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Remember when the Greatest Quarterback of All Time got his good name screwed over in a smear campaign hit job?

Was deflategate bullshit?

  • Absolutely.

    Votes: 29 65.9%

  • I'm stupid and believe a bunch of lies and propaganda

    Votes: 15 34.1%
  • Total voters
    44
Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
MrS said:
What about Super Bowl wins? He has more of those than anybody else too.

Is coming through in the clutch overrated too?
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No, he has zero super bowl wins.

He played on a team with 52 other players and dozens of coaches.

Roger Federer he ain't.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
DESTROYA said:
Wide receivers used stickum back in the day

www.sportscasting.com

Jerry Rice Surprisingly Admitted to Cheating Using a Sticky Solution

The Hall of Famer wide receiver admitted that he had used the illegal substance called "Stickum" on his gloves.
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LT probably played all coked because the Giants admitted they knew about his

www.nytimes.com

Taylor of Giants, in a New Book, Says He Used Cocaine Frequently (Published 1987)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

I’m guessing being a all time great he would be fine, he is more a prototypical old school pocket passer with great accuracy and when in his prime very good arm strength ( still pretty good ).
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Yep, and they pine tar it sometimes now as well.
 
MrS

MrS

Banned
Men_in_Boxes said:
No, he has zero super bowl wins.

He played on a team with 52 other players and dozens of coaches.

Roger Federer he ain't.
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Bullshit. QB always gets the credit and you're being obtuse by denying it. 6 rings, count em. Brady isn't overrated. Just GOAT things.

As somebody who has a great deal of admiration for Federer, he has been choking for a few years. How many tournament points did he choke away to Novak at Wimbledon in the 2019 final? Couldn't be Tom.
 
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DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
No, I'm offended by the idea that a teams success can be attributed to a single player.

I actually like Brady. But he's no GOAT.

Dan Marino was way better.
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Dan The Man was a precision freak.

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ssringo

ssringo

Gold Member
All I know is the so called greatest is 0-2 against Eli in the Super Bowl.

Oh, and the Falcons choking against Tom in the Super Bowl was hilarious.
 
Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
MrS said:
QB always gets the credit...
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By talking heads like Skip Bayless and Steven A Smith...yes. ESPN rates players by team success.

Actual talent evaluators like college scouts and pro scouts give significantly less credit to single players based on team success.

Choose your group. I choose the people paid to evaluate talent.
 
DESTROYA

DESTROYA

Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
No, I'm offended by the idea that a teams success can be attributed to a single player.

I actually like Brady. But he's no GOAT.

Dan Marino was way better.
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And how exactly are you going to prove that ?
Sure probably DM was physically more gifted with a quick release but just look at the stats


Tom Brady vs Dan Marino Comparison

Compare Tom Brady and Dan Marino careers through the years of your choosing. You can see stats, Super Bowls, awards and more.
nflcomparisons.com nflcomparisons.com

TB crushes DM in every category
 
Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
DESTROYA said:
And how exactly are you going to prove that ?
Sure probably DM was physically more gifted with a quick release but just look at the stats


Tom Brady vs Dan Marino Comparison

Compare Tom Brady and Dan Marino careers through the years of your choosing. You can see stats, Super Bowls, awards and more.
nflcomparisons.com nflcomparisons.com

TB crushes DM in every category
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It's impossible to prove anything. You can't even prove Roger Federer was better than Pete Sampras and that's a one person sport.

All we can do is make cases. Dan Marino played in era when passing was significantly harder. His stats can't be compared to Tom Brady. It's much more effective to compare Dan Marino's stats to the best QBs in his era, and Tom Brady's stats to the best QBs in his era. Dan Marino comes out ahead in that area.

I also think Matt Cassell playing like Tom Brady was a massive knock on Brady's during 2008. If your team doesn't skip a beat without you, you can't be considered GOAT.
 
