Let me reword "emotionally harmed" to "disapproved"
Redskins owner says they'll "Never change the name"
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Let me reword "emotionally harmed" to "disapproved"
GoldenEye 007
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This isn't a human rights issue, though, like the civil rights movement was. Not sure they are directly comparable.
It was the name of a real life chief.
I found this on the Blackhawks's official website:
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=74904
How many tribes have actually signed off on racist names/imagery for commercial usage? Anyway, money motivates. A tribe that gives a pass, and possibly profits, may not necessarily be looking out for the overall interests of its people then and not everyone agrees with their behavior. I think that's pretty obvious. That they would resort to that and stoop so low to make a living sort of shows the dire situation of Native American communities.
I think general backlash against teams or institutions that don't have any overtly racist message or mascot has to do with the general feeling that they're mocking the culture or portraying it in a really goofy/cartoonish, inaccurate or offensive manner. The Cleveland Indians mascot is indefensible. The slur not being super-popular among your buddies is a non-issue.
User 100115
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See, that I have no problem with. It's respectful, the tribe is cool with it, and it's historical.
Redskins does not, as a term, evoke respect in my mind.
Kano on the Phone
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I'm just going to give you the credit of saying that you probably don't believe what you're typing at this point and are just stubbornly arguing from this hole you argued yourself into. That's really the best I can do.
Alligatorjandro
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Call them the Rednecks.
cubicle47b
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Please, the Washington Crackers sounds much better (George W Bush mascot).
What? Attacking me is not an effective way to prove your point.
Alligatorjandro
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Washington Whitewomen.
He didn't attack you. He's letting you know that you're attempting to reframe the discussion with a bullshit hypothetical example that doesn't address the reality of the situation, and therefore doesn't wish to indulge you.
cubicle47b
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They won't stand for that shit. White guys don't give a fuck, though.
Robot Pants
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People need to look past the name. It's a god damn sports team. You can block the creation of racists ones in the future, but you gotta let this one go.
Kano on the Phone
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That. I'm also saving you from making a "majority should determine how we treat the minority" argument that's going to make you regret making it when it sinks in.
Then why let it go? If it's just a sports team and it's as inconsequential as you seem to be suggesting, then why not just change such a silly little thing if it hurts some feelings?
User 100115
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But that would be horrible because most everyone would be offended by that! Like, 90% of people would be offended by that.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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If it's just a sports team name, then why can't others just let this one go?
It addresses the reality of the situation just fine.
The vast majority of people don't want to change the name or are indifferent.
Just 10% of the afflicted party are offended by it.
It is not an issue, at this time, that is worth addressing those in control of the situation.
User 100115
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Because 700 some people are polled doesn't mean that 'just 10% of the afflicted party are offended by it'. I wasn't polled.
Then how can you have a fair assessment of anything ever if you're going to argue that? If there were people protesting in the streets and constantly making waves about it, fine, I grant that as a situation that would need addressing. But almost all the controversy regarding this is media-manufactured.
The only position at which I've established myself is it's something that does not deserve addressing at this time.
That's kinda how statistics work. You get a large and varied sample and it should be representative of the larger whole.
F yeah! LET'S GO HAWKS. (Chara sucks!)
User 100115
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Consider this, if you would:
Native Americans are 1.2% of the population of the US.
I would say a vast majority of them live in areas where they have bigger problems than some team name, so even if they were offended by it, there would be nothing they could do about it.
Also, the fact that making waves in the past has lead to even further shitty treatment.
Three years ago I was in North Dakota, and a reservation lost power during a blizzard. They were without power for nearly three months because apparently the power company was just like 'Eh, it's just the injuns, fuck em.'
The fact that some people are making waves is important. The woman in the article linked, for example. Because they don't have the numbers doesn't mean it isn't important.
is this a RGIII joke
cubicle47b
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I'm sure there'd be plenty of people who would be offended (for some reason) but I think it would be awesome and I don't really care what anyone else thinks. It would actually be better for a baseball team, though. Then you could have white person stereotype themed days.
That may have been just as much the natives themselves as the power company. If the repair work is on the reservation itself, a lot of problems can arise if heavy equipment or removal of trees/buildings is required causing massive delays. Not saying that's the case, but I have seen it happen at a local reservation.
On topic: Has anyone suggested names to the team that may be far less offensive and still envoke the thoughts of pride they think their current name holds?
User 100115
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I believe in this case it was a bit of both; there was a campaign that had be launched before anything was done about it.
Kano on the Phone
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I think the idea was to call them the Redtails, which is a local bird, so they could still use the same colors and it has the same cadence.
I'm not really sure this is true though. Looking up the word whether it's actually a racial slur or simply a racial identifier is, and has been, an issue of debate. Honestly, never in my life have I ever heard anyone use the term in a derogatory way towards Native Americans. Like I've said before in this thread, use of color as an identifier for race is inaccurate and can be condescending, but it's not necessarily racist. Saying "white" and "black" isn't per se racist, so I don't see how "red" is either. Personally, I think "Indian" is much more offensive, but people don't seem to care much about this.
Here's the wiki on the use of therm term.
It's not something bored Internet nerds just invented...
NYR
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Wow.
...is this guy serious?
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