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Revolution dev kit information (IGN)
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Walter Matthau
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Oblivion said:
I don't know if you are joking or not, but I really do not see anything on 360's horizon that looks 10x better than an Xbox game. We have a 360 in my house with a HDTV and i'd be generous to describe a few higher end games like Condemned and Call of Duty 2 as 2x.
Blackcherry
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TheTrinTheTrin said:
Do I'm the only one who think that the DS is going to be the vitual SNES gamepad? The rev is Wifi compatible and surely the DS wireless local will connect with it. You put your DS in download mode and the revolution send a program to make the DS a gamepad. It is me or I think that the DS/Rev compatibility might be what the GBA/GCN didn't achieved to succeed?
human5892 said:That dev kit price is likely the best news Rev fans could hope for in lieu of actual information about the machine or games themselves. At that price, a company would almost be stupid not to try an inexpensive game idea out on the Revolution...say, a 2D shooter, for instance.
The cost of a dev kit is a pretty small part of the cost of developing a game.
OG_Original Gamer
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Snow said:
GPU=Hollywood
According to the same site I posted their other source said that Broadway(CPU) is a dual core processor.
All this makes me curious as to what the actual numbers are for memory. Looks like we are generally back to square one, which means we don't know shit.
human5892 said:That dev kit price is likely the best news Rev fans could hope for in lieu of actual information about the machine or games themselves. At that price, a company would almost be stupid not to try an inexpensive game idea out on the Revolution...say, a 2D shooter, for instance.
Devkit price is pretty much a non-factor for developers.
GameCube devkits were relatively cheap too. I think you could get a TDEV for about $1000 bucks a couple years ago.
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Depends on the size of the developer. I knew a PS2 team that had 1 devkit between 10 of them.Polari said:
imastalker co.
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who knows, but Iwata did say recently that they planned to sell it cheap enough so that even the most casual would be willing to buy it just for a couple games alone.<nu>faust said:
i know one of, if not the biggest hurdle for selling consoles to non-gamers is that $200+ price tag.
Well, that's why I clarified an "inexpensive" game idea...perhaps a game that might be a more risky proposition for a smaller developer on a PS3 or an Xbox 360 suddenly looks a little safer on the cheap Rev devkit.Polari said:
I'm sure that for the big guys (EA, Ubisoft) the devkit costs are negligible, though, you're right. And I didn't mean to imply that the cheap devkits will open the floodgates of support, or anything. But it is one factor in making a Rev project more enticing to the developer who is wary of the rising dev costs of next gen.
the androgyne
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Even though the dev-kit is cheap... surely the cost is a small amount compared to actually paying the people who make the games. Obviously it's still better to have a cheaper kit, but its not the only or even predominant factor, imo.
OG_Original Gamer
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<nu>faust said:
I expect a price higher than $150, I would wager $250 because the 512MB onboard flash memory, the sensors that would have to be packed in with the revmote. Not to mention the nunchuck attachment. I wouldn't say the drive is cheap. Then there's the GC controller ports, memory slots( which could be the SD memory card slot, by way of adapter use). Last but not least, the secrets about the console or controller yet to be revealed.
the androgyne said:
Its not like Nintendo is going for the same market anyway. Like Iwata said, at this point graphics don't really matter. They do matter, yes, of course they matter. But he's referring to the large masses of people who don't play games currently, who don't care that games like Resident Evil 4, ZOE 2 or MGS4 look the way they do. They're going to be targeting people who will be interested for other reasons. And thats where a small company could make a game that is compelling for other reasons. Hard to imagine, I know. But certainly possible when you look at current sales trends in Japan (ie DS games versus PSP games).
Cave and Psikyo type devs will prolly stick with Sony, but there's no reason I can think of other than user base (which may change). Here's some stuff to think about...drohne said:
1.no one knows what games are coming for the Rev.
2.Low HW price point and cheap dev costs may add up to more ports.
3.At the very least, you can always play Ikaruga on your Rev.
*Fires up DoDonPachi*
dynamitejim
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Boards of Canada said:
How much R&D could they have possibly spent on a system that's "roughly 2-3x" as powerful as a GC? That's less than GBA->DS.
