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Revolution info leak?

Amir0x said:
Alright, so there is precedent. But not for their consoles?

Hm, it will be interesting to see how things develop... especially since this would make Nintendo's reveal the FIRST of the three consoles to get any concrete real details, instead of Xenon like many thought.
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This is coming a week early, I'm leaving to my Alps trip next week, however.
 
Gaia Theory said:
Free online is exactly what Nintendo is aiming to deliver, and if they manage to do that without gamers even needing an internet connection? Holy shit. Count me in.
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But we all have internet connections.... What is the plus, for the gamer, to doing it that way?
 
Gaia Theory said:
Definite Konami news on the 27th and now possible Nintendo news too? Can't wait to see what Konami has to show!
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isn't the Konami news the new Castlevania on PS2?
 
Unison said:
But we all have internet connections.... What is the plus, for the gamer, to doing it that way?
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But we don't all have broadband. If this is true and the Nintendo Home's are anything like iBurst on the link Jonnyram posted, it could provide broadband level connections and would be built in with no need for extra setup. While the PS2 and Xbox only have about 10% of their consoles online, Nintendo would have 100% on theirs.

If this pans out, it would be revolutionary.
 
Unison said:
But we all have internet connections.... What is the plus, for the gamer, to doing it that way?
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Not everyone has broadband or even 56k for that matter. This would benefit all the people without internet access. It would take the confusion out of hooking up a wireless network, hub system etc. You just plug the thing in, put in your multiplayer game and see whose on. This would especially be a big deal in Japan and Europe where internet charges are outrageous. All it would take is for some great AAA multiplayer titles and this idea would catch on in no time.
 
Gaia Theory said:
Free online is exactly what Nintendo is aiming to deliver, and if they manage to do that without gamers even needing an internet connection? Holy shit. Count me in.
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sorry, not happening. having a daisy-chain network would never ever work. not even close. first b/c that kind of technology is star trek and even if it were here, you'd still have the problem of one person "breaking the chain" and fucking everything. not to mention bottlenecks all over the fricken place, as basically in some spot, the entire network would be forced through one dudes system. :lol

next, if it's by satellite that the network hopes to exist. also not happening. the latency in internet through satellite is atrocious (you would understand this as massive, MASSIVE lag!). and i mean, not playable at all unless it's turn based. not only that, there is no uploading to a satellite. people who have satellite internet are forced to also have a regular modem connection to the internet to handle the upload (i believe, at least that was how it was back in the day if i recall).
 
Gaia Theory said:
Definite Konami news on the 27th and now possible Nintendo news too? Can't wait to see what Konami has to show!
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I thought this was already confirmed:
PS2 Oz
PS2 Enthusia
PS2 Castlevania
PSP Coded Arms
DS Castlevania
 
Yeah, I just realized how stupid I was being since I myself have had broadband for years...

Obviously, this would qualify as a paradigm shift, if it could work.

That being said, I was hoping more for a paradigm shift in gameplay...
 
Unison said:
But we all have internet connections.... What is the plus, for the gamer, to doing it that way?
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no messing around with routers and networking. not a big deal for the XBL-savvy set (well, most of us), but huge for little jimmy twelveyearold and his folks.
 
I looked at that link, but I don't understand how this could be free. I get that the Nintendo systems would act as hubs and connect to each other, but what about wide stretches of land where there are no consoles? Would Nintendo be filling in the holes there? If so, wouldn't that cost money?
 
shpankey said:
sorry, not happening. having a daisy-chain network would never ever work. not even close. first b/c that kind of technology is star trek and even if it were here, you'd still have the problem of one person "breaking the chain" and fucking everything. not to mention bottlenecks all over the fricken place, as basically in some spot, the entire network would be forced through one dudes system. :lol

next, if it's by satellite that the network hopes to exist. also not happening. the latency in internet through satellite is atrocious. and i mean, not playable at all unless it's turn based. not only that, there is no uploading to a satellite. people who have satellite internet are forced to also have a regular modem connection to the internet to handle the upload (i believe, at least that was how it was back in the day if i recall).
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So not only is this rumor complete fiction, but we are talking science fiction here? Absolutely 100% impossible in this day and age?
 
shpankey said:
sorry, not happening. having a daisy-chain network would never ever work. not even close. first b/c that kind of technology is star trek and even if it were here, you'd still have the problem of one person "breaking the chain" and fucking everything. not to mention bottlenecks all over the fricken place, as basically in some spot, the entire network would be forced through one dudes system.
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The information released so far doesn't say that online gaming will only be done through daisychaining. It mentions base stations, provided by Nintendo/Kyocera that use PHS. This is an existing mobile phone standard. It's pretty believable.
 
