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Revolution info leak?

pkasho said:
Even with the current routers you'll still get problems like lowID problems on edonkey, inability to transfer/receive files on icq/msn with certain other people.

Or does this have more to do with the integrated firewall? (which i turned off, btw)
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none of that relates to gaming online on the xbox though. that same router that gets the lowid on eMule/Donkey will still get online with Xbox Live no sweat. you might (maybe) wouldn't be able to host, at worst. but you would be online, be able to play, download etc. what router do u have btw? does it support plug and play? it's NAT right?

and if you turned off you (Win XP?) integrated firewall, then it wouldn't have anything to do with that.

p.s. pkasho

you just need to forward a few ports on your routers web page to not get the lowid on edonkey (btw.. you should switch to eMule instead; it kicks the ever lovin shit out of edonkey imo).
 
I guess I'm retarded, but I find these possibilities a little exciting...

1gj5vt
 
This rumor may not die until E3 2k5. I don't think Nintendo would reveal public information about this until E3 anyway. Any news about Revolution from the shareholder meetings would be held under wraps anyway, am I right?
 
junkwaffle said:
I guess I'm retarded, but I find these possibilities a little exciting...

1gj5vt
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How do you draw this stuff so fast. Great job btw. I see your stuff on here all the time. How long did that take you to draw. Keep it up, man thats some funny stuff!
 
I wonder if they can add whatever onto leased cell phone towers.
Still not cost efficent for the frugal Nintendo.
They wouldn't go for cell phone pErtnArships would they?
 
shpankey said:
none of that relates to gaming online on the xbox though. that same router that gets the lowid on eMule/Donkey will still get online with Xbox Live no sweat. you might (maybe) wouldn't be able to host, at worst. but you would be online, be able to play, download etc. what router do u have btw? does it support plug and play? it's NAT right?

and if you turned off you (Win XP?) integrated firewall, then it wouldn't have anything to do with that.
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I see.. that'd be pretty nice then.

I have no idea.. i use the microsoft M-510 or sth.. wireless router.




Speaking of which, how does normal wireless internet providers let you access information from across the ocean (or even the ones that aren't wireless...)?

I was thinking this might kinda work like bit torrent, but then not everyone can be connected to everyone else at the same time if the chain is broken.

I'd assume that in places where people would buy a game console, chances are, there will be people around them that'll buy one as well? (I can't imagine a retail shop only selling < 10 consoles to people around their district) So even if one console messes up not the whole chain will be broken?

I can see some problem with, say, connecting from the west coast to the east coast, but even if the network cannot cross the plains/oceans i'd be pretty satisfied with playing with people close to me (relatively on a global scale)...

Then there's also the problem with latency...




Edit: Oh yeah, I might have a problem since my router is no where near my TV... same scenario with many people i know. Is there any way to connect my console wirelessly to my router?
 
pilonv1 said:
So Revolution online will be something like Ngage Arena?
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Not clear. Ngage arena uses GPRS relay stations, which are quite similar to the Japanese PHS system.

The question is whether Nintendo is looking to have the game units communicate with PHS relay stations, or just to use the frequency band for daisychaining. Also, will the PHS stations will tie back to a global network (which Ngage Arena does), or just be used for local connections.
 
Shareholders meetings are held in public, aren't they? It's usually huge gatherings for any publicly traded company. It's not like a board meeting. That's how it works in Sweden at least.
 
Rhindle said:
Not clear. Ngage arena uses GPRS relay stations, which are quite similar to the Japanese PHS system.

The question is whether Nintendo is looking to have the game units communicate with PHS relay stations, or just to use the frequency band for daisychaining. Also, will the PHS stations will tie back to a global network (which Ngage Arena does), or just be used for local connections.
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I know how Ngage Arena works. I was just commenting that their online system could be very similar to Ngage's, which would result in some interesting responses from the faithful here.
 
JJConrad said:
Considering all the people using cell phones now, your "phone line" example is really stupid. Especially since the system would work very similar to how cell phones work.
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Cell phones don't create their own peer-based networks, Bluetooth functions notwithstanding. But okay, replace "phone lines" with "cell phones". The point is the same: there's no need to reinvent the wheel, especially if you're trying to introduce a new, revolutionary, octagonal version. If the goal is to have home consoles connected to a worldwide network, I can think of one that most people have direct access to already.

Some of you may even be using it RIGHT NOW
 
junkwaffle said:
I guess I'm retarded, but I find these possibilities a little exciting...

