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[Redneckerz]

I thought neogaf is now like this according to them

Well, atleast GAF gets things done, just like the Nazi's. But unlike the Nazi's, NewGAF does not have a single unified End Game that the site is striving towards to.

The biggest issue is more so that everything has to devolve into this extremely negative mudslide around topics that you wouldn't bring up at the coffee corner at work. What they cater at and fight for are specifics. More often than not it revolves around a minority that granted, is not having an easy time when you are from the US. But their solution to that is to make everyone else around them feel as miserable as they are.

That's not what you should strive for as a site. What you would want, is to make these issues, which i acknowledge are very real (Coming out, Trans issues, and so on) open. That you invite proponents and pockets of dissent to the table and when at the table, only one rule counts: Introduce yourself, and CONVERSE.

Not just slingshotting endless perpetuated nagging, complaining and moaning about a damn joke or someone's personal interests or even how someone names a group of women females, but providing a healthy and stable platform for pro-and opponents alike. Moderate with quality, not with quantity or picked out of the group for equality purposes. Your gender should be completely irrelevant when you are supposed to moderate the site, and it certainly shouldn't be the starting point from which you do your actioning. The last thing any site would want to strive for is when its people are scared to post in fear of repercussions.

Acceptance in general never is an attainable goal when you force your policies down the throats of your people. That's one thing the marching squad above never learned.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

What good is freedom of speech without the diverse community to go with it?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I thought it was odd that in the post over there about the whole NiKe /Kaepernick deal (I see both sides and I don't care), which has been a polarizing topic, but EVERY post was pro-Kaepernick and pro-Nike. Not ONE anti-Kaepernick rant. Blew my mind. Very coincidental that all 15 pages of posts are positive on this. Just sayin'

Pro-SweatShop Brand! The mere embodiment of what a capitalistic megalith they so despise, is.

Amazing how something they would be hard up to call out, get's a pass because of their brand of IdPol. They have zero moral consistency.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

I am not a professional but I have a heartbreaking amount of personal experience with what I'm about to propose, so take it from that (limited) perspective of course:

It's narcissistic personality disorder. There has been a steep rise (or perhaps just a sharp "realization") in the LGBTQ+ community concerning this exact issue over the past decade. Vulnerable people who joined the community in order to find identity and support were instead given a leash and abused by outspoken, prominent members. There has been a rise of "getting rid of the toxic people in your life" among my Left friends over the past several years. People are realizing that within any movement -- even movements aimed at bringing harmony, equality, positive image, etc -- there will be wolves. There will always be wolves.

And unlike other groups who've had to protect themselves against wolves for hundreds of years, the LGBTQ+ community and radical Left-leaning Progressive community are pretty new to this. They have a simplified, naive view of how these things go. It's often why you'll get nothing but blank stares when you mention historical events that mirror their own behavior (many of them are not well-educated people, objectively speaking).

These communities on "the Left" are experiencing what is called "the discard phase" in an abusive narcissistic relationship. Former allies who had a prominent voice (blacks, gays, cis white women) are being shushed in favor of people higher on the identity totem pole. Why? Because their identity isn't "worth" as much to the narcissist who is only doing this to feed on emotional energy.

(and I do want to make the distinction: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is more than just "a huge ego". It is a non-hereditary mental condition typically brought on by traumatic and sustained childhood abuse. It is characterized by a person who will lie, smile, scream, humiliate, mock, flatter, ignore, and obsess over a person for the sole purpose of extracting their "drama" i.e. get them riled up or make them swoon. It makes no difference to the narcissist if the attention is positive or negative. They just want attention.)

This probably has a lot to do with the whole sudden onset gender dysphoria thing. You take an individual who is going through issues feeling accepted, then you get some narcissist online feeding their typical youthful insecurity and hormonal changes, and then suddenly you get groups of young people declaring they are trans or non-binary or whatever else is trendy these days and force that square peg of their new identity into a round hole. Hence the insecurity that seems to come hand in hand with it - because it isn't natural. This new identity is just as fragile as what they had before, but now they have a group to identify with and some influencers telling them that if they just do this one more thing they will feel better.

This means that any thing contrary to their belief is a personal attack (like religion or race type politics as well), and they don't want to hear it.

 

[LOLCats]

buncha' rich privileged kids over there. Doesn't surprise me. Eventually they will ban each other into nothingness.