DESTROYA

DESTROYA

Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
It's impossible to prove anything. You can't even prove Roger Federer was better than Pete Sampras and that's a one person sport.

All we can do is make cases. Dan Marino played in era when passing was significantly harder. His stats can't be compared to Tom Brady. It's much more effective to compare Dan Marino's stats to the best QBs in his era, and Tom Brady's stats to the best QBs in his era. Dan Marino comes out ahead in that area.

I also think Matt Cassell playing like Tom Brady was a massive knock on Brady's during 2008. If your team doesn't skip a beat without you, you can't be considered GOAT.
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What does Matt Cassell have to do with anything ?
Whatever you think of him he was a good enough to be a starting NFL QB.

Marino retired in 1999 and Brady first started in 2000, that argument about timelines really doesn’t add up considering the both played basically the same time.....the game didn’t drastically change that much a few years apart.
 
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Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
DESTROYA said:
What does Matt Cassell have to do with anything ?
Whatever you think of him he was a good enough to be a starting NFL QB.
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Tom Brady got hurt. Matt Cassell came in and gave the Patriots 93.7 percent of what Tom Brady gave them.

You're not the GOAT if you can be replaced so easily by Matt Cassell.

Matt Cassell sucks.

When Barry Sanders gets hurt, the Detroit Lions are like "Sheeeeeiiiiit".
 
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DESTROYA

DESTROYA

Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
Tom Brady got hurt. Matt Cassell came in and gave the Patriots 93.7 percent of what Tom Brady gave them.

You're not the GOAT if you can be replaced so easily by Matt Cassell.

Matt Cassell sucks.
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I know what happened, I watched Mo Lewis take out Bledsoe that started the Brady and NE domination .
Like I said Matt Cassell didn’t suck he just had shitty years in KC .
I see you just have a hate boner TB . Your not going to convince me with anything you post we just have different opinions but your really reaching .
Have a good day bro
 
008

008

Banned
DESTROYA said:
You like watching losers play, 1-4 in Championship games . OK

Your delusional , he is going to have 10 SB appearances and going for a 7th ring....yeah highly overrated :pie_roffles:

To be fair thats more on Belichick‘s and has nothing to do with Brady.

All I see is a QB that has crushed the hearts and dreams of most of the NFL and pissed off fans that are jealous.
Any of these guys crying about Brady would kill to have him on there team.
Haters going to hate but you can’t deny the results.
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What do you care who I like to watch play QB? You gave a record like I didn’t know. Enjoy his game and the way he plays.
 
008

008

Banned
DeepEnigma said:
I would still like to see how these QBs would perform pre-rules era, where they would go after QBs like snipers and before WRs were treated with don't touch kid gloves on coverage. Which was ironically changed with Brady coming up hence the "Brady Rules" the league called them.

Better yet, the greats that had to deal with players like LT and the like, brought into the new era of rules. But we will never know. Maybe they can make AI programs for that.
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It depends. Just because they allowed more contact doesn’t make them the best. Ever seen the Phil Simms fitness tapes from the 1980’s? Players are physically built specimens these days. They’re fucking huge now and ripped to shit. They really can’t get any bigger or stronger than now.
 
Tschumi

Tschumi

Member
DESTROYA said:
Rogers has all the talent in the world it’s too bad he’s such a whiny bitch throwing his coach and team under the bus.
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If he is the goat, there's got be some form of hell to pay for him only having one SB.. he's leading the league in so many categories year in, year out, something else must be royally letting him down~

I'd like to see him go to one of these teams who are an epic QB short of greatness.. would be interested to see him go to the patriots... But that's all just random musings
 
West Texas CEO

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Dan Marino only won one Super Bowl compared to Brady's six, lol

At last he was good in Ace Ventura
 
gunslikewhoa

gunslikewhoa

Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
No, I'm offended by the idea that a teams success can be attributed to a single player.

I actually like Brady. But he's no GOAT.

Dan Marino was way better.
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Along with Brady's career total #'s being significantly higher than Marino's...

