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Recommend non-Miyazaki Ghibli movies...

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mrklaw

MrArseFace
I have all the Miyazaki features on DVD, but what other studio Ghibli movies are worth picking up? I'd be getting them from Japan, so don't worry about US/European availability

eg

The Cat Returns
Whisper of the Heart
My neighbours the Yamadas

Are these worth buying, and are there any others? I can probably only get 2 or 3, so please don't recommend all of them unless they are all really great.
 

bloke

Member
My favourite Ghibli movies (Miyazaki or not) are I Can Hear The Sea, Whisper Of The Heart and Only Yesterday....guess I like more romantic stuff.
Some will say Grave Of The Fireflies is Ghibli's best, but I found that movie bit emotionally manipulative.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
bloke said:
My favourite Ghibli movies (Miyazaki or not) are I Can Hear The Sea, Whisper Of The Heart and Only Yesterday....guess I like more romantic stuff.
Some will say Grave Of The Fireflies is Ghibli's best, but I found that movie bit emotionally manipulative.

I have Grave of the Fireflies. I watched it with my wife once and it fucked me up. We now have two children - one boy 3 1/2, the other a girl of 8 months. I'm not sure I could watch it again.
 

LusDekkar

Member
bloke said:
Some will say Grave Of The Fireflies is Ghibli's best, but I found that movie bit emotionally manipulative.
That's a good way of putting it without sounding like a sook. I swear I had dust in my eye.. that's what i get for watching grave of fireflies in a dusty room.

Seriously though, I think GoF is the best non-Miyazaki Ghibli movie that i've seen. I was really drawn in by the characters.
 

Senior Lurker

MS Informed
I have Tonari no Yamadas, and while I have only seen a little of it, it looks neat! I lent it to a friend and he said it's funny and weird, kinda like Chibi Maruko if you like that. The drawing style is different (might need some getting used to), but I liked it. The little I saw of it was the beggining and it had a cute segment of the parents explaining to the kids how they were born or something.

But I won't be able to recommend it since I haven't seen all of it. Just saying a friend compared it to Maruko (I like Chibi Maruko).
 

Odnetnin

Banned
watch them all. Why bother seperating the ghibli films into Miyazaki or not? I love them all (except the pig pilot one... didn't like it too much)

I was rather upset by Grave of the Fireflies.
When the sister died. I was all teary and very very upset. There was an empathic resounance to that movie about what the war did to children that upset me. I was dying inside when she started eating rocks and going nuts.
It was how her child spirit was crushed that made it compelling viewing. Not a typical filmic theme at all and not comedied up like Roberto Betollini one about the jewish father and son.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Onedin,

I only seperated them to stop people recommending any of them because I already had them - if you see what I mean.

I like the studio's output but haven't seen any of the other works, and there is some stuff up there that seems like shorts or TV episodes. So I just wanted to pick the cream.

Anyone know if 'The Cat Returns', 'Only Yesterday' and 'Whisper of the Heart' have English subs?
 

Meier

Member
Whisper of the Heart is the best Ghibli movie IMO but who knows when or if we'll get a R1 release. Since you said you'll be getting them from Japan it shouldn't be much of an issue for you (they have English subtitles), but dammit I want it on DVD here!
 

Meier

Member
Hitokage said:
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Miyazaki wrote Whisper of the Heart, even though he didn't direct.

It's not a "Miyazaki film" though -- you know that wording refers to the film's director. If we're going to cross out films he had some sort of role in, then there would more or less only be My Neighbor the Yamadas and Grave of the Fireflies left. He works as an Executive Producer (not that they do a whole lot compared to a "producer") on most all Ghibli films he doesn't have a hand directly in.
 

Amir0x

Banned
GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES.

Imho, the greatest Studio Ghibli film, the greatest anime film, and as Ebert said - one of the all time great War movies.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
Whispers of the Heart was great. Don't really have too, but watch that before you watch The Cat Returns.

Grave of the Fireflies, was a fantastic movie, but its one of those I watched once and probably can never watch again.
 

