sixteen-bit
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fuchsia, turquoise, yellow, and green remind me of the GBC color pallete.
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And only two colours at a time, else they get confused.
I wanted to back this up but beeing speccy only held me back.
I wish they were willing to expand it to other cores (Amiga, MD, NES, SMS, MSX, C64, etc) like the MIST.
Especially since it seems the ZX Next has a faster FPGA
IrishNinja
Member
I'm pretty sure this will happen. It's not their goal and won't dedicate time to do it (plus they may be restricted with the Sinclair license), but loading cores will probably be trivial and modders will figure it out. But of course they can't promise this in their kickstarter.
I'll be happy with CPC and 64 myself, to keep with the theme of 8bit computing.
D.Lo
Member
Actually the spectrum, BBC, MSX (with tapes) C64 etc genuinely do explain the euro development scene in the 80s.
They started with hobbyists and had a cheap, easily piratable format (tapes). This set up a market expectation for cheap, bedroom coded games. It wasn't going to be a lucrative venture to create a professional, bug tested game, so it didn't develop as much as the professional markets that had in America (from the Atari/Activision era) and Japan (with the arcade devs like Sega, Taito, Konami etc and then with the Famicom). It continued in the same way with the Amiga.
So there wasn't as strong a professional development environment, and consoles didn't take off for years, because while the hardware was relatively cheap and more powerful/custom designed for games, the games were seen as too expensive.
sixteen-bit
Member
ordered by arcade card duo.....fuck man
Ginka Fukei Densetsu Sapphire here I come..........
Sapphire is expensive as hell now. Are you going legit?
Awesome -- that would be much appreciated!
I have it -- if you can't find it online, inbox me and I'll scan it for you.
Laws00
Member
HELL NO I an't going legit.
In the Turbo/PC engine thread I already burned a copy of the game. The thing was when I tried to play it I didn't know that I needed an arcade card and the everdrive doesn't constitute as one
Got two packages in today. Something old and something new.
Only one left now. Been surprised at how quickly there are arriving actually.
More or less a week from Japan to Belgium. It usually takes a week or two, sometimes longer.
I vividly remember picking up the PAL version on release. 63 on Tuesday November 21, 1995 at the local Game Mania store.
They only got one copy in and the clerk didn't understand why I would pick up something like this when all those new and shiny 3D games were on the shelves. lol
He just shook his head as as I paid and said something to the likes of "oh well, as long as you have fun with it, I guess."
I sure did.
Glad to finally have a 60Hz copy of this game now.
Only one left now. Been surprised at how quickly there are arriving actually.
More or less a week from Japan to Belgium. It usually takes a week or two, sometimes longer.
I vividly remember picking up the PAL version on release. 63 on Tuesday November 21, 1995 at the local Game Mania store.
They only got one copy in and the clerk didn't understand why I would pick up something like this when all those new and shiny 3D games were on the shelves. lol
He just shook his head as as I paid and said something to the likes of "oh well, as long as you have fun with it, I guess."
I sure did.
Glad to finally have a 60Hz copy of this game now.
D.Lo
Member
As far as I'm aware 100% of PAL PS1 games are 50Hz.
Ah that makes sense as I only remember 60Hz becoming a thing here with the Dreamcast.
We did get optimised ports though which compensated for the change, but they would still be 50Hz, just run quicker.
D.Lo
Member
Yes, all the way back to the NES typically european devs (eg Rare, Psygnosis) would optimise well for PAL, presumably because they wanted a nice copy to play themselves.
Sega did very little optimisation on the Master System/Mega Drive, the music in Sonic 2 and a couple of later games is all I remember. Nintendo was pretty good on NES/SNES, but basically no other Japanese devs (eg Konami, Capcom) did any optimisation at all on them. Saturn first party games got decent 50Hz conversions but none others did, N64 was a mixed bag, and PS1 was probably the worst system of all time for 50Hz. And unlike all systems before it, you can't mod the system and play those PAL games in 60Hz, since it's done in software, they're hard locked to 50Hz.