1gj5vt
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Fuck this shit I can't wait until Need For Speed Underground feat Mario Kart comes out!
Really if you can play people down the block shit could get violent fast.
Nintendo is now mature folks.

After smack down on the UPN 10 O'clock News
Man Shot and killed over Nintendo Reveloution Game!
 
pkasho said:
I'd assume that in places where people would buy a game console, chances are, there will be people around them that'll buy one as well? (I can't imagine a retail shop only selling < 10 consoles to people around their district) So even if one console messes up not the whole chain will be broken?

I can see some problem with, say, connecting from the west coast to the east coast, but even if the network cannot cross the plains/oceans i'd be pretty satisfied with playing with people close to me (relatively on a global scale)...
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you'd still have massive bottlenecking problems and network balancing issues.



pkasho said:
Then there's also the problem with latency...
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very much so!



pkasho said:
Edit: Oh yeah, I might have a problem since my router is no where near my TV... same scenario with many people i know. Is there any way to connect my console wirelessly to my router?
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if it's xbox i know for sure the answer is yes. microsoft actually makes it specifically for that. check xbox.com maybe. or better yet, try ebgames.com in the xbox section.
 
shpankey said:
p.s. pkasho

you just need to forward a few ports on your routers web page to not get the lowid on edonkey (btw.. you should switch to eMule instead; it kicks the ever lovin shit out of edonkey imo).
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teehee, i actually am using eMule~ i usually just say eDonkey instead coz a lot of my friends haven't heard of eMule before

well i do have the port forwarding setting thing that my friend taught me to use (no more lowid), but i still have some msn/icq file tranfer problems that sometimes get fixed when i randomly changed some router settings (maybe that's how i messed it up ~_~)

I mean, my brother upstairs in my LAN can't send things to me in ICQ ><"
 
Nintendo 21 means that Nintendo is going for teh mature crowd! It's all growns up now! KILL KILL KILL

I've noticed something else:

Impirius likes spoiler tags ;p
 
pkasho said:
teehee, i actually am using eMule~ i usually just say eDonkey instead coz a lot of my friends haven't heard of eMule before

well i do have the port forwarding setting thing that my friend taught me to use (no more lowid), but i still have some msn/icq file tranfer problems that sometimes get fixed when i randomly changed some router settings (maybe that's how i messed it up ~_~)

I mean, my brother upstairs in my LAN can't send things to me in ICQ ><"
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do you have icq 2003 pro?

you could always temporarily go into DMZ mode, to get a transfer through if you had to. the reason i ask if you have that version is because some of the old icq's i think used a bunch of different ports or something. i believe the new icq can use just one (default 5190 i think).

o yeah... lastly. go download the brand new Trillian 3.0 and use it instead. the new version of Trillian is amazing. it's so pretty, but at the same time they kept it simple and streamlined; but yet they kept all the powerfull and usefull features.

not to mention i know for a fact it has a setting that allows you to manually and specifically set the port it will use for file transfers for all IM programs (ie: ICQ, AIM, Yahoo, Messenger). so i just manually set all of them to use one single port (all to the same one) and instantly, all my IM's (yes i use all of them, which is why Trillian rules) file transfers worked perfectly. once you set the port for them in Trillian, then just go to your Router's page and forward that one port. heh.
 
Edit: Oh yeah, I might have a problem since my router is no where near my TV... same scenario with many people i know. Is there any way to connect my console wirelessly to my router?
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you need to buy a wireless ethernet bridge, microsoft provides an official one as well.
 
If this is real then wtf could they be releasing for it? Shit, between the GBA, DS, GC and now Nintendo 21...what software do they have coming out for it? It sounds like EAD is busy with DS and GameCube prjects...and it takes really large teams to make games, especially for next gen stuff.
 
hmm... I'm using icq4 (lite)

edit: i had my computer on DMZ before.. maybe i should've set that to the computer sending the file?

btw, msn works fine



on a side note, i always thought it would be funny if Nintendo code-named Revolution with this in mind:

rev·o·lu·tion Audio pronunciation of "revolution" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rv-lshn)
n.

1.
1. Orbital motion about a point, especially as distinguished from axial rotation: the planetary revolution about the sun.
2. A turning or rotational motion about an axis.
3. A single complete cycle of such orbital or axial motion.
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if this news is fake, guess there's still hope~~~ ;)
 
SomeDude said:
If this is real then wtf could they be releasing for it? Shit, between the GBA, DS, GC and now Nintendo 21...what software do they have coming out for it? It sounds like EAD is busy with DS and GameCube prjects...and it takes really large teams to make games, especially for next gen stuff.
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what do you mean exactly? and who is EAD?
 