FnordChan

Member
As mentioned, the short answer is "all of them", so it's just a matter of determining what order you'd like to watch them in. Here are a few brief descriptions that may help:

First off, the films of Isao "Nobody's Second Fiddle" Takahata:

Grave of the Fireflies - The tragic tale of two orphans trying to survive near the end of World War II. As expected, this is an emotional kick in the teeth. There are people out there who say they're unaffected by this film, but I don't believe them. Fun Trivia Fact: Grave of the Fireflies was originally shown as a double feature with My Neighbor Totoro.

Only Yesterday - A very mellow film about a young urban office worker who goes to visit her brother-in-law's family in the countryside. The film alternates between her experiences of the countryside as a lifelong city girl and flashbacks her her childhood in Tokyo during the late 60s. The end result combines boatloads of nostalgia with a gentle romance and is absolutely wonderful to behold.

Tanuki Pom Poko - Japanese folklore versus urban modernization: the final battle! As Tokyo expands into the countryside a group of tanuki (a sort of racoon-like critters) realize theri homeland is vanishing and vow to fight back. Cue wacky, if desperate, tanuki hijinx, based on folklore about their shape-changing abilities and magic testicles. I shit you not. This sounds a bit odd, but it's a delightful film, with tons of humor, fantastical visuals, and a bit of reflection on the consequences of urbanization. It also has one hell of an ending theme.

My Neighbors the Yamadas - Slice-of-life adventures of an average, endearing Japanese family based on a four-panel gag manga. There's not an overarching story per se, just lots of little tidbits, all animated with a wonderful watercolor effect. It's generally very lighthearted, though the father's Kamen Rider scene is a powerful, subtle exception. Great fun, in a gentle sort of way.

Takahata rocks the house. However, don't overlook the three Ghibli films that neither he nor Miyazaki directed:

I Can Hear The Sea - Also known as Ocean Waves, this is a saga of teenage romance directed by Tomomi "Here is Greenwood" Mochizuki. It's a nice little TV movie, with plenty of humor, low-key angst, and unrequited love, all centered on a junior highschool school trip. It's quite well done, though it doesn't hurt that I really dig Mochizuki's style. This wins my vote for the most overlooked Ghibli film, so buck the trend and check it out.

Whisper of the Heart - Quite possibly my favorite Ghibli film, Whisper of the Heart is a teenage love story that celebrates the joys of urban life in Tokyo. She's a voracious reader, he's a violin maker who's been checking out the same books, and there's romance, a bit of urban exploration, and novel writing. There's also a delightful fantasy sequence, adventures with cats both real and imagined, and more "Country Road" per second than any other feature film. Okay, so I'm not a fan of the ending line (you'll understand when you see it; it's changed from the original manga, and not for the better) but the rest of the film is just plain great. This was directed by Yoshifumi Kondou with lots of involvement by Miyazaki, with the idea that Miyazaki would retire and Kondou would become one of the major Ghibli directors. Alas, Kondou died a few years later, but he certainly left us with one helluva film.

The Cat Returns - Sheer delightful fluff for fans of Whisper of the Heart, this is the story of a young woman who finds herself drawn into the secret world of cats, with plenty of adventure and derring-do from The Baron and Moon from Whisper. This isn't what you would call a substantial film, but it's certainly entertaining, and available cheap thanks to the recent R1 release.

And there you have it. All of the R2 editions are quite swank and have English subtitles, so don't hesitate to pick up the entire Ghibli library. Enjoy!

FnordChan
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Meier said:
It's not a "Miyazaki film" though -- you know that wording refers to the film's director. If we're going to cross out films he had some sort of role in, then there would more or less only be My Neighbor the Yamadas and Grave of the Fireflies left. He works as an Executive Producer (not that they do a whole lot compared to a "producer") on most all Ghibli films he doesn't have a hand directly in.
Don't give me that. You know there's a big difference between writing and being being an "executive producer". :p
 

FnordChan

Member
Hitokage said:
Don't give me that. You know there's a big difference between writing and being being an "executive producer". :p

For what it's worth, while Miyazaki was heavily involved with Whipser of the Heart in a lot of ways, he didn't write it per se; he adapated the original manga by Aoi Hiiragi into a screenplay. So, while Miyazaki did a lot with Whisper (including the storyboards), I don't think of it as a Miyazaki film.

