Retro Studios - What do you think they do next?
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Rocket Punch
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Deg said:
Blah blah blah, it's always Nintendo's fault. The developers have always been very vocal about their affinity with the Metroid franchise. The have already said they want to continue working on new titles themselves. Man, talk about retarded posts.
soundwave05
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I think its really going to come down to a sales issue.
MP2 sale's are down from MP1.
Nintendo will desperately need something from Retro at Revolution launch.
Nintendo could badly use a real FPS franchise, Retro might be one of the best FPS devs in the world.
Cut these hounds loose and lets see what kind of damage they can do.
Nintendo most of all I think will not be given any benefit of the doubt this time around from casuals. Either the Revolution comes out very, very strong right away at launch or its going to be plagued with image problems and apologists for the next four or five years.
If they don't get a good start, no matter how good their games are in year 2 or year 3, chances are the platform will get overlooked.
MP2 sale's are down from MP1.
Nintendo will desperately need something from Retro at Revolution launch.
Nintendo could badly use a real FPS franchise, Retro might be one of the best FPS devs in the world.
Cut these hounds loose and lets see what kind of damage they can do.
Nintendo most of all I think will not be given any benefit of the doubt this time around from casuals. Either the Revolution comes out very, very strong right away at launch or its going to be plagued with image problems and apologists for the next four or five years.
If they don't get a good start, no matter how good their games are in year 2 or year 3, chances are the platform will get overlooked.
Cold-Steel
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I'm hoping for an original realistic action adventure or FPS.
They need to leave Metroid alone for a bit.
They need to leave Metroid alone for a bit.
"But really this shouldn't even be a debate, Retro should be expanded back to at least 2 or 3 teams."
I'd rather Retro stay a smaller developer. It clearly wasn't working for them before when they were making Metriod, RPGs, and football games all at the same time. Prime probably would not exist in it's current form if it was not for Nintendo cutting the fat. I'm all for Nintendo expanding it's western development but I think they should focus on acquiring or creating smaller development houses.
I'd rather Retro stay a smaller developer. It clearly wasn't working for them before when they were making Metriod, RPGs, and football games all at the same time. Prime probably would not exist in it's current form if it was not for Nintendo cutting the fat. I'm all for Nintendo expanding it's western development but I think they should focus on acquiring or creating smaller development houses.
SantaC
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Deg said:
A few left yes, but that appearently happens to nearly every dev team. You're saying that Nintendo wasted their talent when it was them to steered them to the right path with the first prime. You do realize how crappy looking the first pics of Metroid Prime looked right? It's funny how people put a negative Nintendo spin in this thread.
early Metroid Prime pics. These are craptastic.
Rocket Punch
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Deg said:
You make it sound like Retro is the only company that has ever experienced this. Soft dev houses have a high turnover rate. This is common to all of them.
That happens everywhere, or do you think everyone in Naughty Dogs are happy just developing Jax games for an entire genereation? no, for that the ones that doen´t like the idea leaves that they did it.
The problem of Metroid Prime 2 was momentum, Halo 2 and weak sales of GC didn´t help it. But it´s one of the most interesting licenses to develop from Nintendo.
SantaCruZer said:A few left yes, but that appearently happens to nearly every dev team. You're saying that Nintendo wasted their talent when it was them to steered them to the right path with the first prime. You do realize how crappy looking the first pics of Metroid Prime looked right? It's funny how people put a negative Nintendo spin in this thread.
early Metroid Prime pics. These are craptastic.
OMG. Abso-fucking-lutely N64. :lol :lol :lol
and guys,
don't feed the dog (deg).
SantaCruZer said:A few left yes, but that appearently happens to nearly every dev team. You're saying that Nintendo wasted their talent when it was them to steered them to the right path with the first prime. You do realize how crappy looking the first pics of Metroid Prime looked right? It's funny how people put a negative Nintendo spin in this thread.
early Metroid Prime pics. These are craptastic.
Wow. Reminds me of the early OoT pictures, and how much they differed from the final game.
IGN said the original design document for Raven Blade was far too big and complicated for the game to get off the ground so I dont see it being made for Revolution. I would love them to make a FPS. Im sure they could pull one off, either a sci-fi based theme or a realistic one. Either that or make the next Metroid more linear in that you would have her upgrades from the start and could solve puzzles room to room. The best bit in Echoes is when you are fully equipped and can go solve all the puzzles you had to pass over.
Red Scarlet
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SantaCruZer said:
Wrong. Nintendo announced that Metroid would return at space world 2000. These pics are from the GC build. (22th august 2001)
5 months later it had improved to this:
01/14/2002
I wonder if they got Space Jump first so they could get the missile over there first.
A wait for MP3 on the revolution would probably be better financially for Nintendo, with the time delay that would result, and a helpful early title for that system.
If MP3 becomes mission-based and stuff, I guess Prime 2 will be the last new game in the series I play.