I've been following Nintendo for a long, long time (like a lot of you, I'm sure) and dare I say that this reeks of their style.

1. Built in Internet that they don't have to pay a penny to maintain -- Check

2. Controller that's compatible with multi-platform titles, but adds invisible functionality (rubbing and gyros) -- Check

3. A medium that's durable, proprietary, and can hold just enough data to beat back the grim reaper -- Check

4. Make a few inroads here and there as concessions to fans of asshole moves they made in the last gen (in this case, built-in storage and a real reason for devs to include network code in their games) -- Check

It just seems like this is inevitably similar to what Nintendo is going to wind up releasing anyway. If this is a fake, we should just give the poster the bragging rights, since he probably just damn well predicted nine tenths of the system, regardless.

The only thing that still doesn't make sense with the new "caddy" design is Satoru's comments that the next system needed to embrace more multimedia functionality (which most of assumed meant they'd go with a slightly more standard disc, or at least weasel in DVD playback).

I cast my Junior Member vote that this is it. With a shrug.

But if this "no line" bullshit actually works in rural America and not just densely populated Japanese metropolis' (by relying first on the local 'hubwork' and then falling back on a national cell signal), you can color me a happy panda.
 
shpankey said:
sorry, not happening. having a daisy-chain network would never ever work. not even close. first b/c that kind of technology is star trek and even if it were here, you'd still have the problem of one person "breaking the chain" and fucking everything. not to mention bottlenecks all over the fricken place, as basically in some spot, the entire network would be forced through one dudes system. :lol

next, if it's by satellite that the network hopes to exist. also not happening. the latency in internet through satellite is atrocious (you would understand this as massive, MASSIVE lag!). and i mean, not playable at all unless it's turn based. not only that, there is no uploading to a satellite. people who have satellite internet are forced to also have a regular modem connection to the internet to handle the upload (i believe, at least that was how it was back in the day if i recall).
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my guess is that the "base stations" do most of the heavy lifting and forming a sort of regional web .
 
They're shooting themselves in the foot again if 5.4 GB is the max the discs will hold when HD-DVD and Blu-Ray put that number to shame.
 
I have a feeling nothing will come of this, but from the sounds of it, it's not altogether implausible, and would include some of the more wildly speculated features (wireless adhoc networks), so why would "NBots am cry"? I dunno, sounds likes a next-gen system with some fairly unique features, but not TOO unique.

Guess we'll wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
I see..

guess i'll try that, thanks~
i've had some trouble with the older versions not importing my contact lists so i didn't use it before.

Any idea what all these msmsgs things that automatically appear on my persistent port forwarding list are?
 
pkasho said:
hmm... I'm using icq4 (lite)

edit: i had my computer on DMZ before.. maybe i should've set that to the computer sending the file?
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i would definately move to the new Trillian and set it to use one single port in the settings. then forward that port in your routers setup page. also have your other system switch to the new Trillian. b/c the problem is definately a port forwarding problem. the reason MSN Messenger works is probably b/c it properly uses network plug and play, so your router opens the port for it correctly.

pkasho said:
I see..

guess i'll try that, thanks~
i've had some trouble with the older versions not importing my contact lists so i didn't use it before.
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icq 2003 pro is not old. it's the latest version.

no idea on your other question. can you give me any more details. like when, where and how they appear.
edit: if you do, send it via PM so we can take it out of this thread.
 
shpankey said:
i would definately move to the new Trillian and set it to use one single port in the settings. then forward that port in your routers setup page. also have your other system switch to the new Trillian. b/c the problem is definately a port forwarding problem. the reason MSN Messenger works is probably b/c it properly uses network plug and play, so your router opens the port for it correctly.
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Speaking of IM Clients, I hear they work great for conversations like these!
 
touche'

:) understood tho ;)

wish the delete post stuff still worked. i'd get rid of em now that he read em.

sorry bout that.
 