FnordChan
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Damn, Fnordchan, and just when I'd specified I can only afford a few ;)

Still, my built in wife-filter will only buy 3, so I need a think. I guess the only wildcard is Ocean Waves, so I might squeeze for four.
 

Tsubaki

Member
JackFrost2012 said:
get Whisper of the Heart, it's way better than Miyazaki's lame-ass movies

:lol

Yeah, Mimi wo Sumaseba/WotH is my favorite of all Ghibli movies. It'd be my pick of the bunch. I also like Omohide Poroporo/Only Yesterday, but not nearly as much.

If you ask me though, Hotaru no Haka/GotF is complete garbage. Not because it's sad, but because it's so contrived that it's -trying- (and failed for me) to be sad. Honestly, I never understood why people found the film moving. It made me mad more than any other film I've watched.
 

Pellham

Banned
I like Only Yesterday more than any of Miyazaki's works. I also thought My Neighbors the Yamadas and The Cat Returns were great. I haven't really seen any of the others.
 

FnordChan

Member
mrklaw said:
Damn, Fnordchan, and just when I'd specified I can only afford a few ;)

I'm just making sure you have enough rope to hang yourself with. ^_^

Still, my built in wife-filter will only buy 3, so I need a think. I guess the only wildcard is Ocean Waves, so I might squeeze for four.

It's really hard to go wrong with any of them and it's not as if they're going to go out of print anytime soon, so you can always go back for more later down the line. If my descriptions aren't quite doing the job, the obsessive compulsives at nausicaa.net can tell you more about the Ghibli flicks than you ever wanted to know.

Okay, enough wishy-washiness. If you're only getting three, I'd recommend:

1) Whisper of the Heart - Boy howdy do I ever love this film.

2) Only Yesterday - I really enjoyed the depictions of both mid-60s Tokyo and early-80s rural Japan. This is a very quiet film with tons of details and a lot of warmth holding it all together; I think you'll enjoy it, as long as you know what you're getting into.

3) This is a toss-up, but I'd recommend one of Takahata's lighter films. Tanuki Pon Poko has wild tanuki antics, environmental themes that aren't excessively heavy handed, and tons of Japanese cultural references. The centerpiece for the film is a parade of mythical Japanese critters and it's just glorious to behold. Alternately, check out the visual style of Yamadas:

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The slice of life humor is dead on and there are some positively hysterical moments; just wait 'til you see the TV remote duel. There's not much in the way of a plot, but that's not what you're there for. Yamadas is true to it's gag manga roots and has a very nice "life goes on" resolution to wrap everything up. Flip a coin and pick one or the other.

If you enjoy teenage romance, or enjoyed either Here is Greenwood or the original Kimagure Orange Road movie, you'll definately want to give I Can Hear The Sea a shot; if Only Yesterday sounds a bit slow to you, you may want to swap for Ocean Waves instead. Otherwise, I'd go with the three flicks just mentioned. Of course, that's without really knowing what your tastes are, so you'll probably want to do a bit more research before dropping the cash money.

Let us know what you wind up with and how they go over!

FnordChan
 
Even though Hitokage insists Miyazaki was involved in Whispers of the Heart a lot (well, cause he was) it's not a "Miyazaki film." One he worked with, sure, but...

In any case, I like Miyazaki's movies a lot but Whispers of the Heart is in a whole other class. If you're interested in what life in modern Japan is like, it's one of the most realistic portrayals of day-to-day lifestyle I've ever seen, animated, real, or otherwise. It's just about a young girl who's coming into her own and wanting to do something with herself, anything, but she's not sure what yet. It also has a soft spot in my heart because of the way translation/localization is one of the key and important plot points - that she doesn't just want to "translate" Country Roads, she wants to develop a Japanese version that's similarly moving.

