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Remembering Ryan Davis, 1979 - 2013
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Holy crap.
AuthenticM
Member
Sure, but you don't need to be an asshole about it.
Really?
He's not being an asshole. You're coming off as entitled.
Leave it be. People die. Not everything needs to be revealed.
If having people on forums or on twitter stop repeatedly asking a grieving family and friends for medical records they don't want to release makes me an asshole, I'm okay with that.
TheContact
Member
It's selfish to think that way in my belief. In the end, his heart stopped. That's all that matters. If you can't get over it just make something up in your head and roll with it.
Get over it. You are not entitled to this particular truth.
When you look at the big picture, what does it matter how he died. Concentrate on how he lived and the positive influence he had on you. Stop trying to sate your morbid curiosity.
As another poster said, this is not about you.
AngelsDontBurn
Banned
It's very atypical to not know the cause of death of someone who has so many followers.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I lost my shit at Chris Rock as Patrick.
But why does this matter? That doesn't justify the constant requests for the information. People are being self entitled. It's getting repetitive to say this over and over again, but If they want to release it, they'd release it.
Just live with their answer.
No matter how famous someone is, they and their family have the right to privacy.
Why does everyone get so freaking hostile when some one brings up that question? I fully understand the reasoning behind keeping the information private, but is it so hard to understand that lots of people felt like Ryan was a friend even if they never knew him? And for some it would help if they knew? It has nothing to do with morbid curiosity.
I'd get the hostility if someone was demanding to know and getting mad at the family for not saying, but Authentic simply shared what would personally help him move on and everyone jumps down the guys' throat.
I'd get the hostility if someone was demanding to know and getting mad at the family for not saying, but Authentic simply shared what would personally help him move on and everyone jumps down the guys' throat.
His obliviousness as to why Ryan's family would want to keep the matter private irked me.
NoblerThanWork
Neo Member
I think it's important that we realize Ryan didn't belong to us and instead be grateful that his family and friends shared him. At the same time, I sympathize with those who would feel better knowing what happened.
AngelsDontBurn
Banned
And this is why people are irritated by it. So many have acted like they deserve to know the information. I understand curiosity, but the privacy of family and friends is something that shouldn't be questioned. Honestly, I don't understand why it's so important to know those details.
It's fine to want to know the cause and to ask, but when we have an answer from his father and people continue to pry and ask for more information is when people get irritated. I think some people in this thread that have been following it from the announcement might be quicker to anger since they've seen the question asked more than people coming to the thread relatively recently.
AuthenticM
Member
I always found it weird when people keep to themselves the cause of death of a close one, when asked by not-so-close people. As I said before, if it's nothing embarrassing, why keep it to yourself ? What do you gain by doing so ? What comfort does it give you ?
I have several aunts and uncles who died of cancer, another one who died of a heart attack and one who was crushed by a brick wall on a construction site. I don't have any problem relaying this information. Had these close ones been public figures with tons of followers on the Internet, I would have still given out the information to them.
I guess some people just aren't as comfortable with this as I am. As some are so eager to remind others, we are not entitled to that information and the Giant Bomb crew does not have to tell us. But again: weird.
At least one who gets me.
I didn't know his father gave an answer. The Bomb crew didn't talk about this on the bombcast. What did he say ?
I have several aunts and uncles who died of cancer, another one who died of a heart attack and one who was crushed by a brick wall on a construction site. I don't have any problem relaying this information. Had these close ones been public figures with tons of followers on the Internet, I would have still given out the information to them.
I guess some people just aren't as comfortable with this as I am. As some are so eager to remind others, we are not entitled to that information and the Giant Bomb crew does not have to tell us. But again: weird.
At least one who gets me.
I didn't know his father gave an answer. The Bomb crew didn't talk about this on the bombcast. What did he say ?
https://twitter.com/mauleace/status/354670807546462209
is his father's tweet. If people are wondering why I'm so irate, look above to what he's replying to. I'm in that camp.
Speculation is needless, the only thing that should really matter is that we all lost a really funny and awesome guy.
is his father's tweet. If people are wondering why I'm so irate, look above to what he's replying to. I'm in that camp.
