be it the show or the movies.
ZombiePlatypus
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Loooooved 1.0 and 2.0. I own 3.0 but haven't gotten around to watching it yet. Heard a lot of negative stuff about the 3rd, so gonna try and go in with tempered expectations.
I personally don't mind the wait (fuck take as long as FFXV/Versus XIII if need be) just make the 4th one great and give the animation quality all the care, effort and time it needs. Especially if the 4th is gonna be the finale.
I personally don't mind the wait (fuck take as long as FFXV/Versus XIII if need be) just make the 4th one great and give the animation quality all the care, effort and time it needs. Especially if the 4th is gonna be the finale.
Vincent Grayson
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Yeah, I've always liked 3. I was surprised when I found discussion online was mostly in favor of it being terrible.
ZombiePlatypus
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Is there an easy and legal way to watch EoE yet? Or do I have to still resort to expensive VHS tapes or other means?
There's a DVD of it
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