But, uh, yeah. Please ignore the last line, which is completely out of left field and kinda gasptacular. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find a better film about modern Tokyo living, the pressures of being a student in Japan, and the general "how can I show the world I matter"? that everyone goes through in their life. A+
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I think I'll go with Whisper of the Heart, only Yesterday and maybe Pon Poko. It sounds light and airy, with some of the character of Totoro (a 'nothing yet everything' movie). Be good for my 3 year old too.

Seems I'll have to pick them all up over time.

Many thanks for all the recommendations.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
FnordChan said:
For what it's worth, while Miyazaki was heavily involved with Whipser of the Heart in a lot of ways, he didn't write it per se; he adapated the original manga by Aoi Hiiragi into a screenplay. So, while Miyazaki did a lot with Whisper (including the storyboards), I don't think of it as a Miyazaki film.

FnordChan
Sure, but he still wrote the adaptation and did make some changes, and Jin Roh isn't referred to as an Okiura film. ;) Look, I'm not disputing that it isn't a bona-fide Miyazaki film, but to say it's non-miyazaki isn't entirely accurate either... and considering only Whisper of the Heart and Panda Kopanda have this grey area as far as Miyazaki is concerned, it's worth pointing out.
 

FnordChan

Member
Hitokage said:
Sure, but he still wrote the adaptation and did make some changes, and Jin Roh isn't referred to as an Okiura film. ;)

Despite my best efforts. ^_^

Look, I'm not disputing that it isn't a bona-fide Miyazaki film, but to say it's non-miyazaki isn't entirely accurate either... and considering only Whisper of the Heart and Panda Kopanda have this grey area as far as Miyazaki is concerned, it's worth pointing out.

Oh, sure. However, Ghibli has been pretty heavily dominated by Miyazaki's films, and it's nice to remember that the two aren't synonymous. Miyazaki's involvement doesn't hurt a thing - but, in the credit where credit is due department, I feel it's important to think of it as being Kondou's film.

Ah, the heck with it. Let's just agree that Ghibli is super-awesome no matter who's directing. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue to hope for a Ghibli/Pixar director exchange at some point.

FnordChan
 
FnordChan said:
Ah, the heck with it. Let's just agree that Ghibli is super-awesome no matter who's directing. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue to hope for a Ghibli/Pixar director exchange at some point.

So I'm not the only one who, in his heart of hearts, feels Brad Bird's Iron Giant is just a "non-Miyazaki Ghibli movie" mistakenly distributed by Warner Brothers.
 
FnordChan said:
Oh, sure. However, Ghibli has been pretty heavily dominated by Miyazaki's films, and it's nice to remember that the two aren't synonymous. Miyazaki's involvement doesn't hurt a thing - but, in the credit where credit is due department, I feel it's important to think of it as being Kondou's film.

Not to derail the thread into something about videogames, but, I kinda feel Miyazaki:Ghibli::Miyamoto:Nintendo. Both are absolute geniuses who practically created a genre and deserve our love, adoration, and respect. But there's an unfortunate tendency to overassign brilliance within the companies to those two figureheads, as if no other person at Ghibli/Nintendo could do something wonderful without the Guiding Hand of God. (I am not accusing Hitokage of this. :) )

Probably the worst example is the several reviews praising Animal Crossing as the latest example of Miyamoto's Nintendo genius, when Shiggy didn't have so much as an executive producer credit to his name on that one.

So if I seem eager to "downplay" Miyazaki's involvement with Whisper of the Heart, it's not because I don't respect him - it's because I'd like for other creators to get the respect they deserve, too.

P.S. the On Your Mark music video, on the Whisper of the Heart laserdisc but not DVD, is one of the best things Ghibli has ever done. Aum cult and angels and autos, oh my!
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
I'm not trying to downplay anyone here, except maybe Mamoru Oshii but there I digress. ;)

Ah, the heck with it. Let's just agree that Ghibli is super-awesome no matter who's directing.
*thumbs up*
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
JackFrost2012 said:
So I'm not the only one who, in his heart of hearts, feels Brad Bird's Iron Giant is just a "non-Miyazaki Ghibli movie" mistakenly distributed by Warner Brothers.

:)
 
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