Ah, I didn't know the details like that.
Looks like I'll have to see and grab some more Japanese PSone games in the future.
But not right now as I'm quickly going broke at this pace.
Luckily I already bought a lot of the more expensive releases many years ago when they went for the normal price. Got extremely lucky with certain other games that started to get very expensive and got them at a slightly inflated price but certainly nothing like what's being asked for them these days.
Taromaro comes to mind, holy hell! :-O
edit. Ah, this thread got dropped into the Community forum. No wonder I never see it on the front page anymore... :-/
Wish we got a retro sub forum instead. That's pretty much all I'm interested in at this point and all the threads keep being drowned out by random crap.
Actually it was up to developpers because a PS didn't need any modification to run the games at 60hz. The game would decide how the system ran (I plaeyd all my PS games on my PAL PlayStation and without an RGB scart cable, US/JAP games would display in black and white).
I have both versions of Raiden Project (Pal and NTSC-J), I'll compare for kicks and giggles (I stopped playing the games once I got Raiden DX
)BTW anyone knows what's the Puzzler demo that comes with Raiden DX? Never found what the game actually was.
D.Lo
Member
As I mentioned above, software deciding the video mode is what makes PAL PS1 the worst 50Hz console, as you cannot mod the console to make unoptimised PAL games run correctlyActually it was up to developpers because a PS didn't need any modification to run the games at 60hz. The game would decide how the system ran (I plaeyd all my PS games on my PAL PlayStation and without an RGB scart cable, US/JAP games would display in black and white).
I have both versions of Raiden Project (Pal and NTSC-J), I'll compare for kicks and giggles (I stopped playing the games once I got Raiden DX
BTW anyone knows what's the Puzzler demo that comes with Raiden DX? Never found what the game actually was.
PS1 only supported PAL 50Hz and NTSC 60Hz (not PAL60) and as far as I'm aware while the console was capable of it Sony did not allow a PAL release to output NTSC and every single PAL game was 50Hz.
What happens with PSOne games on a PS2? Can they be tricked into running at 60hz?
D.Lo
Member
Nope, stuck at 50Hz.
Some games got good 50Hz conversions, Raiden might be one of them.
Laevateinn
Member
50Hz is only an issue when the game's timing isn't optimized for 50hz. PAL isn't automatically a bad thing.
D.Lo
Member
Eh, 95% of the best 240p games were designed for 60Hz (mostly from Japan). 50Hz ruins the art (it gets squashed), ruins the gameplay (it runs too slow) and in most cases except the SNES (which had a separately clocked sound unit) ruins the music because it runs too slow.
socksfelloff
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I pmd you
And on top of that, PAL-optimised games (that correct the gameplay speed / music tempo) are fucked up forever as no amount of modding can make them run as good as a 60Hz game. At least non-optimised games can be run properly when the console is modded.
Does no apply to Sony consoles.
The only exception are some games designed by European companies for the European market, which can take advantage of the 50Hz: more vertical definition and more frame-time to compute. There are very few of them though. A popular example are the Titan Overdrive demos for the Megadrive, which have to be played at 50Hz for the reasons above.
cyborgnumberblue
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ordered by arcade card duo.....fuck man
Ginka Fukei Densetsu Sapphire here I come..........
Just ordered a Turbo Duo, will need to snag one of these eventually, too!
davidwhangchoi
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so if i get a modded turbo duo, i need this arcade duo? been looking to get one but waiting for the right time
cyborgnumberblue
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sixteen-bit
Member
Got two packages in today. Something old and something new.
Only one left now. Been surprised at how quickly there are arriving actually.
More or less a week from Japan to Belgium. It usually takes a week or two, sometimes longer.
I vividly remember picking up the PAL version on release. 63 on Tuesday November 21, 1995 at the local Game Mania store.
They only got one copy in and the clerk didn't understand why I would pick up something like this when all those new and shiny 3D games were on the shelves. lol
He just shook his head as as I paid and said something to the likes of "oh well, as long as you have fun with it, I guess."