 

[HyGogg]

I am not a professional but I have a heartbreaking amount of personal experience with what I'm about to propose, so take it from that (limited) perspective of course:

It's narcissistic personality disorder. There has been a steep rise (or perhaps just a sharp "realization") in the LGBTQ+ community concerning this exact issue over the past decade. Vulnerable people who joined the community in order to find identity and support were instead given a leash and abused by outspoken, prominent members. There has been a rise of "getting rid of the toxic people in your life" among my Left friends over the past several years. People are realizing that within any movement -- even movements aimed at bringing harmony, equality, positive image, etc -- there will be wolves. There will always be wolves.

And unlike other groups who've had to protect themselves against wolves for hundreds of years, the LGBTQ+ community and radical Left-leaning Progressive community are pretty new to this. They have a simplified, naive view of how these things go. It's often why you'll get nothing but blank stares when you mention historical events that mirror their own behavior (many of them are not well-educated people, objectively speaking).

These communities on "the Left" are experiencing what is called "the discard phase" in an abusive narcissistic relationship. Former allies who had a prominent voice (blacks, gays, cis white women) are being shushed in favor of people higher on the identity totem pole. Why? Because their identity isn't "worth" as much to the narcissist who is only doing this to feed on emotional energy.

(and I do want to make the distinction: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is more than just "a huge ego". It is a non-hereditary mental condition typically brought on by traumatic and sustained childhood abuse. It is characterized by a person who will lie, smile, scream, humiliate, mock, flatter, ignore, and obsess over a person for the sole purpose of extracting their "drama" i.e. get them riled up or make them swoon. It makes no difference to the narcissist if the attention is positive or negative. They just want attention.)

I think you're mythologizing this a bit based on talking points the right likes to use to discredit intersectionalism. I get the broader point you're making but I disagree with how you're formulating it.

None of this about pulling rank on some identity totem pole. It isn't really about narcissism in the clinical sense, either. But there's a kind of performative outrage that goes on in left-leaning circles, where people feel a sense or righteousness and pride when successfully managing to shame someone else publicly. And because of this they'll bend over backwards to turn any discussion into "an invalidation of their right to life" or some melodramatic hyperbole. Shame is the real heart of it, they want to reframe what you said as something shameful. I'm quite left leaning and pretty restrained when I debate and they do it to me, too.

It's really just plain old grandstanding. Social media kind of rewards this sort of thing with attention and likes, and people get wired into that sort of reward system. There's a bit of it on the other side too where people get addicted to negative feedback so they say outrageous and stupid things in the name of being "politcally incorrect" and find some gratification in that.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Not in the way it did, though. It's a bit of an angry boys club now. The moderation has gotten better but the community itself has suffered some pretty big losses.

I was a part of GAF for 3 years leading up to the "fallout" last year. I simply do not see the "angry boys club" that you are describing. At most, I see the anger on this place as a sort of release-valve for pent-up frustration that has been brewing here at GAF as well as the internet at large.

What good is freedom of speech without the diverse community to go with it?

Honest question: what would be the hallmark of a "diverse community"? Since we're all faceless people typing through a webforum, wouldn't the biggest indicator be a diversity of opinion? I think we get exactly that here. You and I might brush elbows in other threads and disagree on some topics but agree on others. And neither of us gets banned and neither of us feels the compulsion to block the other. That is diversity.

 

[Green Saber]

Well, atleast GAF gets things done, just like the Nazi's. But unlike the Nazi's, NewGAF does not have a single unified End Game that the site is striving towards to.

The biggest issue is more so that everything has to devolve into this extremely negative mudslide around topics that you wouldn't bring up at the coffee corner at work. What they cater and fight for are specifics. More often than nothing it revolves around a minority that granted, is not having an easy time when you are from the US. But their solution to that is to make everyone else around them as miserable as they are.

That's not what you should strive for as a site. What you would want, is to make these issues, which i acknowledge are very real (Coming out, Trans issues, and so on) open. That you invite proponents and pockets of dissent to the table and when at the table, only one rule counts: Introduce yourself, and CONVERSE.

