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choplifter said:
You guys are holding on to that 2x-3x number aren't you, 5 different SDK's to be shipped to developers for power that only 2x-3x the GC power. Gimme a break.
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You guys are holding on to that 2x-3x number aren't you, 5 different SDK's to be shipped to developers for power that only 2x-3x the GC power. Gimme a break.
DefectiveReject
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tell me about itGahiggidy said:
How can a bunch of people who know absolutely NOTHING, discuss what the system has to offer. Guesstimate all you want, none of you really have a clue.
Its gonna be a console that lets us play cool games with a cool controller
Shogmaster
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Gahiggidy said:
Living near Hollywood for the last 3 years, "Hollwood" to me = filthy and depressing. :lol
Aside from your gross conjecture, why aren't we seeing a bunch of RE4-level games out of small devs on the GC, then? Or even anything close?littlewig said:
And you'd be deluding yourself. HD/SD comparisons aside, Fight Night R3 on the 360 in HD makes last-gen incarnations look like trash. Remember, the consoles are going to last until at least 2010. The differences will be much more obvious as time proceeds.
And I really don't know how you can compare DOA4 to SC. DOA4 demolishes SC3 visually. Yes, the wow factor is significant.
And the brilliant views mostly came from experienced AAA-devs with large budgets, and even then, the flaws were noticable. As much as Nintendo reps would like you to think otherwise, we are not at the point of diminishing returns yet.
DefectiveReject
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empanada said:And make us say "wow!"
indeed. if you go back at look at the Metroid 3 models properly (and they where running on GC turbos) they are actually quite sweet we are now 2 or 3 dev kits varients on from there.
::FIXXXER::
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This thread is funny.
no one outside of Nintendo or selected Devs know anything about the internals of the Rev and yet everyone flames and argues over everyone elses theories.
Whats the unannounced feature? Nobody knows again. so why get all irate about it?
People are saying that it is a FACT it will not be as powerful as the other three, this maybe true but until we see anything or specs are released these are not FACTs but opinions.
we are all entitled to our own wrong opinions but one thing is sure we wont know anything until E3.
One way or another we will say WOW.
'Wow thats shit' or 'wow how did they manage that?'
I believe that as always, it will be a bit of both.
stilli cant help but get excited.
no one outside of Nintendo or selected Devs know anything about the internals of the Rev and yet everyone flames and argues over everyone elses theories.
Whats the unannounced feature? Nobody knows again. so why get all irate about it?
People are saying that it is a FACT it will not be as powerful as the other three, this maybe true but until we see anything or specs are released these are not FACTs but opinions.
we are all entitled to our own wrong opinions but one thing is sure we wont know anything until E3.
One way or another we will say WOW.
'Wow thats shit' or 'wow how did they manage that?'
I believe that as always, it will be a bit of both.
stilli cant help but get excited.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Let's not forget about diminishing returns.
It is very possible that Nintendo and ATi has done research into exactly where diminishing returns begins... and with this knowledge they spec'd the Revolution precisely at the point where increased power no longer gives you a comparable amt. of increased looks. Sure, PS3/360 may have better looking graphics... but at what cost? Is an extra ~2-3% in graphics worth the $100-200 you'd pay over Nintendo console? I don't think so.
It is very possible that Nintendo and ATi has done research into exactly where diminishing returns begins... and with this knowledge they spec'd the Revolution precisely at the point where increased power no longer gives you a comparable amt. of increased looks. Sure, PS3/360 may have better looking graphics... but at what cost? Is an extra ~2-3% in graphics worth the $100-200 you'd pay over Nintendo console? I don't think so.
Gahiggidy said:
I'm as excited about the POSSIBILITIES of the Revolution like a lot of other people, but why are we throwing out numbers that are mere speculation? 2-3% in graphics? How are you measuring this "graphics" thing anyway?