I sure did.
Glad to finally have a 60Hz copy of this game now.
Raiden Project is so good. I only have the best price release
davidwhangchoi
Member
thx for the list
davidwhangchoi
Member
crap! didn't know it was up there... almost the cost of a duo...
Shin Johnpv
Member
As long as you burn it at a slow speed going CDR is fine. This isn't even really about wearing out the laser it's because the faster it spins the less defined the difference is in the pits the laser is burning in the disc. On older lasers (like the Duo) this can more easily lead to disc read errors. A properly burned CDR isn't going to kill your laser any faster than a pressed disc.
By the way an actual copy of Sapphire will cost you upwards of like 700 - 1,700 bucks depending on condition. The bootleg will run you 100 - 200 bucks. Personally I don't think there is a difference with playing a bootleg and playing a cd-r you make yourself.
You may want to go for a Duo-R/RX since they're more reliable, don't need their capacitors replaced, and generally have better quality lasers in them. Though IMHO the Duo is the sexiest of the lot.
By the way an actual copy of Sapphire will cost you upwards of like 700 - 1,700 bucks depending on condition. The bootleg will run you 100 - 200 bucks. Personally I don't think there is a difference with playing a bootleg and playing a cd-r you make yourself.
You may want to go for a Duo-R/RX since they're more reliable, don't need their capacitors replaced, and generally have better quality lasers in them. Though IMHO the Duo is the sexiest of the lot.
The bootleg is 119 euro with two other games (Rockman and Fantasy Zone or somethign like that?). So 40 euros really.
Raiden Project is so good. I only have the best price release
I had the same problem with Layer Section.
Had the SatKore version for many years but always wanted the original release even though the only difference is the front cover and the disc being blue instead of red.
The Raiden Project was actually one of the games that ended up making me buy a Saturn a bit later on.
Loved the game so much when it came out, but releases like that were so few and far between that I knew I was missing out.
The PSone is always being heralded as the undisputed winner of the 32-bit era, but at that time it was a bit lacklustre for me, even though I enjoyed the games I got a ton.
Just looking back at my list after Raiden came out as well as 96 and 97, it's easy for me to see why I felt like getting a Saturn was justified even though I got a N64 in March of 97 and the Saturn only 3 months after that.
There simply weren't enough arcade games being released for me so I started getting bored with seeing nothing but "mature" games on shelves.
Code:
The Raiden Project PSone Pal 63 Tue, November 21, 1995
Doom PSone Pal 50 Mon, January 15, 1996
Philosoma PSone Pal 56 Sat, April 6, 1996
Ridge Racer Revolution PSone Pal 60 Thu, May 23, 1996
Namco Museum Vol.1 PSone Pal 60 Tue, August 13, 1996
Resident Evil PSone Pal 70 Thu, August 22, 1996
William's Arcades Greatest Hits Vol.1 PSone Pal 50 Mon, October 7, 1996
Wipeout 2097 PSone Pal 61 Wed, October 23, 1996
Motor Toon GP 2 PSone Pal 56 Thu, November 7, 1996
In The Hunt PSone Pal 53 Fri, November 8, 1996
Namco Museum Vol.2 PSone Pal 56 Thu, November 14, 1996
Crash Bandicoot PSone Pal 28 Sat, November 30, 1996
Star Gladiator PSone Pal 23 Thu, March 6, 1997
Namco Museum Vol.3 PSone Pal 56 Tue, April 1, 1997
Namco Museum Vol.4 PSone Pal 47 Thu, September 4, 1997
Raystorm PSone Pal 47 Fri, September 19, 1997
Final Fantasy 7 PSone Pal 63 Tue, November 18, 1997
Tempest X3 PSone Pal 19 Thu, November 27, 1997
Xevious 3D/G+ PSone Pal 43 Sat, December 6, 1997
Castlevania Symphony Of The Night PSone Pal 61 Mon, December 8, 1997
Arcade's Greatest Hits Atari Collection Vol.1 PSone Pal 61 Tue, December 16, 1997Keep in mind that I bought tons of SNES, NES and even GameBoy games during these years to get my traditional game fix.
