She kept saying that Trump wasn't briefed last week on the dossier. In other words the 2 page summary of it that was part of Trump's (and Obama's) intel briefing last week per CNN's reporting never happened according to her. The next day Biden confirmed they were briefed and CNN also reported Comey personally discussed the issue with Trump last Friday. Conway hasn't been seen since.
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She kept saying that Trump wasn't briefed last week on the dossier. In other words the 2 page summary of it that was part of Trump's (and Obama's) intel briefing last week per CNN's reporting never happened according to her. The next day Biden confirmed they were briefed and CNN also reported Comey personally discussed the issue with Trump last Friday. Conway hasn't been seen since.
He's from West Virginia, dude. That's literally as liberal you can get without being called a commie sympathiser over there. He's still more left than any republican in the Senate.
Perhaps deep down they don't want to come to terms with the fact that they were so gullible to for falling for Trump.
Well most people have a hard time believing evidence that their side is doing something wrong. That's part of it. The other issue, and really the much bigger problem, is that many people on the right completely refuse to believe a word that is printed or said by non-friendly media. Much of it comes from talk radio convincing listeners of a media conspiracy and that they must reply on sources like TheBlaze, Breitbart etc for the truth. Trust me, I know because I was a big talk radio guy in my college years and used to think this way. Thankfully I grew out of it and realized how bad living in a bubble like that is. It's a big reason why my political views have moderated over the years. Unfortunately most don't grow out of it.
It's much deeper than that. Think about the average person here feels when somebody quotes Breitbart or The Blaze as a news story. That's how these people react to WaPo, the NYT, CNN, all the broadcast networks news divisions and so on.
Host Samurai
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Woah. That makes so much sense onto the real reason why Trump hates Obama. Never put 2+2 together. Dem sanctions. I honestly don't think it's about race, but can easily rally up the deplorables on his side.
I don't think he's smart enough for that, to be honest. Maybe it was a combination of both? Either way, Trump's motivations have to be partially due to racism.
I really do think his own racism got him into this. The first think I can ever remember about Trump in politics were his racist remarks about Obama's birth certificate.
Yeah, that's definetly part of it. It's an insane problem and not one I'd even begin to know how to fix.
jellies_two
Member
That's right
And the weird part is the more off beat the pages are hosting some stupid theory the more they believe they are "on to something".
A kernel of an idea that not everything in the news is always perfectly true has been fertilized and turbo charged until they only believe something IF they read it on shitty sites loaded with ads, or passed around on Facebook.
Have y'all seen that interview Trump gave in the 80's basically saying the US and Russia should unite to disarm other countries?
EDIT: for those who haven't seen it...
http://www.vox.com/2016/12/30/14127...ing-with-the-ussr-against-france-and-pakistan
So what is the deal Trump thinks can be done? What is the Trump Plan?
It's a deal with the Soviets. We approach them on this basis: We both recognize the nonproliferation treaty's not working, that half a dozen countries are on the brink of getting a bomb. Which can only cause trouble for the two of us. The deterrence of mutual assured destruction that prevents the United States and the USSR from nuking each other won't work on the level of an India-Pakistan nuclear exchange. Or a madman dictator with a briefcase-bomb team. The only answer is for the Big Two to make a deal now to step in and prevent the next generation of nations about to go nuclear from doing so. By whatever means necessary.
”Most of those [pre-nuclear] countries are in one form or another dominated by the U.S. and the Soviet Union," Trump says. ”Between those two nations you have the power to dominate any of those countries. So we should use our power of economic retaliation and they use their powers of retaliation and between the two of us we will prevent the problem from happening. It would have been better having done something five years ago," he says. ”But I believe even a country such as Pakistan would have to do something now. Five years from now they'll laugh."
”You think Pakistan would just fold? We wouldn't have to offer them anything in return?"
”Maybe we should offer them something. I'm saying you start off as nicely as possible. You apply as much pressure as necessary until you achieve the goal. You start off telling them, ‘Let's get rid of it.' If that doesn't work you then start cutting off aid. And more aid and then more. You do whatever is necessary so these people will have riots in the street, so they can't get water. So they can't get Band-Aids, so they can't get food. Because that's the only thing that's going to do it—the people, the riots."