Career passer rating - Brady: 97.3 Marino: 86.4
Adj. Net YPA - Brady: 7.1 Marino 6.55
Comp. % - Brady 64.0% Marino 59.4%
Int. % - Brady 1.8% Marino 3.0%

Brady leaves the Patriots and goes to the Superbowl. The Pats finish 7-9.

What a joke.
 
DESTROYA

DESTROYA

Member
Any Major Dude said:
If he is the goat, there's got be some form of hell to pay for him only having one SB.. he's leading the league in so many categories year in, year out, something else must be royally letting him down~

I'd like to see him go to one of these teams who are an epic QB short of greatness.. would be interested to see him go to the patriots... But that's all just random musings
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You know where a good fit would be , NO .
They need a good QB and that would pretty much put them over the top.
 
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drganon

drganon

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I voted the second option cause it was funnier. That said, being a panthers fan, I'm still bitter about super bowl 38, but at least Tom and the gang humiliated the Falcons. Few things are better sports related than watching Atlanta based sports teams choke or move to Canada.
 
Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
gunslikewhoa said:
Along with Brady's career total #'s being significantly higher than Marino's...

Career passer rating - Brady: 97.3 Marino: 86.4
Adj. Net YPA - Brady: 7.1 Marino 6.55
Comp. % - Brady 64.0% Marino 59.4%
Int. % - Brady 1.8% Marino 3.0%

Brady leaves the Patriots and goes to the Superbowl. The Pats finish 7-9.

What a joke.
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I've already addressed why you can't compare patty cake era QB stats with those from the 80s and 90s.

The Patriots had the most Covid exemptions of any team in the NFL this year. Meaning no other team had more entire year sit outs than New England.

Also, this year the Patriots had the fourth lowest payroll in the league.

But the talking heads on ESPN won't tell you any of this stuff because they prefer turning individual players into demigods for the masses.
 
gunslikewhoa

gunslikewhoa

Member
Men_in_Boxes said:
I've already addressed why you can't compare patty cake era QB stats with those from the 80s and 90s.

The Patriots had the most Covid exemptions of any team in the NFL this year. Meaning no other team had more entire year sit outs than New England.

Also, this year the Patriots had the fourth lowest payroll in the league.

But the talking heads on ESPN won't tell you any of this stuff because they prefer turning individual players into demigods for the masses.
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Yeah, that's what it is. You're the informed genius and I'm just some dumb know-nothing who can't form his own opinion.

Excuses, excuses.

They're both at or near the top of their in era in most categories. You know how I break a tie (lol @ this being close to a tie in the first place) between players in this situation? Which one wins. This isn't even close. Just win, baby.
 
SpiceRacz

SpiceRacz

Member
gunslikewhoa said:
Along with Brady's career total #'s being significantly higher than Marino's...

Career passer rating - Brady: 97.3 Marino: 86.4
Adj. Net YPA - Brady: 7.1 Marino 6.55
Comp. % - Brady 64.0% Marino 59.4%
Int. % - Brady 1.8% Marino 3.0%

Brady leaves the Patriots and goes to the Superbowl. The Pats finish 7-9.

What a joke.
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I'll add another stat for you.

Appearances in Ace Ventura - Marino: 1 Brady: 0

Have some god damn respect. We're talking about Dan FUCKING Marino here.

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manfestival

manfestival

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As a Bucs fan most of my life.... I am just happy we finally got here. I don't really care who brought us to this point. Also glad that Jameis is gone. He wouldn't be able to pull off what Brady did. It was bittersweet beating the Saints during the third and most important go around.
 
SpiceRacz

SpiceRacz

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Mitsuda Maniac

Mitsuda Maniac

Member
Brady did cheat even though it isn't a huge infraction. He should have just admitted it and took a slap on the wrist. He tried to lie his way out of it and for that reason I am happy he got more harshly penalized.
 
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