You were never going to be allowed to share games with ten people.
Publishers didn't allow Sony to do it with 5, yet you refuse to listen to logic (and CBOAT).
It must be nice living in dreamland.
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You were never going to be allowed to share games with ten people.
Publishers didn't allow Sony to do it with 5, yet you refuse to listen to logic (and CBOAT).
It must be nice living in dreamland.
RedNumberFive
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You lost timed demos, and you can still download titles digitally if you find that changing discs is arduous work. Life will somehow go on.
What if people have slow internet connections and/or bandwidth limits, yet want to reap the benefits of a disc-less ecosystem?
He talked about snapping. Said you can't snap games. Just TV and Skype/IE.
I noticed this, too. I'm wondering if the rumored increase in the ES-RAM clock has something to do with the snapping picture-in performance.
XBone requires a day 1 patch to play offline, you can't unless you patch it.
It makes me laugh more when people moan about having to put a disk in the machine like its hard work or something, i wonder if these people would prefer a world like in that Bruce Willis film 'Surrogates' where we sit in a chair all day 'plugged in' and wasting away while our cyborg clone lives out our lives lol.
phosphor112
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eSRAM isn't going to determine whether or not a plain video would stutter or not.
Those same people that want discless installs are the same people that said disc swapping was no big deal when the 360 had some games on multiple discs.
That's a deal breaker I don't even have access to the internet!
I'm actually posting this telepathically.
Probably related to the 'three OS' architecture.
Xbox One requires a day one patch, period. Even before the 180, it was still going to have one.
What are you trying to say? They had an advertised feature, policy changed, now they don't. Pretty straightforward.
That has no weight on what I corrected.
Delusibeta
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Fine, after initial setup.
I thought it could carry 64 MB packets at 192 gbs? buffering would decrease dramatically and bandwidth would increase.
sorry if i am way off
I wouldn't say it's that, for most people, but rather the convenience of being able to have all your games just there, sitting on your home screen. You wanna launch one? Don't search for the disc, just choose it.
I probably have four or five shelves rammed with games. The ability to obliterate that is awesome. The ability to also have all those games with me wherever I go, is pretty awesome too.
...and I know it may seem irrelevant, but you get an extra layer of security with a disc-less ecosystem, in terms of theft, loss, damage, disc perishability, etc...
oneils
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But he didn't say how fast the actual snapping is. That was part of the question.
To be fair, the discless nature of the original setup made instant switching look pretty nice. Now one has to go all DD to partake in that feature.
Probably because it's slow as shit right now until optimised for launch.
Relaxed Muscle
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So you miss free trials. Dosn't seem a big deal.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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As if actual facts could ever stop his broken record from repeating... Although one really has to admire the resolve of people who enter into serious discussions with him. Keep rolling that rock up the hill, fellas, maybe one day it won't roll back down.
Just like the video we saw of the 'real' demonstration. Can't reference the fake reveal in May.
That is you pulling your hearsay source out, mine said it was full games. See?
You can share with unlimited people one at a time right now with a disc. This would have been the same, with 10 people. Except 2 simultaneously was the max. Outside that, 1 at a time, just like a disc. No difference for publishers.
Well if you like that then thats fine but i have seen people say on here that its a 'deal breaker' having to swap disks or having to change the disk if they want to play a different game, literaly a deal breaker.
It's like the Xbot reunion; all patting each other on the back gleefully that there are people who they can hold hands with momentarily to shield themselves from the harsh reality around them.
Man I love it so much
Relaxed Muscle
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Ok. Free Trials are still full games.
But let's state that aside. You miss something that we didn't know what it was?
I spotted no lies in Ami's posts tho
We are past that now.
Well, I can't really miss it, but I'm bummed we can't see them realize it (or at least try to).
My point is that you don't know it was just trails, and I don't know that they weren't. However, it seemed like a promising feature.
Joke character surely?
As a PlayStation gamer mostly, the only disc swapping I ever did was the virtual kind on digital releases if final fantasy. But even when I played my cousin's Xbox and we were playing Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon the disk swapping was so little. Is it really such a big deal for you people?
What's this "harsh reality"?
Well, you could be posting on here with your phone.
And to tether with your console, you have to pay an extra fee per month to your phone provider.
It is crazy that there isn't enough time to fix this before the system launches. It was changed at least 5 months before the system launches.
The one where Microsoft is currently having to deal with a lot of criticism by a great majority of the community.
Why is that harsh? It's their own fault.
Why is it so hard for some of you to accept that some people actually had no issue with the Xbox One as it originally existed?
Ok, I see. What is the criticism stemming from? Is it required Kinect and a $500 price tag? Because that's all there is left to complain about it seems.
Please show me one publisher who would agree to that.
I dare you to go and find one.
If pubs had no qualms with that feature then you'd have it with digital versions already.
I don't get how it is timed demos when they said all games. Which would include free to play games. plus dlc.
But you called these things horrible rumors before they actually became true.
Why would you use these words if you didn't have any issues with the rumors?
Because CBOAT trumps Microsoft PR that isn't beholden to anything they are saying because they are not promising anything.
Found one.
But seriously, used games sales hurt developers just as much as game lending does, so I'd imagine there was some DRM in place. I just don't believe it was time restricted. Probably concurrent use or something.
The criticism is now stemming from a community of people who can no longer trust Microsoft and are now stuck between thinking about a system which could potentially have a lot of cool games and worrying that if they get it the money will fund future anti-consumer measures or even that Microsoft will end up patching back out the physical disc rights again or stuff like that.
On top of that, those aren't the only reasons to be upset with Microsoft anymore. There are things like the fact they're not allowing self-publishing, a huge mud-in-the-face to garage devs everywhere. It's the fact that on top of being $100 more expensive, it's also significantly less powerful than PS4. It's on top of the fact that underlining that is a philosophy I simply do not understand anymore.
People keep trying to act like just because Microsoft did the 180 it erases what it revealed about them and their future strategy. It doesn't. It just created a field full of educated consumers smart to Microsoft's plans.
They are arguing things they think are facts. There's no way to prove what the family plan would have entailed, but they'd have you think they knew for sure.
Relaxed Muscle
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I can't accept that someone would gracefully grant they consumer rights to a company just to don't have to change discs, some ambiguous shady feature and the idea that games would be somehow cheaper although no one in MS said that.
Sorry my mind can't just get it.
Few things:
I don't think it's best for gamers, but lets face it, microsoft has had such a pr hit with this console before launch that another change could sink it (if it's not sunk already).
On top of it anyone who has games in the works with kinect support would be upset. they would not sue, saying so is ridiculous and even if they did I'm sure they wouldn't win (microsoft is good with their licensing agreements, and I'm sure that extends to their dev kits etc)
If you think the xbox one is just a game box then you need to revisit the reveal videos. microsoft wants into the living room in a bad way, and the more information they can gather there the better for them as a company (not necessarily as a console), My theories on this include IPTV, directed advertising and more.
The reality of this is that even though it might not be best for it's customers, it's best for microsoft to keep the kinect, at least through launch. which is what I was trying to say previously.
Because none of the benefits were associated with the rumors.
test_account
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It can most likely be handled with some sort of DRM, that puts a timer on each full game.
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