This is just the Warp Pipe hype/no-line thing all over again. The range isn't great enough to make it work practically, they'd have to be on all the time, you'd still need servers for anything like PSO ...

Plus, the mobile phone operator isn't going to offer use of their network for free. So the mobile phone bit would imply a cost to the user which is what Nintendo have stated was the reason for not going online.

So flaky online + cost + utterly ridiculous rubbable controller idea = not true.
 
Not that I think it will happen, but wireless play could happen.

www.look.ca

The company I have posted above offers wireless cable services to TV's in the Greater Toronto Area at prices below their cable counterparts. They even let you choose the chanels that you pay for. Through there cable set-top boxes, they also offer internet services.

All for approx $70 CAD.
 
skip said:
no messing around with routers and networking. not a big deal for the XBL-savvy set (well, most of us), but huge for little jimmy twelveyearold and his folks.
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most people don't have routers. you can simply plug your cable modem wire straight into the back of the xbox and your online.

hell, even if you had to use a router, most routers nowadays are simply plug and play. literally. you don't even have to open ports or anything anymore... it's all automatic.

getting online on xbox is childsplay. if you can plug a wire in a hole you pretty much qualify in most cases.
 
In smaller countries like Japan the signal wouldn't be a problem since everyone's tightly packed. In the US and Europe though, they could just have strategically placed repeaters and what not.

Or...Nintendo Satellite?

Star Road?

Hmmmmm...
 
Jonnyram said:
The information released so far doesn't say that online gaming will only be done through daisychaining. It mentions base stations, provided by Nintendo/Kyocera that use PHS. This is an existing mobile phone standard. It's pretty believable.
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That would be a partial answer to my question.

The problem is that networks cost money to run, which translates into money that the user pays. Nintendo doesn't want gamers to have to pay. So I'm wondering how this could work.
 
Jonnyram said:
The information released so far doesn't say that online gaming will only be done through daisychaining. It mentions base stations, provided by Nintendo/Kyocera that use PHS. This is an existing mobile phone standard. It's pretty believable.
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don't those go through satellites though? if they do, then you should read the next part of my post you quoted. satellite internet gaming aint happenin... not unless you're talking about turn based stuff.
 
Considering the 'Nintendo21.com' domain is still available for anyone to register, I'd say that's considerable evidence that this is fake.
 
Vibri said:
Considering the 'Nintendo21.com' domain is still available for anyone to register, I'd say that's considerable evidence that this is fake.
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I'm definitely going to go with FAKE as well.
 
vesuvious said:
So not only is this rumor complete fiction, but we are talking science fiction here? Absolutely 100% impossible in this day and age?
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Not impossible, but inefficient, cumbersome, prone to failure, and not needed.

It's like someone saying, "Hey, everyone's using their 'phone lines' to talk to each other... that's sooo 90s! Let's forget all that and transmit that data using an elaborate system of mirrors on top of everyone's houses! Radical!"
 
AndoCalrissian said:
That would be a partial answer to my question.

The problem is that networks cost money to run, which translates into money that the user pays. Nintendo doesn't want gamers to have to pay. So I'm wondering how this could work.
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I'd love Nintendo for that, but honestly their gripe was that it wasn't profitable for them. So I skeptical as usual. :lol
 
Vibri said:
Considering the 'Nintendo21.com' domain is still available for anyone to register, I'd say that's considerable evidence that this is fake.
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I'd lean towards fake as well, but the domain not being registered is hardly the smoking gun.
 
AndoCalrissian said:
I looked at that link, but I don't understand how this could be free. I get that the Nintendo systems would act as hubs and connect to each other, but what about wide stretches of land where there are no consoles? Would Nintendo be filling in the holes there? If so, wouldn't that cost money?
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impirius said:
It's like someone saying, "Hey, everyone's using their 'phone lines' to talk to each other... that's sooo 90s! Let's forget all that and transmit that data using an elaborate system of mirrors on top of everyone's houses! Radical!"
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Sounds like Nintendo, alright.
 
