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[abadguy]

I have been gaming for 20 years, I have at least some idea . Microsoft has been the one to push the dudebro agenda big time because obviously that's what sells here. We love our crap, and crap they shall give.

Sony gets many of those games, but it also pushes for a wider diversity of content, especially exclusive content. Microsoft's first party content, what little is there, tends to lean towards the grey brown kill people crowd.

This from a guy who's first console of the previous generation was a 360 (which at it's launch had a much much better diversity of games, some of which were *gasp*, single player!) And then I bought a wii and then a ps3 last due to cost. That being said I would say a large portion of the second half of the 360/ps3/wii era was pretty garbage (some amazing wii and ps3 exclusives aside, and not counting portables here which are killin it). The grey brown AAA dudebro DLC fest seems to be smoothly going into this next generation which is a shame. At least nintendo is still trying to make *gamey* games. Out of all the consoles at the moment the Wii U looks the most promising in the near term, with ps4 next in line and the dudebro box a distant third (although I amj likely to get that at some point as well).

Yeah again, total bullshit, sorry. Between first second and third party online and retail games both consoles are about equal when it comes to variety. Only console maker who's had a truly varied first party line up was Sega. Sony before the PS3 relied mainly on 3rd party exclusives to sell their consoles, which is why PS2 was such a beast game wise.( after the first year that is, launch was pretty shit) Also did you really just use the term "dudebro agenda" in a serious non ironic way?

Many would say I hit the target, I certainly don't expect everyone to think I did.

Killer instinct is a shell of its former self, and lacks all the character of the originals and is not a full retail release but some weirdop hybrid f2p/demo nickel and dime "game".

Crimson Dragon I am aware of and will gladly get when it comes out, which won't be launch .

Forza is a racing sim, both have these, and they are ok I guess? Would love to see more racers like Extreme G, Wipeout, Waverace, etc.

Dead Rising 3 lost much of it's charm from the original from what I and many others have deduced. It used to be a far more colorful game, and instead looks like "another zombie game", again, I guess that's ok? Kinda luke warm to me and many others.

Ryse is a clearly a grey brown QTE stinker, no need to go further.

Crimson Dragon is the closest "gamey" colorful different game you mentioned and that isn't coming out for awhile. We agree on DLC . I think games should be complete experiences on a disc that you own, with content that is unlocked by beating it and mastering it in certain ways. I am all for meaty physical release "expansions" though. As for grey brown shooters, that is there bread and butter, and can be expected to be so going forward. You can even take the word shooter out, and your still left with drab bland (any yes, grey brown) looking western releases. That's just how it is. Gamers tastes have gotten a lot worse over the years, and MS has spearheaded by far more abhorrent practices than anything good.

(I believe they have the best gamepad however, and really innovated on that front)

And see posts like these are pretty typical on forums. You attempt to put out the argument of X1's line up "lacking variety"( only doodbro shooterz, lolol) someone lists games in different genres that pretty much refute your claim, so you change goalposts and attempt to dismiss the games the poster mentions. Your comment about KI seems especially uninformed. "a shell of it's former self"? Weird how pretty much everyone who plays it, seems to say otherwise. Not that you would pay attention to that since it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push.

 

[kidhero1000]

Yeah again, total bullshit, sorry. Between first second and third party online and retail games both consoles are about equal when it comes to variety. Only console maker who's had a truly varied first party line up was Sega. Sony before the PS3 relied mainly on 3rd party exclusives to sell their consoles, which is why PS2 was such a beast game wise.( after the first year that is, launch was pretty shit) Also did you really just use the term "dudebro agenda" in a serious non ironic way?












And see posts like these are pretty typical on forums. You attempt to put out the argument of X1's line up "lacking variety"( only doodbro shooterz, lolol) someone lists games in different genres that pretty much refute your claim, so you change goalposts and attempt to dismiss the games the poster mentions. Your comment about KI seems especially uninformed. "a shell of it's former self"? Weird how pretty much everyone who plays it, seems to say otherwise. Not that you would pay attention to that since it doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So in other words a bunch of their AAA games "aren't AAA to you" for undefined reasons so they don't count. Meanwhile you glossed over a bunch of other examples I provided so that you could act like SMG2 is the only one worthwhile. Skyward Sword isn't AAA because it has hand-holding? What the fuck? Is Assassin's Creed not AAA anymore? What's wrong with its production values? The fact that it's on Wii? I'd imagine it's probably that since you completely ignored any handheld games.

Since "AAA" is just a marketing term, it'd be useful to get at what makes a game AAA for you or not.
So what makes a game AAA to you? Does it have to have voice acting? Realistic graphics? DLC? Blood and guts? Cursing? A "meaningful" (read: sad and/or tragic) story? Being on a Sony/MS console?

What does nicheness have to do with it?
Are sales what determines AAA? If so, Nintendo has plenty of AAA games, Animal Crossing being the latest AAA release. Or does that not count because .... well, you fill in the blank.

I think the fact is you don't play these games and you wouldn't be interested in them anyway. That's fine. But if you're saying that the marketing simply isn't doing it for you for these games that's an argument from ignorance as to the high quality of these games.

I don't consider Skyward Sword AAA just like I don't consider Resistance 2 AAA - it's a huge misstep for the series and the Zelda series has extremely large expectations.

But whatever -- I guess some may like it, and it did have a large budget. So call it AAA if you want.