Not just slingshotting endless perpetuated nagging, complaining and moaning about a damn joke or someone's personal interests or even how someone names a group of women females, but providing a healthy and stable platform for pro-and opponents alike. Moderate with quality, not with quantity or picked out of the group for equality purposes. Your gender should be completely irrelevant when you are supposed to moderate the site, and it certainly shouldn't be the starting point from which you do your actioning. The last thing any site would want to strive for is when its people are scared to post in fear of repercussions.

Acceptance in general never is an attainable goal when you force your policies down the throats of your people. That's one thing the marching squad above never learned.

Great post.

 

[HyGogg]

Honest question: what would be the hallmark of a "diverse community"? Since we're all faceless people typing through a webforum, wouldn't the biggest indicator be a diversity of opinion? I think we get exactly that here. You and I might brush elbows in other threads and disagree on some topics but agree on others. And neither of us gets banned and neither of us feels the compulsion to block the other. That is diversity.

Yes, I mean diversity of thought, although that includes perspectives and experiences, not just opinions. It feels like there's less of that here than there used to be before the split. Which isn't to say it's an echo chamber, because it certainly isn't, but there's a tangible sense that there's a lot of voices missing.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I think you're mythologizing this a bit based on talking points the right likes to use to discredit intersectionalism. I get the broader point you're making but I disagree with how you're formulating it.

I'm not basing it on "talking points" at all. I'm basing it as someone who has personally had to deal with not one but two NPDs over the course of a decade and who personally experienced the heart-wrenching destruction caused by that sort of relationship. My wife had it worse than me since it was her parents. I'll leave it at that unless you'd like details over PM.

None of this about pulling rank on some identity totem pole. It isn't really about narcissism in the clinical sense, either. But there's a kind of performative outrage that goes on in left-leaning circles, where people feel a sense or righteousness and pride when successfully managing to shame someone else publicly.

I agree that it isn't not always a conscious "pulling rank", but I think that is a part of it. The person might not be tallying up in their head "okay, this person is black and gay and disabled and trans. I'll pick them as my new ally", but we are social creatures. We have a nuanced way of forming in-groups and out-groups. When you see conservative black voices being shouted down and insulted, it tells me that 'black' is no longer as high up on the totem pole as it once was during the 80s and 90s.

And because of this they'll bend over backwards to turn any discussion into "an invalidation of their right to life" or some melodramatic hyperbole. Shame is the real heart of it, they want to reframe what you said as something shameful. I'm quite left leaning and pretty restrained when I debate and they do it to me, too.

Good insight. Shame is also central to an abusive narcissistic relationship, so perhaps that's why I make the connection.

It's really just plain old grandstanding. Social media kind of rewards this sort of thing with attention and likes, and people get wired into that sort of reward system.

Yes, and it's the food source for narcissists. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that "plain old grandstanding" is precisely what narcissists will resort to if it gives them the attention and energy they're craving. But it goes beyond just being an attention-hog. They're not merely trying to get the limelight. They're trying to extract the limelight forcefully from the people around them at the highest cost of emotion.

There's a bit of it on the other side too where people get addicted to negative feedback so they say outrageous and stupid things in the name of being "politcally incorrect" and find some gratification in that.

Yep. Agree with you here. That sort of juvenile behavior doesn't help things at all, either.

Yes, I mean diversity of thought, although that includes perspectives and experiences, not just opinions. It feels like there's less of that here than there used to be before the split. Which isn't to say it's an echo chamber, because it certainly isn't, but there's a tangible sense that there's a lot of voices missing.

People should post more. At the core, I feel like the diversity of opinion, ideas, perspectives, and experiences (the whole ball o' wax) is presently here at GAF. I just think some of them speak up less than others.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

But this place used to be an echo chamber though...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yes, I mean diversity of thought, although that includes perspectives and experiences, not just opinions. It feels like there's less of that here than there used to be before the split. Which isn't to say it's an echo chamber, because it certainly isn't, but there's a tangible sense that there's a lot of voices missing.

There was no more "diversity" than there is now. In fact, I argue that it is more diverse since the "echo-chamber" GAF was known for, flew the coop.

But this place used to be an echo chamber though...

Exactly.