EDIT: for those who haven't seen it...
http://www.vox.com/2016/12/30/14127...ing-with-the-ussr-against-france-and-pakistan
So what is the deal Trump thinks can be done? What is the Trump Plan?
It's a deal with the Soviets. We approach them on this basis: We both recognize the nonproliferation treaty's not working, that half a dozen countries are on the brink of getting a bomb. Which can only cause trouble for the two of us. The deterrence of mutual assured destruction that prevents the United States and the USSR from nuking each other won't work on the level of an India-Pakistan nuclear exchange. Or a madman dictator with a briefcase-bomb team. The only answer is for the Big Two to make a deal now to step in and prevent the next generation of nations about to go nuclear from doing so. By whatever means necessary.
”Most of those [pre-nuclear] countries are in one form or another dominated by the U.S. and the Soviet Union," Trump says. ”Between those two nations you have the power to dominate any of those countries. So we should use our power of economic retaliation and they use their powers of retaliation and between the two of us we will prevent the problem from happening. It would have been better having done something five years ago," he says. ”But I believe even a country such as Pakistan would have to do something now. Five years from now they'll laugh."
”You think Pakistan would just fold? We wouldn't have to offer them anything in return?"
”Maybe we should offer them something. I'm saying you start off as nicely as possible. You apply as much pressure as necessary until you achieve the goal. You start off telling them, ‘Let's get rid of it.' If that doesn't work you then start cutting off aid. And more aid and then more. You do whatever is necessary so these people will have riots in the street, so they can't get water. So they can't get Band-Aids, so they can't get food. Because that's the only thing that's going to do it—the people, the riots."
More_Badass
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Yup. Right wing news fucks up these people's perception of facts and reality. Had a simultaneously disheartening and heartwarming discussion at dinner today, because my younger brother (14) decided to bring up climate change. My dad's a conservative who listens to Mark Levin religiously, so you know what his position is (it's all fake liberal propaganda, a conspiracy to deindustrialize the country, carbon dioxide emissions can't be harmful because plants need it to live, etc). And my brother was all like "What are your sources? What is your evidence? Why do you just believe that? You think you know better than my science teacher? Etc."
The whole "Obama is a king and the worst thing to ever happen to America" mindset is rubbing off on him, but seeing my brother actually display common sense and a logical critical perspective on the subject made me very happy.
You need to come to the realization that most people are actually kinda dumb. Take a visit to a call center and your head will hurt after a short while.
NullPointer
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The forthcoming details just get harder and harder to ignore. Welcome to Trumps watergate.
Gotta really give it up to that Chris Steele and his commitment.
Will be praying for his safety.
hydragonwarrior
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It doesn't take much to invoke fear + conspiracy in someone's mind, and especially if they're finding information from only one source. If their very existence depends on them trusting only one source of information, you will get dense people.
And these are the perfect viewers for Fox and the perfect voters for Republicans. It's horribly immoral, but it fucking works and they are almost completely permanent. They won't vote otherwise unless some life changing event happens to them.
I hope he got out of the UK. Probably already did.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
The key is that the FBI had it and sat on it for months. That's the revelation that is blowing this thing up. That's why the closed door meetings were so explosive. The FBI is compromised.
REPEAT: THE FBI HAD CREDIBLE INFORMATION THAT A MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE OF THE UNITED STATES WAS COMPROMISED AND POTENTIALLY CONDUCTING ESPIONAGE FOR RUSSIA AND NOT ONLY DID NOTHING TO STOP HIM, HURT HIS OPPONENT TO HELP HIM GET ELECTED.
Anyone wonder why Trump didn't 'want' those intel briefings at first?
Muppet of a Man
Member
Anyone now wonder why he said he wouldn't accept the result if he lost the election? The pieces are coming together.
krümelmonster
Neo Member
Yet there is no evidence...
ErasureAcer
Banned
It's also why he wasn't celebrating when he "won." And his 15 minute Obama meeting turned into something much longer as Trump looked dead when it came time for cameras.