Speculation is needless, the only thing that should really matter is that we all lost a really funny and awesome guy.
runnin_blue
Banned
It's just GAF, it is what it is.
Everyone please relax & just remember Ryan for the great guy we all think he was.
AuthenticM
Member
I didn't speculate as to his death.
I'm kind of hating the back and forth because I feel like this is really derailing the topic, but if I have to spell it out.
Because I know you'll argue the semantics of how you originating statement was phrased, I'm just going to let sleeping dogs lie and not follow up anymore on the "I'd like to know the reason of his death" topic. The dude was awesome and both you and I miss him terribly. Getting through those bombcasts and videos is tough.
I did a run through of TANG over July 4th weekend, and the guy was just so vivacious and awesome.
What a duder.
Because I know you'll argue the semantics of how you originating statement was phrased, I'm just going to let sleeping dogs lie and not follow up anymore on the "I'd like to know the reason of his death" topic. The dude was awesome and both you and I miss him terribly. Getting through those bombcasts and videos is tough.
I did a run through of TANG over July 4th weekend, and the guy was just so vivacious and awesome.
What a duder.
AuthenticM
Member
I don't think you know what "speculation" means.
a secret-boss
Banned
The voyeurism of the internet.
Must know everything about a person they didn't even met.
Self entitled lol
Must know everything about a person they didn't even met.
Self entitled lol
GillianSeed79
Member
I'll just say this. It's not easy to determine a cause or manner of death, especially considering it was natural causes. I don't want to post this, but I feel like it might be needed since people don't understand. It sounds like Ryan's death was unattended and we know the death was from natural causes. A county coroner is not going to walk into a scene of an uattended death, look at a dead body and magically determine the guy's cause of death unless there's obvious clues like the body having a bullet wound to the head or a bunch of heroin and hypodermic needles laying around. It's not like television or the movies. There are countless ways people can die of natural causes. It's not like they walk into a scene where a guy died in his sleep and say something like "Well, Bob, clearly judging by the dilation of his pupils and the fact he is wearing one sock means this man died of kidney failure."
Hell, they might not even know at this point or ever know unless they do an autopsy. I mean, where I live, they'll automatically do an autopsy if it's an unattended death just to rule out foul play, but we're talking about California. I'm not even sure they'd do an autopsy if his death was from natural causes. They might just leave it at that. They are probably going to prioritize the autopsy of the guy down the street that got brutally murdered over guy who died in his sleep. Even if an autopsy was done, it often takes weeks or months to get a report back. Then there's toxicology screens and everything. All you need to know is that the death certificate probably reads death of natural causes. That should comfort you.
The reason why most celebrieties' causes of death are known is because they are usually obvious. You don't need to do an autopsy to determine that, say, Curt Kobain blew his head off.
The guy died of natural causes. Unless a death involves foul play or something nefarious, we have no right to know what caused it. I'd just say respect the privacy of his friends and family. It's not something they should have to release or let other people know unless they want to.
Don't sweat it, Authentic. I know you're just curious. Honestly, I am as well. I wish I wasn't, but I can't help it. Just human nature maybe.
And it's not like I'm going to create a Twitter account and start messaging his wife or Jeff or something demanding an answer. I want to know specifically, but I respect the family's wishes if they never elaborate. Hell, they might not even know exactly what happened yet.
And it's not like I'm going to create a Twitter account and start messaging his wife or Jeff or something demanding an answer. I want to know specifically, but I respect the family's wishes if they never elaborate. Hell, they might not even know exactly what happened yet.
H.Cornerstone
Member
It looks like you have more than one ice cube in there. Taswell would not approve.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Haha.its a work night.It looks like you have more than one ice cube in there. Taswell would not approve.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
Its neither needless nor useful. It's natural. And it's what people are used to asking when they learn someone has died. Don't be irritated by something so mundane as a question.
People grieve and remember the deceased. But they're also always that moment before everyone talks about them where people stop all speculation and mystery and flat out say how they died. The death could have undetermined. It could have been sleep apnea, it could have been the drugs he was taking shortly after his wedding. It could have been a stroke out of nowhere. Either way, a cause of death is written down officially, and released in PR statements. All we know is it happened in his sleep away from his wife. And it's tragic as fuck.