 

[tkscz]

I am not a professional but I have a heartbreaking amount of personal experience with what I'm about to propose, so take it from that (limited) perspective of course:

It's narcissistic personality disorder. There has been a steep rise (or perhaps just a sharp "realization") in the LGBTQ+ community concerning this exact issue over the past decade. Vulnerable people who joined the community in order to find identity and support were instead given a leash and abused by outspoken, prominent members. There has been a rise of "getting rid of the toxic people in your life" among my Left friends over the past several years. People are realizing that within any movement -- even movements aimed at bringing harmony, equality, positive image, etc -- there will be wolves. There will always be wolves.

And unlike other groups who've had to protect themselves against wolves for hundreds of years, the LGBTQ+ community and radical Left-leaning Progressive community are pretty new to this. They have a simplified, naive view of how these things go. It's often why you'll get nothing but blank stares when you mention historical events that mirror their own behavior (many of them are not well-educated people, objectively speaking).

These communities on "the Left" are experiencing what is called "the discard phase" in an abusive narcissistic relationship. Former allies who had a prominent voice (blacks, gays, cis white women) are being shushed in favor of people higher on the identity totem pole. Why? Because their identity isn't "worth" as much to the narcissist who is only doing this to feed on emotional energy.

(and I do want to make the distinction: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is more than just "a huge ego". It is a non-hereditary mental condition typically brought on by traumatic and sustained childhood abuse. It is characterized by a person who will lie, smile, scream, humiliate, mock, flatter, ignore, and obsess over a person for the sole purpose of extracting their "drama" i.e. get them riled up or make them swoon. It makes no difference to the narcissist if the attention is positive or negative. They just want attention.)

This is incredibly accurate to how they tend to act.

 

[Zangiefy360]

I've been on a long time lurker on both forums. Lately, I've been spending more of my free time here and less on Restera despite the higher post volumes.

On Restera, I feel like I'm binge watching an incredibly formulaic show. I know exactly how each post will go the second it is posted. The lack of actual back and forth conversation keeps things stagnant. Predictability is one of the worst traps a community can fall into and it sounds like a number of their members are starting to realize that.

 

[HyGogg]

I'm not basing it on "talking points" at all. I'm basing it as someone who has personally had to deal with not one but two NPDs over the course of a decade and who personally experienced the heart-wrenching destruction caused by that sort of relationship. My wife had it worse than me since it was her parents. I'll leave it at that unless you'd like details over PM.

My sympathies. My ex had BPD and NPD, and my mother is undiagnosed but has a lot of features. I can relate to the damage it does and the patterns of abuse it leads to. I just don't think it's a helpful generalization of the people who grandstand on social media.

The "talking point" reference wasn't about that, it was about the next part:

I agree that it isn't not always a conscious "pulling rank", but I think that is a part of it. The person might not be tallying up in their head "okay, this person is black and gay and disabled and trans. I'll pick them as my new ally", but we are social creatures. We have a nuanced way of forming in-groups and out-groups. When you see conservative black voices being shouted down and insulted, it tells me that 'black' is no longer as high up on the totem pole as it once was during the 80s and 90s.

This exact thing is something Milo Yainnopolous and Ben Shapiro like to repeat a lot, and that's why I called it a talking point. I really don't think it's accurate at all.

I see people of all races (and people who don't identify their race/identity at all) engaging in this sort of perfomative outrage. I don't think it has anything to do with identity cachet in the way you're suggesting. People might sometimes whip their identity out as a shield, but it doesn't fit the pattern you're describing. Shame politics are more about characterizing the other person as evil than it is dismissing them based on their identity. Especially on a forum where most people aren't likely to know your identity.

Good insight. Shame is also central to an abusive narcissistic relationship, so perhaps that's why I make the connection.

Manipulative behavior in general, but that hardly belongs to narcissists alone. I'm not really saying that people with NPD don't do this, I'm saying it's much bigger than just them.

 

[Frozen Bagel]

This is not new; It's what happens when you build off a foundation of self righteousness & a pool of "victims". Course, the political subsection is something else entirely.

 

[Green Saber]

I argue that it is more diverse since the "echo-chamber" GAF was known for, flew the coop.

So true, on here different opinions are welcomed, at the other place you either go with the flow or you get hounded by the members and then either warned or banned, that is not the way a forum should operate.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

My sympathies. My ex had BPD and NPD, and my mother is undiagnosed but has a lot of features. I can relate to the damage it does. I just don't think it's a helpful generalization of the people who grandstand on social media.