I can't possibly see how the Govt and its apparatuses let him and his Russian pals take office. HOW?
SpaceCadetKeon
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Someone please spell these out for me, because clearly I am a dumb.
I'm... No longer so sure of that.
There are enough people who have been so mislead for so long by tv evangelists and fear mongering talk radio hosts they can't go back to an open minded discussion. Liberals haven't exactly helped themselves, either, dismissing the fears and beliefs of a large and stalwart population came at a high cost.
Youtube has shown me that far-right propaganda is already reaching near "Jesus Camp" levels around Trump, and he's not even been sworn in.
And if this did somehow change the minds of millions against Trump, their devotion to Pence would be even stronger. He's Palpatine.
Yeah, I found that aspect mindblowing - really curious to know what kind of politics are going on at the FBI.
Lazlo Woodbine
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Depressing that this is the level of 'critique' being lobbied by embittered backbench tories and their media stooges.Article said:
I'm going to guess the last part is a Daily Mail contribution. I fucking hate this country sometimes.
The problem with idiots is they're the least likely people to think of themselves as idiots, the more informed you are the more likely you are to realize the extent of what you don't know and aren't capable of and end up thinking of yourself as a bit of an idiot.
It's a seemingly unsolvable problem.
krümelmonster
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Still patiently waiting for any hard facts on this. All I can see here really is just a circlejerk over some badly researched conspiracy theory. And how TF is the fact, that Mr. Cohen evidently was not in Prague at the time of these alleged meetings, not in the OP?
This feels just bizarre.
krümelmonster;228336857 said:
Still patiently waiting for any hard facts on this. All I can see here really is just a circlejerk over some badly researched conspiracy theory. And how TF is the fact, that Mr. Cohen evidently was not in Prague at the time of these alleged meetings, not in the OP?
This feels just bizarre.
This covers my opinion on the matter:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-russia-story-reaches-a-crisis-point-w460806
There's either something truly crazy at the center of this, or it's truly crazy that it's being pushed this hard without evidence.
Either Trump is a traitor or he's being treated more unfairly than anyone ever has been in the history of the universe
I'd wager the former
But the emails.
krümelmonster;228336857 said:
Still patiently waiting for any hard facts on this. All I can see here really is just a circlejerk over some badly researched conspiracy theory. And how TF is the fact, that Mr. Cohen evidently was not in Prague at the time of these alleged meetings, not in the OP?
This feels just bizarre.
The document linked by Buzzfeed is not the centerpoint of the IC report or current investigation. It's the only thing however that citizens have access to at the moment. The fact that the IC presented a briefing and a newly formed senate investigative committee have been formed tend to imply there is merit to suspicion of Trump and his associates.
On the Cohen point, that was labeled as low reliability in the report but the fact that it turned out to be a DIFFERENT Cohen shows me the document was at least correctly categorizing its own intel.
In any case we're all just waiting for results.
krümelmonster;228336857 said:
Still patiently waiting for any hard facts on this. All I can see here really is just a circlejerk over some badly researched conspiracy theory. And how TF is the fact, that Mr. Cohen evidently was not in Prague at the time of these alleged meetings, not in the OP?
This feels just bizarre.
It's a lot of sound and fury at this point. Tons of allegations on top of rumors. And right before the inaugural. Press and politicians hanging their hat on this better pray there's something to it eventually because "Mr Steele has been reliable in the past" isn't gonna cut it.
ErasureAcer
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krümelmonster;228336857 said:
The dossier is not a dossier...it's not even a report. Just preliminary notes. Does that make it false? No. Does that make it true? No. Is the source respected? Yes. Did the seasoned MI-6 agent believe there was something to his discoveries? YES! There are plenty of other criminal things wrong with Trump if you take the dossier away. But why would you when he parrots Wikileaks and Russia and is their puppet. This is the President-Elect of the USA...but as others have said, he was vetted less than a cashier.
But let's forget the dossier if that's your hang up. Let's look at other crimes. Asking a foreign government to hack your political opponent during a campaign(check) and they do, refusing to meet the standards of President as defined in the Constitution with the emoluments clause(check), people on your campaign team (even if you aren't...but he is) that are Russian agents as seen in Manafort and Flynn(check). And the list goes on regarding his business ties/conflicts of interest.