M3wThr33 said:
They're shooting themselves in the foot again if 5.4 GB is the max the discs will hold when HD-DVD and Blu-Ray put that number to shame.
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Well I'm fairly certain games that require FMV will need more than that, but isn't half-life 2 only about 2.5 gigs? I guess if needed be they could extend a game to 2 disc.

edit: checked the box, hl2 requires 4.5gb
 
M3wThr33 said:
They're shooting themselves in the foot again if 5.4 GB is the max the discs will hold when HD-DVD and Blu-Ray put that number to shame.
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Not really. The Xbox2 is suppose to still use standard DVD and Blu-ray in the PS3 still isn't a given because the format may not be economical enough in time for launch.
 
shpankey said:
touche'

:) understood tho ;)

wish the delete post stuff still worked. i'd get rid of em now that he read em.

sorry bout that.
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It's cool. See, now I'm doing it.

Somewhat on-topic, it was mentioned that not just the face buttons would have this 'rubbing' feature but the controller itself. I probably really need to get more solid info before commenting on said feature, I can't imagine any zany uses.
 
It might just be my late night comprehension skills, but I interprete this info as a sort of portable/home system mixture? It also seems to imply downloadable games at stores and such. The disc covers would make sense then.

I hope the 27th announcement is true, boards are gonna light up minie3 style.
 
captainbiotch said:
It might just be my late night comprehension skills, but I interprete this info as a sort of portable/home system mixture? It also seems to imply downloadable games at stores and such. The disc covers would make sense then.

I hope the 27th announcement is true, boards are gonna light up minie3 style.
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:lol you aint a kiddin! for that reason alone i hope it's true :lol
 
While we're on the subject of pre-rendered CG and/or video...WHY? Isn't the whole point of newer, more powerful, and more capable hardware in game systems to supplant the use of any sort of video feed in them? So, then, begs the question...what're you planning to do with all of that space given to you in media formats such as HD-DVD and BRD? I know that audio will eat up more and more space as the need and expectancy of it increases....but then you have much more impressive compression techniques out there to fairly easily keep that in check on a normal DVD 9. High-resolution textures and such? I don't see why you'd need more than a DVD 9.

Anyway, I just don't see the importance of the new video formats as I did DVD. DVD was a needed evolution that was well-overdue at the time of its release ('96-'97). The new formats seem to be too soon after the mass-market adoption of DVD and relatively too little in their offerings and improvements over the current standards. Really, it seems too much like a way for certain consumer electronics giants to cash in on things they lost their control over in the last few years by creating a new iteration...a do-over of sorts...in the guise of bleeding edge advancement of consumer audio-video products. Just seems too rushed.
 
KiNeSiS said:
While I agree with your Ideal your vision is off.
This is a horribly flawed perspective.
I for one applaud Nintendo for offering a free online solution.
Honestly though I'd believe that only if that time came.
If Nintendo doesn't go online I'm done with them like many others.
If this truly is reveloutionary 100 percent of the players will be online.
Hopefully it has a mic in unit much like the DS to offer voice chat.
Think about it, If one console had free broadband gaming I wouldn't buy the others.

But if this infromation is confirmed Sony and Microsoft can also utilize these features by implimenting them into their hardware.
Impirius I appoint you to Kinesis Koncrite AkA Michael Corleone's army of Death.

*Steps away from podium*

E-9 Impirius Dispose of this Router Lover.
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what the fuck are you on?
 
and who is EAD?
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EAD. As in the "we make Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda games" EAD.

And I call fake on this. I'll be surprised if Nintendo announces their next system during winter, especially when they've been keeping secret so long, for the thing to be coming out at the end of the year. Specs might be shown at E3 or something, but the special dealy it has wont be unveiled until later, I bet.
 
I smell a faaaaaaaaaaake.

First of all, its not that difficult to come up with a theory of Nintendo using the Revolution as a "self sustained server" given Nintendo's own quotes and what they've done with the DS. Something like this could be where Nintendo's going, but I think this is more of a guess on this person's part.

Secondly, think about how stupid the name Nintendo 21 is for a second. Uh, hello ... remember the Nintendo 64? Just for marketing reasons you'd never do that simply because it will confuse people and possibly make them think its less powerful than even the N64.

Also "rubbing" ... seriously? How many games would that really be applicable for?

I've heard Nintendo is planning to sign a deal with Apple Computer (who will be opening their own game division). As part of the deal, Game Boy Next will come with the basic model and an advanced model co-branded by Apple which has a hard-drive for MP3/photo/game data storage. The two will also work together to design the Revolution game chipset, which will be included in future Apple Computers/set-top boxes.

Finally, Apple and Nintendo will jointly launch an i-Games service which allows for the download of older Nintendo titles to Game Boy Next or Revolution machines.

Now all I gotta do is post this on a website and watch the misinformation spread all over the place.

And :lol at Nintendo launching in 2005.
 
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