The "talking point" reference wasn't about that, it was about the next part:

This exactly thing is something Milo Yainnopolous and Ben Shapiro like to repeat a lot, and that's why I called it a talking point. I really don't think it's accurate at all.

I see people of all races (and people who don't identify their race/identity at all) engaging in this sort of perfomative outrage. I don't think it has anything to do with identity cachet in the way you're suggesting. People might sometimes whip their identity out as a shield, but it doesn't fit the pattern you're describing. Shame politics are more about characterizing the other person as evil than it is dismissing them based on their identity. Especially on a forum where most people aren't likely to know your identity.

Manipulative behavior in general, but that hardly belongs to narcissists alone. I'm not really saying that people with NPD don't do this, I'm saying it's much bigger than just them.

Sure. It sounds like we agree in principle and perhaps just see the degree to which this is prevalent a bit differently. I agree with all your points.

 

[Insane Metal]

Lol. I'm glad I just kept out of all the shitstorm that went on and stayed here.

Not gonna lie, I wanted to move to Era in the beginning, simply because everyone at the time was doing so. But just a few weeks ago I looked over that place and it seemed so blank. I'm just glad to be here.

 

[Redneckerz]

Yes, I mean diversity of thought, although that includes perspectives and experiences, not just opinions. It feels like there's less of that here than there used to be before the split. Which isn't to say it's an echo chamber, because it certainly isn't, but there's a tangible sense that there's a lot of voices missing.

What this whole story actually revolves around is that people with geniune issues are trickled into this safe space and get all the freedom to call out and be aggressive against others, when really, the focus should be on helping these users get the help IRL that they need, instead of creating a safe space for unresolved trauma's.

All they are achieving with providing that space is that people with geniune issues feel less inclined to seek proper care, after all, they have a forum where they can speak their minds to, instead of the (proper) therapist they should do so.

 

[mustardman]

I too like to pat myself on the back for internet forums I'm not apart of. I thought all ResetEra chat was limited to one thread?

Anyways, RE has its problems, NewGAF has it's own set of problems. Probably good if we don't succumb to groupthink and self reflect instead.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

What bothers me a lot is how often Americans frame a persons outlook on life into a purely political thing.

I am both fairly liberal on politics and socially, but to me Era is politically liberal and extremely socially conservative. That isn’t ‘liberal’ at all. Liberal to me is nothat particularly giving a shit what others are into if they arent hurting anyone.

The population views itself as all welcoming and inclusive but I can’t skip the feeling it’s solely run by an extremely catty group of 20 year old first year university transsexuals. And while there is nothing wrong with any of that, this particular group feels like a pack of fuckin assholes. I suspect a good part of the admin/moderation team has moderate to severe issues functioning in the real world and are seeking to build something virtually, which simply doesn’t work.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I too like to pat myself on the back for internet forums I'm not apart of. I thought all ResetEra chat was limited to one thread?

Anyways, RE has its problems, NewGAF has it's own set of problems. Probably good if we don't succumb to groupthink and self reflect instead.

Discussing what has happened at ERA is a method of self-reflection, since it shines a lot of light on the narrative of what went down. How can GAF hope to improve unless it addresses its demons that caused it to get to this state? I'm not sure what alternatives there are.

Old narrative: NeoGAF was bigoted and evil and lacking all diversity because of the actions of Evilore. Time to find a new forum.

Emerging narrative: the people responsible for a large proportion of the problems on NeoGAF went to start their own, sterile forum and the same problem emerges. Hmm...

I don't really have my heart bound up in the drama. I am a curious observer. I felt like I lost very little when I was banned ("Oh well, this is clearly not the community for me" was my reaction). But I do find it strange how posters like you seem to be trying to "keep things in check" with comments about how NeoGAF has "it's own set of problems" and while providing implications and advices on how we should be wary of succumbing to "groupthink".

If you have particular examples, speak up.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

I've been on a long time lurker on both forums. Lately, I've been spending more of my free time here and less on Restera despite the higher post volumes.

On Restera, I feel like I'm binge watching an incredibly formulaic show. I know exactly how each post will go the second it is posted. The lack of actual back and forth conversation keeps things stagnant. Predictability is one of the worst traps a community can fall into and it sounds like a number of their members are starting to realize that.