The question you should be asking yourself is, why the hell are you krumelmonster defending a white nationalist Russian puppet(just look at what Trump parrots)?
ErasureAcer
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Let's all travel back in time to August 8, 2016. The place the Charlie Rose show. The guest, former director of the CIA Mike Morell(under Obama).
The former deputy CIA director at the time says:
"Trump's been recruited. Unwitting(he has to say that without detailing the case which isn't going to happen on the Charlie Rose show). [Rose interrupts] Unwitting agent of the (Russian) Federation. That's why he's taken the positions he's taken."
The former deputy CIA director at the time says:
"Trump's been recruited. Unwitting(he has to say that without detailing the case which isn't going to happen on the Charlie Rose show). [Rose interrupts] Unwitting agent of the (Russian) Federation. That's why he's taken the positions he's taken."
If a newspaper can contact him and interview him, I am pretty sure those who want him killed would have killed him by now.
So he dont have to fear for anything I guess.
He's kinda untouchable at this point. If you kill him, if he commits suicide, gets in a freak accident, Russia and Trump look more guilty.
Yea, at this point, the dossier was merely the kick-off point. It brought together disparate reporting and suspicions many have had since Paul Manafort came onto the campaign and they changed the wording on the annexation of Crimea sanctions with the RNC.
Now, the dossier has seemingly led to further unraveling and more information and investigation being done, connecting the dots from Mother Jone's October article about the MI6 agent, the infamous Trumpland article and Politico's report on Ukraine's effort to try and help Hillary Clinton.
Culminating this week in the reveals about Michael Flynn and his communications with Russians and the credibility about this MI6 agent being constantly vouched for.
And the final note on this is the double whammy announcement these last two days of the investigation into the FBI and Director Comey's actions and the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee deciding to investigate Russian involvement in the election, including the Trump campaign and them working with Russia.
I think it's become clear that something big is happening. It's just a matter of nailing it down.
krümelmonster;228336857 said:
Still patiently waiting for any hard facts on this. All I can see here really is just a circlejerk over some badly researched conspiracy theory. And how TF is the fact, that Mr. Cohen evidently was not in Prague at the time of these alleged meetings, not in the OP?
This feels just bizarre.
You think you're fooling anyone with this?
Basically just a different version of "just asking questions bro"
Morrigan Stark
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I don't know about that. Could be you're right, but... I'm as anti-Trump as it gets and I believe there's truth to all of this, but the fact does remain that we haven't had the smoking gun yet, so it's all hearsay and circumstantial evidence.
I mean it's looking really really bad and I don't believe for a second that Trump is innocent. But I really fucking want to see the hard evidence some time soon.
I'm probably just being impatient though, I'm guessing this will take time to fully unravel.
He has stayed quiet so far.
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The Cohen aspect to all of this was noted by Steele to be the flimsiest dot connection. However, Cohen *was* in a Schengen nation around the same time he is alleged to have met with Russians.
As a German you should be well aware of this possibility, that he travelled from Italy to another European meeting point during this time without there being any official record of it. It's not evidence, and we're all awaiting facts, but as I said, it's really an extremely minor point in a massive tapestry of strange conduct.
(Today, 04:33 AM)krümelmonster;228336379 said:
You seem about as patient as Flynn's Russian deal-making.krümelmonster;228336857 said:
The Cohen aspect to all of this was noted by Steele to be the flimsiest dot connection. However, Cohen *was* in a Schengen nation around the same time he is alleged to have met with Russians.
As a German you should be well aware of this possibility, that he travelled from Italy to another European meeting point during this time without there being any official record of it. It's not evidence, and we're all awaiting facts, but as I said, it's really an extremely minor point in a massive tapestry of strange conduct.
There have been some really in depth posts here and at PoliGAF, but to sum it up:
There is a metric fuckton of smoke. An assload of smoke. Looking at everything Trump has said and done, the tax returns, his nominations, all of the circumstantial evidence, the list goes on and on and on. To even suggest that this is all nothing makes me just think the person saying it is a Trump supporter.