I'm sure that at a certain percentage of improvement a lot of people WILL pay top dollar for errr...increased "graphics".I would say a link with clothing physics ala dmc(concept), ffvii(realtime 60fps) would be well worth it.Gahiggidy said:
Most gphx characters have suffered from the "it's sticked to the body" syndrome in terms of clothing. At most only a small portion of the clothing would move(say a cape, scarf or the bottom of a coat) while the rest would remain jarringly static, and even the hair would move in unrealistic clumps and have massive clipping issues, if it moved at all. It's one of the things that bothers me, even some of the best looking nextgen games, like mgs4/gow, seem to suffer from it. I want body armor, clothing to feel like it's not sticked to the body. That is the armor should slide a bit with each movement(even crytech's next game based on their next engine seems to suffer from this too.), and the clothing should fold and respond to body movements appropriately.
Link's elven tunics(green/blue/red/oni) and his green hat should move and flow appropriately, as should princess zelda's dress, as should their hair... That movement which becomes possible with processor's like the cell, brings any character 10X+ above even the heavy normal mapped models of many a nextgen game(pc/console), in my book. It's worth every penny, especially if you could add dynamic dmg to the clothes/armor.
choplifter
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Gahiggidy said:
sorry I totally disagree with you here. while Revolution is NOT about graphics and advanced processors, etc., since you are talking about it, lets be clear, assuming Rev is 3x GCN, the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to be *at least* (at the very least) several times more powerful than Revolution, not 2-3% more in graphics. you just pull that out of your butt. complete ignorant statement, and I know you are alot more intelligent than that Gahiggidy. don't take that as a flame or insult, it's not. okay?
from a horsepower perspective, Xbox 360 and PS3 will have a better value than Revolution. from an inovation and control perspective, Revolution will have a better value than Xbox360 and PS3. fair enough? I think so.
now I admit there is a possibility that ATI has come up with a GPU design that allows a lower horsepower GPU/console to produce graphics that appear to be almost on par with the much more powerful consoles. that is a possibility but not something that is 'in the bank' yet. we'll have to see what Hollywood can do, and I am just as anxious as anyone to learn more about it. but until then I won't assume it has magical abilities.
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Gahiggidy said:
Wasnt it said that Nintendo put the same amount of money into R&D with ATI as MS did with 360? You cant be logical(or intelligent) saying that it's not as powerful as PS3 but to say it's half the power of a 360 either. It's a double standard given the limited amount of information that we know.
i guess it's impossible to ruin it, anyway. as far as i remember he made a big announcement himself once, admitting to the nature of his account - as if it hadn't been obvious enough. he could probably sign every single post with "HAY GUYS IM A JOKE CHARACTAR!!11" and people would still take him seriously.SnakeXs said:
ghostlyjoe
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jarosh said:
If it's a joke, where's the funny?
::FIXXXER::
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raYne said:
Doh, ive let out Sega Secret . :lol
i was talking of the.. erm..... the phantom of course
Its not FACT. Its been mentioned that they are not going for horsepower and quoteing specs, its been mentioned by some devs that the kits they have have are 2 - 3 times the power of a GC but until we see games running on finished hardware nothing can be taken as fact. unless you have some information that some of us dont.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Fixed-it-for-you, happy?Tempy said:I'm as excited about the POSSIBILITIES of the Revolution like a lot of other people, but why are we throwing out numbers that are mere speculation? 2-3% in graphics? How are you measuring this "graphics" thing anyway?
I have a question that really doesn't warrant a new thread. I have seen a few posts stating that Nintendo intends to allow the Revolution to be displayed on PC monitors. I was wondering if anyone could verify this. I don't have a TV right now, and I don't want to buy one in the near future. (I use my roommate's TV for the PS2 and Gamecube)
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Archie said:
correct.
citrus lump
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Trurl said:
That's silly. We won't see the best of 360 for three years or so.