Massively censored areas are self-defeating. Reality is not like that. Game of Thrones? Even those places with high culture, those heavily censored pompous constant praise social environments are cutthroat beneath it all, even in real life.

Speech will occur either out in the open or behind closed doors, you cannot police thought and ideas, but more importantly you cannot police facts. If there is evidence behind a statement, event or fact, many people will recognize and accept such even if they deny it in public.

The fact is the censorship is often not to try and block controversial opinions, but controversial facts, it is an attempt to block out reality. But

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”
-― Philip K. Dick

You can block the counterarguments in a debate about facts of the real world, but no matter how much you disbelief, no matter how much you deny, the real world facts, the truth will still be there in the end. You can block an opinion, or close your eyes, or cover your ears, but the world remains unchanged by your denial.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I too like to pat myself on the back for internet forums I'm not apart of. I thought all ResetEra chat was limited to one thread?

Anyways, RE has its problems, NewGAF has it's own set of problems. Probably good if we don't succumb to groupthink and self reflect instead.

New news, new thread.

And do you ever stop complaining about people discussing RE?

 

[MayauMiao]

This is not new; It's what happens when you build off a foundation of self righteousness & a pool of "victims". Course, the political subsection is something else entirely.

Look at what happened to Wil Wheaton. His own echo chamber destroyed him.

 

[dolabla]

I've said this since the first day I found out that forum was being created, I would not touch that place with a 10 foot pole. I'll read over there sometimes to laugh at how outrageous they can get, but it's an insane asylum turned up 100 notches. From the mods to the posters (not all of course; the sane ones can come back). I was always going to stick around this place to try and help rebuild the community along with the other folks that decided to stay.

 

[Drake]

Some of the best days on this forum were right after the shit storm with EvilLore and all of the super SJW mods quit. People were no longer afraid to voice normal liberal, centrist, or even right wing views. The snowflakes had an absolute meltdown. It was glorious to behold.

 

[YIKES]

Resetera lurkers, please stay there. we're just recovering.

Look at what happened to Wil Wheaton. His own echo chamber destroyed him.

You mean that shitshow on Mastodon?

 

[dolabla]

Some of the best days on this forum were right after the shit storm with EvilLore and all of the super SJW mods quit. People were no longer afraid to voice normal liberal, centrist, or even right wing views. The snowflakes had an absolute meltdown. It was glorious to behold.

It was a shock through their systems. They couldn't quite grasp that there were people outside their little echo chamber that held different beliefs than their own. It was glorious indeed.

Now we're just an alt right haven

 

[iconmaster]

You mean that shitshow on Mastodon?

That's my guess

 

[HyGogg]

Sure. It sounds like we agree in principle and perhaps just see the degree to which this is prevalent a bit differently. I agree with all your points.

At the risk of derailing the thread, I'm curious. You seem to at least right-leaning if not outright conservative, but you're aware of NPD and its symptoms. Do you recognize these symptoms in Trump? To me I can't imagine a more textbook case of NPD, manipulative, grandiose, completely unable to process criticism or even advice, capriciousness, implulsiveness, and he even puts his name in gold letters on top of his buildings. Politics aside, is that something you've also noticed?

 

[King of Foxes]

 

[HyGogg]

What this whole story actually revolves around is that people with geniune issues are trickled into this safe space and get all the freedom to call out and be aggressive against others, when really, the focus should be on helping these users get the help IRL that they need, instead of creating a safe space for unresolved trauma's.

All they are achieving with providing that space is that people with geniune issues feel less inclined to seek proper care, after all, they have a forum where they can speak their minds to, instead of the (proper) therapist they should do so.

The idea behind a safe space is not that you stay there, it's that you go there to recover from the exhaustion faced elsewhere. If that's how it's used there's nothing unhealthy about it, but when people retreat too deeply into them, they can be counterproductive.

And beyond that, no echo chamber stays that way. People find things to fight about regardless and it ends up being people who are otherwise aligned squabbling over their different degrees of whatever.

 

[Zangiefy360]

At the risk of derailing the thread, I'm curious. You seem to at least right-leaning if not outright conservative, but you're aware of NPD and its symptoms. Do you recognize these symptoms in Trump? To me I can't imagine a more textbook case of NPD, manipulative, grandiose, completely unable to process criticism or even advice, capriciousness, implulsiveness, and he even puts his name in gold letters on top of his buildings. Politics aside, is that something you've also noticed?