It's totally possible and probably even likely that no hard evidence comes from this, but anyone with two brain cells knows Trump is into some shady shit with Putin. He refuses to ever say a negative word about him. The only people he's that nice to is his family.
Infinite Stars
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Oh hey, you seem familiar, was this you a few weeks ago?krümelmonster;228336379 said:
(text is google translated from the Deutschland OT)
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228103863
Oh, this was also also you, wasn't it?
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228102235
I might be missing something, but it sure is weird how you call Merkel the enemy and support the totally not Alt- right Afd.
Waldo Lydecker
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This Independent article about the FBI sitting on the report for months, the role of Guiliani, stupid Tory MP's etc etc....
IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!
Hope justice is served.
IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!
Hope justice is served.
Le Colonel
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I'll grab a polonium macchiato and we'll talk about that in a minute.
wesleyshark
Banned
He's voiced some hard line concerns over Russia before (as recent as this week), so I'm hoping he puts his money where his mouth is, should enough evidence be discovered in this investigation.
krümelmonster
Neo Member
First off, yeah that's me. Also it's not a few weeks but a few days ago. As you may know Google Translate is shit. So I understand you got lost in translation.
I never said Merkel was the enemy and never doubted AfD's right tendency. I argued for everyone screaming Nazi/racist/whatever towards anybody who's not in support of Merkel's stupid open borders policy to calm their tits and try to look at things from their counterparts perspective.
Let's stop discrediting each other. Moving on.
I find this General Michael T. Flynn character quite fascinating. Per wikipedia:
About his sweeping changes to the DIA:
More wikipedia:
What it sounds like to me is that over a very long period of service Flynn grew disillusioned by Islamic terrorism and -- perhaps while in contact with Russia over the years -- was probably fed a lot of propaganda-like falsehoods (or shall we say, dubious claims) about the emerging quagmire in Syria and felt that Putin was reasonable, in his eyes, to want Assad to remain in control. But of course, Putin has his own motivations for wanting to prop up Assad (its arms sales* to Assad's Syrian Armed Forces, energy sales, and the position of the Tartus naval facility).
*Majority-stock-owned state-run arms companies:
KBM
Sokol
Almaz-Antey
Votkinsk
United Aircraft Corporation
Right there you have billions of dollars of military contracts from Assad, and the employment of hundreds of thousands of Russians.
Essentially, the bombing of innocents in hospitals in Syria was because self-appointed Putin needs the money and employment opportunities to placate his people and retain power. And that's the same reason Putin is getting into bed with Trump, Flynn and Tillerson and company, because they will help improve Putin's economy and will strengthen his grip on the nation.
See also: Why Russia Supports Assad (NYT) and Russian Involvement in the Syrian War (Wikipedia)
I find this General Michael T. Flynn character quite fascinating. Per wikipedia:
About his sweeping changes to the DIA:
More wikipedia:
What it sounds like to me is that over a very long period of service Flynn grew disillusioned by Islamic terrorism and -- perhaps while in contact with Russia over the years -- was probably fed a lot of propaganda-like falsehoods (or shall we say, dubious claims) about the emerging quagmire in Syria and felt that Putin was reasonable, in his eyes, to want Assad to remain in control. But of course, Putin has his own motivations for wanting to prop up Assad (its arms sales* to Assad's Syrian Armed Forces, energy sales, and the position of the Tartus naval facility).
*Majority-stock-owned state-run arms companies:
KBM
Sokol
Almaz-Antey
Votkinsk
United Aircraft Corporation
Right there you have billions of dollars of military contracts from Assad, and the employment of hundreds of thousands of Russians.
Essentially, the bombing of innocents in hospitals in Syria was because self-appointed Putin needs the money and employment opportunities to placate his people and retain power. And that's the same reason Putin is getting into bed with Trump, Flynn and Tillerson and company, because they will help improve Putin's economy and will strengthen his grip on the nation.
See also: Why Russia Supports Assad (NYT) and Russian Involvement in the Syrian War (Wikipedia)
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