No matter what. I don't think it's fair to be rude to people asking for the cause of death. The official word from his father is natural causes. Yes point people to it. You won't get more than that until we do. But to say it's normal to have this situation where only one person told us what happened. And the giant bomb crew glossed over it. It's not usually how public figures deaths are dealt with. I don't know if it helps remember only him the man and who he was who we all loved. If it is just a private matter this family would like to keep to themselves and there really is nothing. Or if the cause of death just doesn't want to be published publically because it doesn't have too.
beastworship
Neo Member
what about slugs like myself who want to learn from what has ailed others in hopes of preventing/avoiding it.
Asking how he died is fine. Persistently asking after someone has stated 'natural causes' and given no indication they wish to expand on that right now is... not fine. I'm not following this thread actively right now but so I can't say if that's what happened here again, but this conversation occurring over and over and over again is... also not fine.
Go to the library and read a book. How much could you possibly learn from this one isolated data point?
Go learn from the thousands of other people who die every day.
Dark Octave
Banned
Not really understanding this part. More serious than death?
Also I just heard the newest bombcast. Good stuff. I'm glad they did that.
I think LowKeyedUp was implying the initial unwarranted speculation that it might've been drug use or addiction or whatever stupid stuff people were coming up with.
beastworship
Neo Member
what if i paralleled him in many ways and am not too far behind in age, 4~5 years. curiosity is natural but the explanation of not having an answer like foul play is understandable. i would still be interested to learn why though, call me a monster.
This is a great read:
http://www.vertigogaming.net/blog/?p=2476
So is the Gamasutra article he links within it.
http://www.vertigogaming.net/blog/?p=2476
So is the Gamasutra article he links within it.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Nah, it was gross the way he was all like "if they have nothing to hide they should just release it."
People need to realize that whatever they've built up in their minds, they don't actually know him, they weren't part of his life, they just saw him at work via the internet. If you genuinely had respect for him move on, let the grieving family be, and stop telling them how they should handle their lives to make you feel better.
While I'll agree with you I think Ryan passing at such a young age is what leads to people asking questions. I think its understandable for people to ask questions based on there being no statements on why or how he died but it is also a decision that is up to his family and friends.
If I know one thing about death and seeing it is that it truly doesn't matter how it happens when somebody is gone they are gone.
If anyone is legitimately concerned by the way they are currently living... change it. It's more than likely that you hold a concern because you are already skeptical. Or... don't.
Just try to be a little more respectful of the family and friends much closer to Ryan who are grieving right now.
Just try to be a little more respectful of the family and friends much closer to Ryan who are grieving right now.
John Rabbit
Banned
if you smoke, stop.
if you're fat, lose weight.
if you might potentially be abusing opiates, stop.
it's also complete and total speculation that ryan died as a result of any of those things. it's also not really important because they're all very un-healthy behaviors for anyone. it's not rocket science. if you find out he died from an undiagnosed congenital heart defect that he couldn't have done anything about, is that going to give you license to keep destroying your body?
take care of yourself, man.
GillianSeed79
Member
This. I actually feel kind of guilty for being so emotionally distraught and crying for Ryan because at the end of the day I didn't know the dude personally other than watching and listening to him on the internet for years. The tears and crying have been real for me this week, but just try to put yourselves in the shoes of his family and friends. We all loved Ryan, but it's nothing compared to the loss that they are probably feeling right now. The best we can do is offer our condolences and celebrate Ryan's life, but I think there's a line where we should realize that, outside of the people that personally knew him, that our grief is, I hate to say it, kind of superficial compared to the grief his friends, family and especially his wife are feeling now. We all loved him, of course, but it's kind of selfish to claim him as our own now.
You might be interested, but you don't get to decide that and it's tacky to really bring it up. The way it's been handled by the family, an expectation of privacy past what has been shared is implied.
That was freaking awesome.
LyleLanley
Banned
Would finding out how he died really help your situation? If you're seriously concerned about your health you'd probably be better off going to see a doctor.