Citation needed.

This is exactly why doctors caution people from self-diagnosis via a Google search. Even doubly so when you are trying to diagnose someone you have never actually interacted with. Sounds like to me you are seeing what you want to see here.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Completely false. You can make all the jokes you want on Era. As long as you don't insult gaming journalists, mods, members of prominence, protected members, or mock people based on race, gender, nationality, appearance, status, wealth, abilities, accents, lived experiences, life stories, personal truths, lived truths and stories, mental ability, chosen profession, character flaws, intelligence, hypocrisy, outrage, slickness, dying on a hill, or if they are Beefy.

Otherwise feel free. Just yesterday I saw someone say "fuck Trump and Fuck all pigs!" It's punching up, ha ha.


Also, whenever Slayven makes a post everyone lols about it, do you think they are lying?

Slayven is one of the most insufferable moderators there.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Personally I think those posters should be banned for misogyny, downplaying transphobia, and arguing in bad faith. Oh and history of infractions

Over there "arguing in bad faith" means "not being a part of the hive mind". It's lame.

 

[HyGogg]

Citation needed.

This is exactly why doctors caution people from self-diagnosis via a Google search. Even doubly so when you are trying to diagnose someone you have never actually interacted with. Sounds like to me you are seeing what you want to see here.

I'm one person with an amateur opinion asking someone else who was doing the same regarding others. By no means definitive.

But we do have a tremendous amount of insight into his behaviors thanks to not only the degree to which we can see them directly, but the wealth of first-hand accounts that paint a remarkably consistent picture on certain behaviors. It isn't a huge stretch to make certain generalizations about the man's behaviors.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Slayven is one of the most insufferable moderators there.

His tag is, "I bet some forum out there is talking about me" or some shit to that narcissistic phrasing. I did not even know who he was prior. Self inflating for a nobody, and he is getting what he wants I suppose.

 

[jufonuk]

Why not have a thread war. As in we just play a lot of games to decide the best thread ?

Like an olympics or something.

Quakecon style


Street fighter 3, Quake . Fortnight. Etc etc Or something

For justice

 

[pramod]

I've been on a long time lurker on both forums. Lately, I've been spending more of my free time here and less on Restera despite the higher post volumes.

On Restera, I feel like I'm binge watching an incredibly formulaic show. I know exactly how each post will go the second it is posted. The lack of actual back and forth conversation keeps things stagnant. Predictability is one of the worst traps a community can fall into and it sounds like a number of their members are starting to realize that.

I guess some people prefer echo chambers and "safe places". Also a lot of people there seem to believe they are part of some "Resistance" that is the world's last hope against a real Nazi takeover of America.

 

[jufonuk]

But this place used to be an echo chamber though...

Before the fallout. Anytime I loaded up GAF the whole Brexit/trump plus other threads catastrophising things made it really really negative at times. I was going through some tough times and going on GAF was my escape but to be confronted by it all. I must admit during the Brexit times I posted a lot of what ifs etc but I asked to be banned for a while a number of times as it was just taking over and didn’t help me headspace.

Plus yeah the atmosphere at times was crazy. You had to double triple check things in case you get someone taking something the wrong way and suddenly be forced to the front and have to defend yourself lest you be acccused of something.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Here you go. Based KiwiBot!

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/hot

Fantastic. Reading this absolute mess offers a fascinating case study of the socio-psychological ailments of our progressive era.

User Warned: Downplaying the importance of progressive efforts

This place would be so much better if everyone would stop trying to out-woke each other and just talk games. Technical aspects, gameplay, story. Not, how offended can we get about anything. So very much better.​

User Banned (1 Month): Transphobia, willful misgendering.

I’ve matched with transgender people by accident on various dating apps because they put their settings as females looking for males. I pretty much end it respectfully by me telling them that I’m flattered but straight and they all have taken it well. One person was surprised on how nice I was. It might help them (on Tinder at least) if some changed their settings around, but what do I know?​

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User banned (one week): dismissing diversity and inclusion efforts as discrimination

What? You can't see the issue with excluding people from an event based on gender/gender identity? It's called discrimination.​

User Banned (1 week): Downplaying minority concerns

Love that even an apology isn't good enough these days.​

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User Banned (3 Days): Dismissing Transphobia

...I mean it's a dumb joke, but I fail to see what's offensive about it.​

User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying inclusivity and diversity efforts.