It doesn't excuse Nintendo from only having a handful of AAA experiences every 3 years. I expect them to at least have that EVERY year like they used to. The lack of killer apps during the Wii's twilight years, and Wii U's early years is simply inexcusable.

 

[Hidden One]

 

[taizuke]

Reggie Fils-Ameh

Beaten many times i'm sure.

 

[freezamite]

You seem pretty sure you are right so im not hoping to convince you our wrong... but its just wrong.

If anything, its wrong simply because who are you to say why they like a game and if what they like about it is casual or hardcore?

Say you looked down on uncharted or something. That is a pretty graphic heavy, story driven game. You might think its casual because you don't think its gameplay is good. Well what if that person loves its gameplay?

Quality of gameplay is often completely subjected and so you cant judge someones casual/coreness based on it. Just simply on how much they play and how into it they are.

I wouldn't call my self a hardcore gamer because I have other hobbies and only really play about 90 mins a day once everyone is asleep. Sometimes I play a bit more if I have time. I love games with indepth gameplay systems and find most story driven games where I personally feel the gameplay is boring not worth my time (such as the new tomb raider).

Someone could love loot games and RPG's and play them 5 hours a day. Thats a pretty hardcore gamer but if you deem those games not in your "gamer" category because its not ninja gaiden then thats just crazy. Its all way to subjective to ever be judged like that. Personally I hate the gameplay in Ninja Gaiden but that doesn't mean its gameplay sucks. Just that it sucks to me.

You come across as someone who doesn't want to be associated with people who play different types of games as you... namely the ones you look down upon.

Whether you mean to come across that way or not is unclear but thats what it sounds like.

You don't understand my point. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KIND OF GAME.
If someone is really invested in loot games because they like this kind of gaming, of course they are as hardcore as the ones invested in for example JRPG or driving simulators or whatever. Look, the MAIN FOCUS has to be PLAYING.

That being said, Knack is the same kind of game than Wonderful 101, BUT, with much more limited gameplay mechanics and focused on the presentation side of the pack, maybe because it's aimed towards a much younger audience than Wonderful 101.

Someone stating that he prefers Knack over Wonderful 101 it's of course stating that prioritizes the visual presentation over the gameplay. That's the same as considering the girl watching football because of the love towards a player a football expert.

 

[Nozem]

You don't understand my point. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KIND OF GAME.
If someone is really invested in loot games because they like this kind of gaming, of course they are as hardcore as the ones invested in for example JRPG or driving simulators or whatever. Look, the MAIN FOCUS has to be PLAYING.

That being said, Knack is the same kind of game than Wonderful 101, BUT, with much more limited gameplay mechanics and focused on the presentation side of the pack, maybe because it's aimed towards a much younger audience than Wonderful 101.

Someone stating that he prefers Knack over Wonderful 101 it's of course stating that prioritizes the visual presentation over the gameplay. That's the same as considering the girl watching football because of the love towards a player a football expert.

If you prefer Wonderful 101 over Dwarf Fortress, you're clearly a casual gamer since the mechanics are so incredibly simple.

...see how that reasoning is utter bullshit?

 

[freezamite]

If you prefer Wonderful 101 over Dwarf Fortress, you're clearly a casual gamer since the mechanics are so incredibly simple.

...see how that reasoning is utter bullshit?

1. Dwarf Fortress is not even the same genre than Wonderful 101.
2. You've probably never played Wonderful 101 and assume it's a simpler game because of how it looks. In other words, you're a "hardcore viewer", but not a "hardcore GAMER".

I've never played Dwarf Fortress, so I can't judge it and I won't. And no, this reasoning is just saying the things by their name. I know that since "gamming" has turned into "viewing explosions while pressing forward" a lot of "hardcore viewers" consider themselves hardcore gamers, and a thing that's really funny for them is to criticize the people who has started playing videogames because of the motion controls and that don't post on Internet forums. It's funny because they can't defend themselves, so they can treat them like "industry pests" freely without any fear of creating controversy and thus being banned.

Look, this is easy, you can enjoy the beautiful graphics, you can love an excellent plot, you can even buy some games based on those things and that doesn't make you a casual. But if you play videogames based on graphics, violence, the plot or whatever thing not related with gameplay mechanics, then you're as casual as a GAMER as my aunt playing Wii-Fit to lose some kilos.

 

[shouamabane]

I think he's right. If I buy a PS4 this year it will be for potential games I haven't seen yet. There isn't a real PS4 killer app yet.

 

[LocalE]

If you're going into published territory, Nintendo looks even worse compared to the competition (Microsoft and Sony), that's all. Honestly, there's not much to discuss. Nintendo is a company that relies heavily on old IPs and characters. The other two companies have a much better track record of creating new franchises.

Conversely, their track records for maintaining the value of existing intellectual properties is much less impressive when compared with Nintendo.

Also, I agree with Reggie's "meh".
Fortunately, we will have the choice of systems and games to buy, which suit our individual tastes. We also always have the option to wait and buy a system when and if it has games that actually appeal to our tastes.

It would be a gross misappropriation of my funds to buy an xbone or ps4 this year, when there are so many games I'm looking forward to on Wii U. I would be all, "why can't I hold all these games and consoles", and then "why am I holding these games and consoles at all when I'm not interested in them, I don't have time for this".

Reggie is not wrong, because some people agree with him on this. Some people don't feel the same way, and that's ok.