Anticitizen One
Banned
Oh I should have paid attention. I was refering to Super Mario 3D land/world/whatever not NSMBU which has had a year on store shelves and is the strongest game on the platform.
Reggie Fils-Aime on Xbox One/PS4 lineups: "Meh"
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Oh I should have paid attention. I was refering to Super Mario 3D land/world/whatever not NSMBU which has had a year on store shelves and is the strongest game on the platform.
Sorry but what game is this?
Reminds me of Lair. We all know how that turned out as well...
So? What does that have to do with the quality of line up overall?
Freezie KO
Banned
I'm not happy with a lot of their decisions either. In fact, I agree with you that Mario 3D World looks phoned in. But you can say that without going off the deep end and suggesting that Knack is suddenly going to outsell Mario.
I wouldnt make too bold predictions, this will be the first console launch in 8 years. The world has drastically changed, I wouldnt just expect games to sell millions. Look how many copies games sell on 160 million ps360.
TDLink
Member
Considering it originally controlled with Kinect I don't have high hopes. I do wish we would get a good dragon flying game at some point though. It has been far too long.
phosphor112
Banned
Of course it isn't about the tech, you have nothing to brag about with your tech. You have a bigger problem than just no tech. You have no games, no value, but also no idea how to get an account system to work.
So instead of seeing what the others are doing well to improve on your own product, you tread in the murky waters of mediocrity.
And to that, I say "Meh."
Holy shit, so I wasnt just seeing things. Yikes.
Reggie is doing is job. He literally is allowed to say "meh" just like any corporate mouthpiece is.
To be honest, what are people expecting him to say? I can't think of a time when either Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo complimented the other consoles. It's PR 101, act like your crap doesn't stink compared to others. In fact, I think it's a smart way to keep Nintendo in discussion with the launch of other consoles taking over gaming websites.
sometimes i game
Member
I'll never forget the time Reggie responded to a Wii drought with "How can hardcore feel left out? We have Animal Crossing."
This guy.
It's actually not a bad strategy to say "To some, X may be great for ____, but we think we fill this Y need gamers have" vs "They're MEH, we rule." Because no one's going to buy that. Get people to consider your console as a supplement and to believe you're not out of touch with reality.
This guy.
It's actually not a bad strategy to say "To some, X may be great for ____, but we think we fill this Y need gamers have" vs "They're MEH, we rule." Because no one's going to buy that. Get people to consider your console as a supplement and to believe you're not out of touch with reality.
Supermanisdead
Member
animal crossing is very hardcore. have you ever been to the fan forums?
Depends on your definition of strong. Are you referring to the quality of the games or how much they will sell? For example you dismiss Pikmin 3 and The Wonderful 101 which have been vouched for by many GAFers to be a quality games because of their sales yet you big up Donkey Kong. Are you calling Donkey Kong a strong title because you think it's gonna sell well or because you think it's gonna be a quality game?
When I think of what a quality lineup means to me, the last thing I think about is "will these games sell well." So yeah I think the Wii U has a great holiday lineup because I think a lot of the exclusives look great and not because I think they are going to sell amazingly well.
Not sure his job is to antagonise competing companies, he could easily have said 'We have a great line up, a, b, c, no comment on our competitors.'
Anticitizen One
Banned
what are you guys talking about child porn for? Did I use an image from some shady site or something?
Sorry but what game is this?
That one caught my attention as well. I sincerely hope these games live up their presentation
timetokill
Banned
I think the this exemplifies that there are just differences between people. For many grown-ups, such a slavish insistence on production values isn't always necessary. Critically, Nintendo games are functional and have superb gameplay. There are still no platformers that are mechanically better than Mario or Donkey Kong. Rayman may look prettier at times but it's not as sound mechanically. LBP may have better production values but its platforming mechanics are a joke.
Meanwhile, games like Skyward Sword, X, Pikmin 3, etc. are high budget affairs which look and play great, and are AAA in every sense of the word (except perhaps marketing budget). Meanwhile Mario Galaxy 2 came out only 3 years ago and you're acting like "they just don't make 'em like that anymore!" The DKCR series is very high quality both in terms of visuals and animation quality. The sheer amount of animated life given to each level is extremely impressive.
Games like Metroid Prime: Other M focused a lot on presentation, to the game's detriment overall. But even on a pure presentation level, games like Mario Kart still look insanely impressive, and then you also have games like Kid Icarus: Uprising and the upcoming Super Smash Bros. game that are very high on the presentation quality scale. Honestly the idea that Nintendo only puts out "cheap" games is entirely incorrect. Take a look at Sony's smash clone for an example of "cheap" presentation, then look at Smash Bros.
All of this, and I barely even mentioned 3DS, which has a pretty massive stack of high-quality, well presented experiences on it.
If what you want is purely about western-style storytelling, then sure, Nintendo isn't the best place to be. But to conflate that with "presentation" and defining "AAA" is myopic at best.
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Your that insecure that you had to post a low res screen of SMB 3D land and an pre alpha screen of Zelda WW HD, you must be a real cool dude lol
Not you.
walking fiend
Member
Yeah, sorry, it was confusing. What I meant was that although Nintendo library may not be as extensive, but as apparent by NSMBU, those few games are very popular.
If we are talking about quality, I'd say Wii U library is 'already' better than PS4/X1 library.
But of course Reggie is talking in the context of mass appeal of their games, and I honestly don't there is more demand for better looking current gen games than new Wii U games.
Anticitizen One
Banned
not insecure at all. I've had a wii u since launch and preorders ready to go for the next 2 consoles but if Reggie wants to clown around ill join in on the fun.
It's interesting that he's "meh" about these platforms, considering Nintendo must be "meh" about their own console platform since they're dropping the friggin price in less than a month.