Baron Aloha
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drohne said:
What about using the analog stick to move and the remote to point to where you want to shoot? It would be similar to the way Geometry Wars works but with a remote in place of the right analog stick.
And if all else fails theres always the shell.
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Chrono said:
I really don't get the frustration with lower tech specs. As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's fun to play, the graphics really don't matter. I still play games on my 2600 for crying out loud.
If you want all the power/with new technologies go PS3, if you want the best in competitive/online gaming buy a 360. Or buy a Revolution, and have fun interacting with games on a whole new level.
You should be having fun no matter what, that's the goal isn't it?
as far as flipping the revolution controller sideways and using it as an nes pad: two buttons aren't enough. there are shooters that use two buttons in the arcade -- hell, mars matrix uses one -- but on a pad you're going to want separate buttons for fire and autofire, which would leave no room for anything else. and then there are all the shooters that have more than two functions. is there any reason we're discussing shooters on revolution? i'm sure shooter developers aren't. sometimes i have to remind myself that nintendo fans don't act the way they do just to irritate me.
remember that maegawa statement to the effect that treasure games are designed for conventional controls? i think it was in an ign interview about bleach. that gives me reason to hope that treasure will ignore revolution too.
remember that maegawa statement to the effect that treasure games are designed for conventional controls? i think it was in an ign interview about bleach. that gives me reason to hope that treasure will ignore revolution too.
jamesinclair
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$2000 for a dev kit? What a ripoff. I could get my own for $99 with wind waker for free....
Anyway, theres no way Nintendo will launch for less than 180. They need room for price drops.
Anyway, theres no way Nintendo will launch for less than 180. They need room for price drops.
dynamitejim
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Archie said:
Does the R&D for a controller really approach what it costs for companies to design a CPU and GPU? I honestly don't know, but I doubt it.
dynamitejim said:
The whole remote is what cost them a lot, not the hardware. It's not like they simply took a regular controller and just slapped on an extra button or two. The sensors, the gyroscopes, the patents, getting everything to work perfectly, the ressearched require to come out with something so unique is quite expensive.
Though they apparently spent shitloads on the GPU too.
imastalker co.
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drohne said:
if it makes you feel better, i do. why do you think i brought up Cave in my one post?
Shin Johnpv
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_leech_ said:
support HDTV resolutions isnt a measure of power, PC games have supported HD resolutions for years, I remember playing the first Half Life at 1280 x something, and it's not that the rev CAN'T do HD, it's that Nintendo decided not to put it in there
every time you bump up the resolution there's less that you can do visually, and this is just an example not to be taken as fact but say at 480p you can have 10 light sources, and 1280 x 720 res textures, when you go up to 720p and 1080p you have to sacrifice things to have the processing power to fill those pixes, suddenly you have to cut back to 5 or maybe 3 light sources and cut the resolution of the textures to like 640 x 360 things like that
Nintendo is hoping that by going with a lower resolution they can do more impressive things visually, only time will tell if their bet pays off though
The Faceless Master
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actually, i was thinking the power button might be an issue... but other than that, it looks perfectly fine...phantomile co. said:1. tell me, why isn't this set up right here adequate for shmups?
Ah Virtual Boy, Ntards only defence.
Look how many morons bought GBA Micro. Same tech, new case. You tools will buy GCN turbo just to show off your stroking techniques in public. For some of you, it will be the first and only time you will get to perform a sexual maneuver while females are in the room.
Look how many morons bought GBA Micro. Same tech, new case. You tools will buy GCN turbo just to show off your stroking techniques in public. For some of you, it will be the first and only time you will get to perform a sexual maneuver while females are in the room.
dynamitejim
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koam said:
I really can't imagine the remote costing that much, though. It doesn't seem like some super exotic tech. Has Nintendo stated where the technology comes from (developed in house or licensed froma 3rd party)?
If the reports that Rev is only 2-3x more powerful than GC are true then I can't imagine they spent a shitload on the GPU. It wouldn't make sense considering it would be completely hampered by a lack of RAM and a slow CPU. It might be likely they paid upfront to completely own the design in everyway and don't have to pay any royalities per-chip like they did with GC.
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