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Republican Debate 10 [CNN] Super Tuesday Bros. Melee
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Joe Shlabotnik
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He's literally the mirror image of a politician. He bullshits about everything and anything except for certain things politicians avoid saying out of decorum and mutually beneficial interests.
he doesn't have a plan. He has only released plans for 5 issues, none of which are healthcare. Still, that puts him inline with every other repeal-and-replace republican
So yeah, "make helathcare grea again (mechanics tbd)"
but at least people won't be dying in the streets
DragonSworne
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How is this different than Rubio, Kasich, Cruz, etc?
Trump at least has some populist ideas instead of spewing batshit insane policies that the other candidates are doing 100%.
Trump is the closest thing to a moderate the republicans have unfortunately. But regardless of who wins the republican nominee, Bernie should be able to beat them.
I see Hillary having a really tough time with Trump
shadowsdarknes
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Trump really seemed like the only sane one worth having even if he is so vague.
To Rubio and Cruz: Not everyone cares to be part of the Reagan revolution. They are just towing the party line in the same sense Americans hate about party politics. Conservative ideological purity will only get you so far on a national stage.
To Rubio and Cruz: Not everyone cares to be part of the Reagan revolution. They are just towing the party line in the same sense Americans hate about party politics. Conservative ideological purity will only get you so far on a national stage.
It's not different than the other candidates, which was the point. People keep talking about him being so "real" when he's not doing anything differently than almost any other politician, he just directly insults people more and doesn't fake like he's humble.
A large part of his "realness" stems from Cruz and Rubio doing their best to stick to the standard GOP stance on almost all of the issues (as shadowsdarknes pointed out). Meanwhile, Trump is clearly espousing opinions that originated in his own head, not in some GOP planning room (e.g. his various immigration plans, Planned Parenthood, Israel, etc.). And when people call him out on not having a standard GOP stance, he doubles down on them.
It might be calculated, but it definitely comes off as less calculated than Rubio/Cruz.
Calamari41
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I mentioned this in another thread, but I definitely think this is an understated Trump advantage going forward. He doesn't have to sit there and defend unpopular GOP stances in the general election. He can pick and choose what will make people across all spectrums like him. I mean, how would Romney have done if he had been believably pro gay marriage, pro Planned Parenthood (minus the abortions), viciously anti-Bush and anti-Iraq, etc? I don't know if he would have won, but he certainly would have done a heck of a lot better.
Not the first comparison to Gil in politics.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/jon-stewart-when-did-president-united-states-turn-gil-simpsons
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Trump has no shot in the general, don't kid yourselves. Hillary is not going to let him bloviate unchallenged for months and months before taking him on. He'll probably do better than some expect, but he's not going to flip the states that matter.
Karsticles
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It depends on what happens to Sanders' base.
Calamari41
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Hillary should definitely be favored, without a doubt. But if Trump can flip some of the traditionally Democratic white blue collar union vote in the rust belt while seeing African American turnout down compared to the years when the popular first black president was running, well, he will be dangerous. 100% Latino turnout against him in California, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico won't change the map from 2012.
Voysa Reezun
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I'm just not seeing how he gets to 270, though.
I'm playing with the electoral map - even if you flip PA, IA, and OH, which probably won't happen, Trump needs FL which has a heavy Latino population that, contrary to popular belief, is not all conservative Cuban voters.
Flip FL and OH and Trump still needs PA or IA, both of which have been blue since Clinton, IIRC.
He would have to flip A LOT of states all at once just to scrape by, and the demographics for those states mean that it's going to be hard for him to flip all of them.
Also remember that Trump's got white working class voters' economic concerns in mind, but the unions still love Hillary and she can pivot to talking in a broadly economic populist manner too (and she most certainly will) in the general.
Nooooo. ;_;
Oh god, that'd be awful.
Young people? What would happen among that voting demographic that would shape the race? I'm not seeing, logically, how Clinton looses Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida, even if the youth and young adult vote dips to 1996 levels.
His idea is that once insurance companies have to compete against each other across state lines then prices will naturally go down. That IS the crux of his plan. Still keep insurance companies, but drive prices downward by increasing competition.