SantaCruZer said:
Wrong. Nintendo announced that Metroid would return at space world 2000. These pics are from the GC build. (22th august 2001)
5 months later it had improved to this:
01/14/2002
And only 1 month later it improved even more:
02/21/2002
good stuff. It's a bit hard to pick the differences here. Especially the first shot as the area is actually ingame And then I noticed the handcannon
SantaC
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Red Scarlet said:
yeah, but I am not even sure that MP3 will be announced. Nintendo maybe want to take a break with it. Who knows. As usual, E3 will probably hold the answer.
edit: I think it's funny how some people say they are tired of the Metroid prime franchise, but they want more GTA, more Halo, more RE, more FF and so on. I agree that MP2E was worse than MP1, and that they need to do some changes, but they can get back to track again just like RE4 did.
SantaCruZer said:
I think the tired of MP2E statement comes from the fact that it was a lesser sequel that didn't look substantially better and had questionable gameplay elements. By the end of it, I was so sick of going in and out of the dark world that I wanted it all to end. It worked initially but when the latter puzzles involved going in and out, it just got too much. I also think another issue was balance - the power ups all came too late in game or it wasn't paced properly. It also had a weak endboss and like latter day Nintendo titles. IT BLOODY need better narrative + story telling.
MP2E did have the kickass spiderball guardian. That elevates it past all its flaws though.
SantaC
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Odnetnin said:
Let's sum up MP2E:
+ Great bossfights
+ Sanctuary fortress
+ Enemy design
+ Music
- temple key collectathlon
- dark world sucks
- some bland worlds
- uninspiring multiplayer
Overall the game is still good (heck it got good reviews) , but it didn't quite live up to the first game.
SantaCruZer said:
I never even bothered with the multiplayer and I was one of the few who said that they're wasting dev time on a feature that the Metroid series just doesn't need. This was before MP2E was ever released. Its the dumb editorials and crybabies who said MP1 wasn't good cause it had no multiplayer. I guess they felt the need to include it because it had a FPS viewport/play system and it needed to compete with Halo2 or other FPSes
BIG MISTAKE.
incidentally if you think sancutary fotress is a +, does that mean the other 2/3 of the game is so-so... and then if the dark world sucks... therefore
MP2E level design = 50% suckage (darkworld) + 32 % hohum (not santuary) + 16% good stuff (sanctuary)
= 100%SantaCruZer said:
Yeah thats what i thought. The dark world idea was awful. The best i have seen of that type was OOT's time travel. Even that got annoying alot. I just hate ideas of alternate dimensions, time travel etc in tv or games. Its such a cop out. Music was lacking. Sanctuary fortress rocked. Loved that. worth playing for that alone.
I'm tired of those other games too. I'm tired of almost every major franchise right now except for the core Mario games (I happen to have loved SMS) and Resident Evil, which Capcom did a great job reinvigorating. I'm just so tired of the same series and gameplay.SantaCruZer said:
If Retro and/or Nintendo want to reinvigorate Metroid, fine by me. I enjoyed Prime but I had no desire to play more of it. I also found Zero Mission completely lacking. That was a chore and the changes, like the stealth thing, were so lame and poorly executed that I'm just dead on it. For that matter, as much as I loved the GBA Castlevanias, I'm tired of that whole formula. It's been done to death in the last few years.
I don't know what has happened, but my interest in the entire gaming industry has dropped like a rock over the last two years. Maybe for that reason people will think my opinion is irrelevant, but there needs to be some creativity injected into the industry. So much of it is either sequels or the same gameplay concepts.
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You see, the reason why I said that is because instead of Nintendo outsourcing their IP's but then not having enough control over the quality will only destroy the franchises. Take Star Fox: Assault for example. As much as I would love to see Retro work on some of their rumored projects, the chances of one of these games being created for Revolution launch just doesn't seem very likely. If they are going to create a new IP, they need to allow Nintendo's marketing muscle to get in motion and generate some hype.Ramirez said:Worst idea EVAR?I think so!
If they're gonna do anything besides Metroid I want it to be original,not another Nintendo franchise.
Zelda-Bitch
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Retro pretty much garrantees a revolution purchase for me. I don't care what they make, I will buy it.
OG_Original Gamer
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missAran said:Raven Blade! Come on, Retro!
Because of RE4, today I believe this is possible on GC in realtime.
But yeah, bring this title back.
Also Car Combat.
Deg said:
Actually, your schtick has become very tiresome nowadays. Give it up, already.
Deg said:
Proper games in real genres? Bwahaha. Please.
Metroid Prime is an adventure game. Period. Think of it like Myst. People don't call Myst a first person adventure game, do they?
- GTA:VC sucks compared to GTAIII, then SA kicked both their asses.
- Halo 2 sucks compared to Halo 1.
- MP2 sucks compared to MP1.
See a trend? Maybe, just maybe, Halo 3 and MP3 will come out and pull a GTA:SA. Look at the RE franchise. RE4 is absolutely amazing!!! Franchises can evolve into something better. Sometimes it just takes some time.
OG_Original Gamer
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You know what, I say give Metroid to Capcom partcularly Mikami, and have Retro work on a original title, I don't mind if its a FPS.
I want a Samus intergalactic mercenary mode.
I want a Samus intergalactic mercenary mode.