I'm certainly not upset about including women. I'm upset about how they decided to do it. This game is supposed to be a WW2 game. Not an alternate reality WW2 game like Wolfenstein. The way women are portrayed in BFV is actually an insult to women that partook in the war. It somehow says what they were doing wasn't cool enough, no they must be on the frontlines to be respected! So yes EA can go fuck right off. I'm going to take their advice and not buy their shitty product.​

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User Banned (1 Week): Upholding toxic masculinity constructs + pattern of downplaying sensitive issues

It's funny you bring up that example, because can you guess that the divorce rate and relationship problem percentage is higher in the celebrity industries?? And it's certainly not hard to understand why that is. If I was a movie star or rock star or professional athlete, I would never get married because it would be practically impossible to not be in situations with temptations​

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I could read these all day. Immensely revealing enforcements of speech, and hysterical reactions to anyone who doesn't sign onto a full obligatory endorsement of the latest woke trends.

Getting these progress-mods and fanatics off NeoGAF was the best thing to happen here in a decade.

 

[Sakura Doritos]

Yes, I mean diversity of thought, although that includes perspectives and experiences, not just opinions. It feels like there's less of that here than there used to be before the split. Which isn't to say it's an echo chamber, because it certainly isn't, but there's a tangible sense that there's a lot of voices missing.

I’m not here to self promote my shittily wonderful cluster fuck of a life and generally don’t want to get too detailed about my struggle.

If and when I do it is to shut down the illusions people create about faceless people on the internet to justify their bias.

At the end of the day I want to talk about video games and sandwiches. Unfortunately politics has been more engaging but also has more of a tangled mess to get tobthe conversation because people mke their minds up before considering an opposing opinion or how they may be misinterpreting it.

 

[hecatomb]

buncha' rich privileged kids over there. Doesn't surprise me. Eventually they will ban each other into nothingness.

Just other site like Tumblr and Buzzfeed.

 

[YIKES]

Holy shit.

Crunklord420 is based.

 

[petran79]

I think there should be entrance exams for Resetera members. Give them the RE manifesto to read and let them take a 2 hour long online test. If they answer 90% correctly they can become full fledged members.
I am serious btw

 

[HyGogg]

Here you go. Based KiwiBot!

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/hot

Jesus, some of these are mind-boggling.

DOOM: The Fake Outrage
Reason User warned: Inappropriate Language

"I still don't get how some individuals can get triggered and misinterpret everything out of context. There was nothing in the gameplay being offensive."​

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This one was the most wtf to me:

Thread New Research Shows a Vast Majority of Cis People Won't Date Trans People
Reason User Banned (1 Month): Transphobia, willful misgendering.

"I’ve matched with transgender people by accident on various dating apps because they put their settings as females looking for males. I pretty much end it respectfully by me telling them that I’m flattered but straight and they all have taken it well. One person was surprised on how nice I was. It might help them (on Tinder at least) if some changed their settings around, but what do I know?"​

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Literally used gender neutral pronouns and gets banned for transphobia and "misgendering." How the fuck does the mod even know this person's preferred pronouns?

 

[Pejo]

I'm actually a little impressed that some people are able to see the forest through the trees over there. Perspective and experiences are important things that help you form educated opinions. I feel like a scary number of young people aren't getting either of these things, especially in a community like ERA. Good on them if they start to think critically about the moderation and opinion leading that goes on.

I wouldn't even be mad if they came to those views themselves, since everyone is allowed to have their opinions, I just hate how ERA and last election-time GAF just stopped any sort of critical thinking that didn't enforce a singular view.

Anyways, memes and stuff.

 

[hecatomb]

I'm actually a little impressed that some people are able to see the forest through the trees over there. Perspective and experiences are important things that help you form educated opinions. I feel like a scary number of young people aren't getting either of these things, especially in a community like ERA. Good on them if they start to think critically about the moderation and opinion leading that goes on.

I wouldn't even be mad if they came to those views themselves, since everyone is allowed to have their opinions, I just hate how ERA and last election-time GAF just stopped any sort of critical thinking that didn't enforce a singular view.

Anyways, memes and stuff.

You should ask them if they believe in freedom of speech