What additional details are people expecting? What candidate has a more detailed healthcare plan than that?
I still can't believe that part of the debate happened.
"What's your plan?"
"You'll be able to choose your plan!"
"But what's your plan?!"
"YOU'LL HAVE SO MANY PLANS TO CHOOSE FROM!!"
Like, I literally can't believe it. Did I misunderstand what was going on lol?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Rubio is smart enough to know allowing national competition won't pay for no pre-existing conditions. Trump also knows this, but is remaining vague on the rest of his plan, likely because he'll use it to pivot to the center a bit in the general.
Ziltoidia 9
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Really? We're back to debating pre-existing conditions?
Calamari41
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If I recall, Trump's answer to pre-existing conditions was that the insurance fat cats "can afford it." That's not too bad of an answer for the current political climate.
It was a misunderstanding. Trump thought they were talking about the plans offered by insurance companies, while Rubio and the moderator were asking about his plan to replace Obamacare.
Trump even said "the companies will offer many different plans" or something like that.
This is his stance on health care, from one of his books:
I think he may go that far in the general election, and it's still consistent with what he's been saying.
Sirpopopop
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If Bernie can't beat Hillary, what makes you think he's more capable to handle the Republicans?
Exactly. He is saying oddly what most people probably believe: insurance companies make a fortune because the climate they are in doesn't promote competition and they can do anything they want. Of course insurance companies say they can't afford pre existing, but they will say whatever they need to in order to preserve their fat income. Add competition to the mix and you might find they can afford it after all
Prodigal Son
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Good golly geez
Not saying he's more capable of handling the republicans but you should know primary results are seldom indicative of general results. He may not be some democrats first choice but of course they'd vote for him over Trump. For example, you'd have to hold a gun to me for me to willingly vote for Hillary Clinton in a primary. Doesn't mean I won't vote for her in November.
Calamari41
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Everyone in the country watches their premiums increase by double digit percentages every year while copays and deductibles go up, and they themselves aren't consuming any more healthcare year by year. People definitely know what's up, and it's not insurance executives/investors starving and living paycheck to paycheck.
BoboBrazil
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A Human Becoming
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Thank you.
Now that I'm sober and only have a light headache this morning, I like Rubio did a good job calling out Trump for his questionable history. All hail the anti-Trump!
Would be hilarious but I'm going to take the chancy bet that he's picking a VP.
BoboBrazil
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Probably Texas politician. I'm guessing Texas senator John Cornyn lol.
No problem. Not my gif though, found it in poligaf. Not sure who made it.
Unknown Soldier
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They really don't. There is a lot of discontent in the union rank and file and it would be really easy for Trump to peel off the membership even if the leadership endorses Hillary.
Slayven better use this in his OT.
Can he even do that before winning the nomination?
Calamari41
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Yeah. I believe Reagan did so in '76.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I would be shocked. To me, union folks voting republican is about as likely as KKK members voting for Obama.
I think the biggest issue I heard about the states lines it that like in the banking industry. Where all of the insurance companies will go to the state with the weakest regulations and rules and it could end up being worst than it is now.
Calamari41
41 > 38
That's just it, though. They'd be voting Trump, not Republican. Trump has run against the GOP more than he's run against anything having to do with the Democrats.
The guy went into Bush Country (South Carolina) and, red faced, said essentially that Bush was responsible for 9/11. And then blew everyone else away in the state.
Several unions have already endorsed Trump!
Yeah, out of all the things to press Trump on, I'm baffled Rubio chose that one.
Also Trump be Trumpin' on Twitter right now: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump?lang=en
balladofwindfishes
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He needs more than just a few "peel offs" to win. Like, he needs the entire union, of all races, to vote for him.
Looking at Twitter a bit, JEB hasn't tweeted anything since he dropped out. Someone should probably check on him.
Calamari41
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It's a great brand to hit him with. I mean, yeah, Rubio is polling ahead of Hillary in too-early GE polls... but does anybody doubt that he would choke and fail to close the deal? He's running on the fact that he beats Hillary, and this cuts straight to the issue everybody subconsciously or consciously has with that.
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