After getting a Saturn, all of that changed and I was almost drowning in games.
Just look at 97 and 98 for comparison. lol
Code:
Saturn Console Pal 238 Tue, May 27, 1997
Sega Rally Pal + Tue, May 27, 1997
Fighters Megamix Pal + Tue, May 27, 1997
Sega Ages Vol.1 Pal 63 Fri, June 13, 1997
Virtua Cop + Gun Pal 40 Sat, June 14, 1997
Daytona USA Pal 9 Fri, June 20, 1997
NiGHTS + 3D Pad Pal 50 Fri, June 20, 1997
Night Warriors Pal 20 Fri, August 1, 1997
X-Men Children Of The Atom Pal 20 Fri, August 1, 1997
Megaman X 3 Pal 52 Thu, August 7, 1997
Sonic Jam Pal 55 Fri, September 5, 1997
Panzer Dragoon Pal 14 Fri, September 5, 1997
Virtual On Pal 33 Wed, September 24, 1997
Darius Gaiden Pal 20 Sat, November 22, 1997
Galactic Attack Pal 18 Sat, November 22, 1997
Shinobi X Pal 13 Sat, January 3, 1998
Darius 2 Pal 20 Thu, March 12, 1998
Christmas NiGHTS Pal GRATIS Thu, March 12, 1998
Guardian Heroes Pal 20 Wed, April 22, 1998
Panzer Dragoon Saga Pal 60 Fri, June 5, 1998
Virtua Fighter Kids Pal 18 Fri, June 5, 1998
The Story Of Thor 2 Pal 18 Fri, June 5, 1998
Street Fighter Alpha Pal 25 Mon, June 29, 1998
Virtua Fighter 2 Pal + Mon, June 29, 1998
Fighting Vipers Pal + Mon, June 29, 1998
Clockwork Knight Pal 9 Mon, June 29, 1998
Clockwork Knight 2 Pal 9 Mon, June 29, 1998
Burning Rangers Pal 63 Thu, July 2, 1998
Parodius Pal 13 Mon, July 20, 1998
The King Of Fighters '95 Pal 45 Sat, August 22, 1998
NiGHTS + 3D Pad Pal 13 Thu, July 23, 1998
Shining Force 3 Pal 63 Thu, July 23, 1998
Panzer Dragoon 2 Pal 38 Mon, August 31, 1998
Street Fighter Alpha 2 Pal 20 Wed, September 9, 1998
Dragon Force Pal 45 Thu, September 10, 1998
Gun Griffon Pal 38 Thu, September 10, 1998
Elevator Action Returns Japan 73 Thu, September 10, 1998
Radiant Silvergun Japan 75 Sat, October 10, 1998
Dead Or Alive Japan 38 Sat, October 10, 1998
Marvel Superheroes Pal 45 Sat, October 10, 1998
Shining Wisdom Pal 13 Thu, October 15, 1998
Capcom Generation 1 Japan 70 Fri, October 16, 1998
Capcom Generation 2 Japan 68 Sat, October 24, 1998
Baku Baku Animal Pal 38 Mon, November 9, 1998
Capcom Generation 3 Japan 63 Tue, November 24, 1998
Capcom Generation 4 Japan 68 Tue, November 24, 1998
Vampire Savior Japan 53 Tue, November 24, 1998
X-Men VS Streetfighter Japan 53 Tue, November 24, 1998
The King Of Fighters Best Collection Japan 75 Tue, November 24, 1998
Hebereke's Popoitto Pal 13 Sat, December 26, 1998Just read the news about Raiden V coming to the PS4 and even though I'm definitely picking it up, I'm a bit sad that after Raiden DX, every single Raiden game has been such a big step back compared to Raiden II.