Reggie is a clown PR piece that doesn't know the first thing about video games. One would hope you're better than that.
Reggie is a clown PR piece that doesn't know the first thing about video games. One would hope you're better than that.
So you think the sales of one game compared to others that aren't out yet justifies calling the whole line up weaker? You need to work on that, if you could say sales for the entire line up will be less, you may have a point.
My God what planet are you from? And do you even pay attention to game companies?
dugdug
Banned
Or, he could have said "I've seen those games, and they look fun, but I think we have a stronger line-up" and come out looking like a nice guy.
I guess that doesn't matter in the corporate world, but, I don't know. Mud-slinging gets you nowhere.
EatinOlives
Member
Not nearly to the severity of Nintendo's 1st party games. The only other game I can think of that even remotely approaches Nintendo's level of patronizing, overly long, momentum-killing tutorials is Assassin's Creed III.
Reggie's shtick was fun and cool when the original Wii's was kicking ass and Reggie told us all how he likes to kick ass and take names, great times.
But that shtick rings hollow, desperate and delusional now, when the very product he promotes is doing worse than the Dreamcast, the console that sunk Sega.
He is of course welcome to think whatever he wants, just like the millions of people in US, Europe and Japan do, and have all in unison delivered a collective "meh" to the very product Reggie is behind.
Arrogance is a fun thing when you are winning, when you are not winning it reeks of desperation
But that shtick rings hollow, desperate and delusional now, when the very product he promotes is doing worse than the Dreamcast, the console that sunk Sega.
He is of course welcome to think whatever he wants, just like the millions of people in US, Europe and Japan do, and have all in unison delivered a collective "meh" to the very product Reggie is behind.
Arrogance is a fun thing when you are winning, when you are not winning it reeks of desperation
I know you have more words there, use them.
Pretty much. Just seems like school yard spite.
Freezie KO
Banned
I'm still amazed that they gave 3 years for Next Level Games to make Luigi's Mansion. And it paid off!
Also Fire Emblem Awakening.
3DS is so great....
walking fiend
Member
I used NSMBU as an example of how Nintendo games work; there are few titles, but they sell really really well. Almost all of the games they are releasing are from multi-million selling franchises, with critic ratings steadily around %90.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Didja play it? It's pretty good.
Nintendo should be worried about the Wii U being pigeonholed as DRM for Nintendo's latest first/second party exclusives rather than a platform to invest in. Calling a diverse lineup of competing core games "meh" is just doubling down on that philosophy.
You mean like Sony has been antagonizing MS at E3 and Gamescon? But im sure thats cool tho
TDLink
Member
They aren't all like that. I hated Skyward Sword's...like hated hated. I kind of don't want to ever replay that game just because of that opening even though I loved the rest.
But I mean, Wonderful 101 is getting complaints now about how its tutorial is close to non-existent and just throws you in. Pikmin 3 also, while having a tutorial, eases you into the game subtlety where you don't really feel it is patronizing or killing momentum.
This thread looks like it's gonna need to be revisited for review come the end of the fiscal year...
I'm assuming there was a stealth edit involved that I missed, lol.
I'm assuming there was a stealth edit involved that I missed, lol.
Sony is in a position of strength. Nintendo is getting outsold by the Vita in Japan.
Yes, but in overall software sales by platform, WiiU is weak. So if you are using sales to measure library quality, it needs to be over the whole library.
It would be a bit like someone saying COD sells billions, so any platform it is on must have the best line up.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Heck yeah, looks like it's gonna be really good. Where have you been?
Love Deterrence
Member
I didn't say that! I'm not ignoring Wonderful 101 at all, but Wonderful 101 isn't what I'm hanging onto a console for (personally). I'm a huge Bayonetta fan, and Bayonetta 2 has given me the strongest incentive to hold onto my Wii U -- that's all I was saying.
dugdug
Banned
As was said earlier, this kind of stuff is fun when you're in the lead. Reggie pulled it off during the Wii's leadership.
But, when you're down, it reeks of butthurt. The smelliest of butthurts.
In an alternate universe where Matt Stafford is good.
Based on what they are offering and the price point they are offering I see no reason they can't hit 5-6 million on sales by the 1 year anniversary and KZ should see about 2 million or so. Will it outsell Mario, of course not but your claim that two competing launch lineups that include killzone and forza will not outsell a single game is just crazy talk.
Incredibly briefly
Last time I check 3DS is outselling everything everywhere, and dont say it doesnt count since you brought up Vita
Barack Lesnar
Banned
An overweight Stafford is 2x the QB of whatever team you follow. Imagine if he actually got in shape, 6000 yards easy.
Nintendo are not really in that position at the moment. It's also about how you do it. Clever is good. Meh is... well, meh.
Lets examine the post I was responding to:
I don't think saying meh is doing his job.
TDLink
Member
Ah ok. Yeah, I am really looking forward to Bayo 2. I love Platinum something fierce. I actually just got a Wii U last week off ebay (for lower than the price drop, thankfully) because I knew I needed to have it for W101. Personally that was my system seller. Bayo 2 is going to be pretty amazing though. I am also pretty excited about X. I hope Nintendo invests in more action games after these since it is typically a weak genre in their lineup.
I wonder how many heads this will fly over.
I'm talking about the WiiU brosef. I wouldn't talk trash about the 2DS/3DS/3DSXL/insert stupid other nintendo acronym for a console that's been out for two years, considering its success in Nippon.
Matt Stafford couldn't hold the jockstrap of the third QB on the team I follow.
MisterHero
Super Member
Hey look Killer Instinct. A game Modern Rare couldn't make because they didn't make any worthwhile games this generation.