Vibri said:
Considering the 'Nintendo21.com' domain is still available for anyone to register, I'd say that's considerable evidence that this is fake.
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Doesn't mean a thing. IGN owned "www.n64.com" way after the console was unveiled. Nintendo later simply asked for the domain name and IGN just gave it to them.
 
shpankey said:
not only that, there is no uploading to a satellite. people who have satellite internet are forced to also have a regular modem connection to the internet to handle the upload (i believe, at least that was how it was back in the day if i recall).
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As a guy using Direcway for the past year, I can confirm that is not necessarily the case. People may choose to use a modem connection for the upstream to cut down on that latency issue, though. Upload is much slower than download, too.

AndoCalrissian said:
I looked at that link, but I don't understand how this could be free. I get that the Nintendo systems would act as hubs and connect to each other, but what about wide stretches of land where there are no consoles? Would Nintendo be filling in the holes there? If so, wouldn't that cost money?
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Could be they're satisfied with providing the most functionality to an urban market? I probably wouldn't be connecting to anybody, but then it's not like I've got access to a connection that could be used for Xbox Live where I live, either.
 
vesuvious said:
When the DS info was first leaked/revealed, had NintendoDS.com been registered at that time?
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It was registered on 21 Jan 2004, the day of the official announcement. They'd be crazy to register a domain before the announcement because the information is available to anyone.
 
Did Nintendo register nintendodolphin.con or nintendostarcube.com?

These forums would be so much more fun if it's true.

Especially the part about the rubbable controller. :D
 
skip said:
no messing around with routers and networking. not a big deal for the XBL-savvy set (well, most of us), but huge for little jimmy twelveyearold and his folks.
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While I agree with your Ideal your vision is off.
This is a horribly flawed perspective.
I for one applaud Nintendo for offering a free online solution.
Honestly though I'd believe that only if that time came.
If Nintendo doesn't go online I'm done with them like many others.
If this truly is reveloutionary 100 percent of the players will be online.
Hopefully it has a mic in unit much like the DS to offer voice chat.
Think about it, If one console had free broadband gaming I wouldn't buy the others.

But if this infromation is confirmed Sony and Microsoft can also utilize these features by implimenting them into their hardware.
Impirius I appoint you to Kinesis Koncrite AkA Michael Corleone's army of Death.

*Steps away from podium*

E-9 Impirius Dispose of this Router Lover.
 
impirius said:
Not impossible, but inefficient, cumbersome, prone to failure, and not needed.

It's like someone saying, "Hey, everyone's using their 'phone lines' to talk to each other... that's sooo 90s! Let's forget all that and transmit that data using an elaborate system of mirrors on top of everyone's houses! Radical!"
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he was asking I think about my star trek comment. I said that based on someone else earlier claiming the network would exist solely from Revolution consoles linking to one another. the reason I said it was star trek and not possible is based off the distance those systems would have to reach. literally hundreds and hundreds of miles in some spots. maybe a thousand depending on who have bought this system. and in the beginning it would no doubt have to reach thousands of miles. there is no technology even remotely close to being available that can reach thousands of miles wirelessly without some kind of repeater stations. it's not possible, and that's what I was saying that he responded to.

if they had some repeater stations or whatever, then I guess theoretically it COULD work, but as you suggest, it's as impractical as hell lol. like, so impractical that it's ridiculous to even consider. and also, even if all that worked out, you'd still have MASSIVE networking balance issues, and the bottlenecks would be in the absurd range :lol
 
impirius said:
Not impossible, but inefficient, cumbersome, prone to failure, and not needed.

It's like someone saying, "Hey, everyone's using their 'phone lines' to talk to each other... that's sooo 90s! Let's forget all that and transmit that data using an elaborate system of mirrors on top of everyone's houses! Radical!"
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Considering all the people using cell phones now, your "phone line" example is really stupid. Especially since the system would work very similar to how cell phones work.
 
Jonnyram said:
It mentions base stations, provided by Nintendo/Kyocera that use PHS. This is an existing mobile phone standard. It's pretty believable.
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So Revolution online will be something like Ngage Arena?
 
shpankey said:
most people don't have routers. you can simply plug your cable modem wire straight into the back of the xbox and your online.

hell, even if you had to use a router, most routers nowadays are simply plug and play. literally. you don't even have to open ports or anything anymore... it's all automatic.

getting online on xbox is childsplay. if you can plug a wire in a hole you pretty much qualify in most cases.
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Even with the current routers you'll still get problems like lowID problems on edonkey, inability to transfer/receive files on icq/msn with certain other people.

Or does this have more to do with the integrated firewall? (which i turned off, btw)
 
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