Without taking Raiden Fighters into account of course.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Currently sold out and PCE Works doesn't always restock when they claim they will.
cyborgnumberblue
Member
My Turbo Duo arrived, but the damn thing won't read discs so it's going back. I think I'm done with this search for now, it's the biggest console shit show I've experienced yet to the point emulating the few games I want to play outweighs the bullshit.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Where have you been looking for systems? When you decide to try again, I would just go to some one like KeithCourage on facebook or the PCEngineFX forums, he usually has Duos for sale that he's replaced the capacitor on, rgb modded and tuned up the CD drive.
You could always try contacting him anyway if you hold onto the Duo you have. Usually if it's not reading discs it needs to have its pots adjusted, and that's something himself (and probably a few others like Voultar) could do for you.
davidwhangchoi
Member
thanks buddy for the info! look at ebay daily till i get the impulse to buy but haven't yet
awe crap! sorry to hear man. i was so excited for you too. that killed my excitement of getting one a bit....
I actually bought my Duo as "defective" on a local auction site with that exact fault, it wouldn't read discs. (it had caps replaced etc. so it was in good shape otherwise). I sent it to a friend and he diagnosed that the screw that guides the cd drive (or something like this) was loose a bit so he tightened it just a bit and it started working again.
e: I'm guessing this might be the same issue that Shin Johnpv described earlier
He did add that it might be loosened in time again so I or he might have to do it again at some point, but who knows when that will be.
If you have any knowledge try this kind of fix. Just throwing it out there. The problems with the Duo CD drive and caps are somewhat exaggerated IMO, if you have a Duo-R/RX you will still have to do maintenance on them eventually too. (plus the Duo is the best looking PC Engine there is!)
cyborgnumberblue
Member
Just ebay. The one I got has been RGB modded and recapped, and region free. Can you PM me a link to KeithCourage's facebook so I can reach out to him? Seems to be a few of them.
At this point, it's more than likely I will just send it back, but I'll see what options are available.
This post is encouraging, I will open the bastard up later and see what I can do!
Have you been able to give Raiden IV Overkill a chance? I'm admittingly a huge Raiden IV fan but Overkill takes the game to the next level.
Definitely the PSone version unless there is some newer port than I'm not aware of.
The other versions that I know of, Mega Drive, Super Nintendo PC Engine and Jaguar all have big compromises depending on what system they are on.
But the PSone version is basically arcade perfect as far as I know.
I briefly played it but just a credit or two.
I did play the regular version on 360 a bit more though.
Liked it quite a bit more than Raiden 3 but not nearly as much as 2.
Might have to give the PS3 version a decent shot again it seems.
Is it a lot better than the 360 version? As I don't even know what's different between the two versions.
The other versions that I know of, Mega Drive, Super Nintendo PC Engine and Jaguar all have big compromises depending on what system they are on.
But the PSone version is basically arcade perfect as far as I know.
I briefly played it but just a credit or two.
I did play the regular version on 360 a bit more though.
Liked it quite a bit more than Raiden 3 but not nearly as much as 2.
Might have to give the PS3 version a decent shot again it seems.
Is it a lot better than the 360 version? As I don't even know what's different between the two versions.
Raiden DX on PSone
sixteen-bit
Member
Isn't that a different game?
It's more or less a remix of Raiden 1 and 2.
Not quite. If TeaJay is looking for Raiden 1, then Raiden Project is the best option.
While DX is a great game that I like even more than Raiden II, it has nothing to do with Raiden 1.
It has 3 modes of play: training, novice and expert.
Training is just one level to get to grips with the game.
Novice is the first 5 levels of Raiden II
But Expert is the full 8 level game plus a secret unlockable level in the end.
This mode is a complete remix of Raiden II with a bunch of new systems and scoring mechanics added to it.
Raiden Project has slowdowns in both Raiden and Raiden 2 that aren't in the arcade version nor in the DX version.
This is why it's the best way to play the pre fighters games imho
IrishNinja
Member
damn, i know the packaging's nice but $100+ for a boot...phewww