::FIXXXER::
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and we wont see the best Rev stuff for three years or so.citrus lump said:
so your point is?
citrus lump
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::FIXXXER:: said:
The point is if we don't know how advanced 360 graphics will become, we won't know how advanced 40-50% of that (revolution)is. So the question is silly. Basing something we don't know yet on something else we don't know.
Oh damn, now I'm confused. :lol
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citrus lump said:
but your asuming instantly that the best rev graphics will be 40 -50% of the best 360.
as i said before nobody knows anything, lets wait until E3.
well we can all flame each others stooopid thoughts.
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TAS said:
exactly, the only 100% solid fact about the power of the Rev is that it will make us say WOW.
citrus lump
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::FIXXXER:: said:
I'm a realistic Nintendo fan. We are rare, but we do exist. The Revolution will be under-powered at launch. In three years even more so.
I could care less, but for alot of people here the simple truth is too much to handle. I'll enjoy wiggling my wand, even if it isn't pretty.
fly high ~ayunite~
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Just wait for E3 guys. It's not that far away, right?
citrus lump
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fly high ~ayunite~ said:
That won't help anyone. We'll still argue about what the percentages are.
citrus lump
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Trurl said:
To be honest, I don't think the graphics will be unsightly. At worst, it's a cube in a different shell, which is good IMO(nintendo fans are used to buying the same systems repackaged anyways :lol )
Add a bit more power,and on it's own it'll look pretty good. It's when you compare it to the Halos, Metal Gear Solids and Final Fantasys (is that a word?) of the PS3/360 that the graphics will seem a bit lacking.
All in all, I'm not worried about it. I would expect a Rev/DS/Ps2 combo will keep me entertained for quite awhile.
citrus lump
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Yes well, that could've been posted on the first page. Anyone who thought this topic wouldn't turn into "poo" was dreaming. Nintendo + Gaf= lots-a-poo.
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:lol
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ZOMG CLICK ME!!
Projector am get! 3D movies!
lol
Shame he forgot about thw two sensors which need to be placed BY THE TV.
I find the whole Nintendo will do movies thing interesting though. and Miyamoto's "I don't want to talk about that anymore" re: games moving beyond the TV.
Projector am get! 3D movies!
lol
Shame he forgot about thw two sensors which need to be placed BY THE TV.
I find the whole Nintendo will do movies thing interesting though. and Miyamoto's "I don't want to talk about that anymore" re: games moving beyond the TV.
Anyone have that mock up of the Revolution that had a projection screen with the system?
It looked like it came from a magazine scan.
Honestly, I do wonder what Nintendo is trying to do in the Movie industry, they haven't made any comments on this venture recently, something is up. :\
Edit - Ah here it is
It looked like it came from a magazine scan.
Honestly, I do wonder what Nintendo is trying to do in the Movie industry, they haven't made any comments on this venture recently, something is up. :\
Edit - Ah here it is
choplifter
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I know Gahiggidy does not actually think X360/PS3 only have 2-3 percent more power than Rev or alternatively that X360/PS3 will only appear 2-3 percent better graphically than Rev.
or does he really think that ? o_0
or does he really think that ? o_0
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kaizoku said:
The sensors can be used with projectors as well. That doesn't lend any more credibility to this rumor, but it is an interesting thought. I remember many of those quotes, but reading them all together like that sure does make you think. Could a mini projector fit under the flap on the front?
c_k_i_t3 said:cheap dev kits mean more smaller developers will make games for the REV, a small
developer (with a staff of 16 people) Crossbeam studios announce today that they are making two games for the REV.
The first game is called ORB and the second is called Thorn according to their site:
http://www.crossbeamstudios.com/index.shtml
Here are some artwork:
Thorn:
ORb:
From their forums:
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And yeah they don't have a rev kit or a publisher. They're preparing an Orb PC demo for E3.
citrus lump
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I bet this is old, but here it is anyways: http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/?PHPSESSID=246ebd788f3e7d20dd480acb4f4eabcc
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