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Revolution Specuation Thread Mark II (UNCONFIRMED RUMORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE GO HERE)
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Smiles and Cries
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DieNgamers said:
that was the worst move by nintendo and reggie... showing that crap :lol
http://www.ps3news.ca/02232006/17/inside_the_industry_electronic_arts_interview
Touch sensitivity? :O
Zerodoppler
Member
Smiles and Cries said:
"As you can see, Revolution will more than hold it's own in graphical performance."
It's the only nintendo conference I've seen where the audience is dead silent when they get a glimpse of a new game. :lol
the androgyne
Member
Not as bad as the muted applause for Celda while miyamoto disapointingly smiled!
Smiles and Cries said:
The MP3 trailer actually looked pretty nice. The demo was made on a souped up GC in a few days, so that shows nothing of the final version.
It didn't make people go wow, but at least it got people talking about it. AND at least it wasn't as bad as the XBox 360 showing on MTV...
It might be worth mentioning that that vid is from the e3 conference aimed at retailers and such, held a few days after the big Nintendo e3 press conference. They tend be a less... enthusiastic than the cheering and crying Nintendo fan crowd the main conference attracts, I'd imagine.Zerodoppler said:
From what I remember though, the reaction at the main conference to the MP3 trailer was roughly "HEY A MP3 TRAILE-... wait, it's already over?".
They should call the console the Nintendo "Teh Mysterious" because it's an absolute mystery.
I'm still wondering about that front flap myself. If it was for SD/Memory cards, I don't see why they wouldn't have show it considering they showed off the GCN interface flap. Better yet, if it's for SD/Memory cards, why couldn't they go the GCN-design route where each slot has a little push-in door cover to protect it from dust?
The only logical thing I can think of is maybe a sensor(s) is in there and it's attached to a thin retractable wire that rolls in and out like measuring tape.
I'm still wondering about that front flap myself. If it was for SD/Memory cards, I don't see why they wouldn't have show it considering they showed off the GCN interface flap. Better yet, if it's for SD/Memory cards, why couldn't they go the GCN-design route where each slot has a little push-in door cover to protect it from dust?
The only logical thing I can think of is maybe a sensor(s) is in there and it's attached to a thin retractable wire that rolls in and out like measuring tape.
AndoCalrissian
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I'm not sure, but I think developing for DS is actually supposed to be cheaper than developing for GBA. I saw numbers floating around somewhere before.AdmiralViscen said:
Blackcherry
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What is the price of a GBA dev kit?
DefectiveReject
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i think that video looks quite sweet of MP3. And i'm sure its looking a hella lot better now.
Ark-AMN said:
And now we know that by that time, not even a prototype of the Hollywood chip was available to devs. I would like to read the interview or whatever where a retro guy stated it was put together in such a short amount of time. In the meanwhile, Nintendo's dev site isn't showing any sign of Revolution information whatsoever. (aside from general news and press releases)
PkunkFury said:
I used some cardboard deals with this one DVD a couple years ago...it worked really nice. Instead of it being blue/red it was like black/white (more like tinted/clear). I remember them being much better than olden 3D glasses and I think it had more to do with the movie than the glasses themselves...although the color didn't seem to be as distorted with the black/white ones I used.
I wonder if anyone noticed that alot of those clips they used in the TGS video the people playing with the REVmote were playing games in the dark. 3D works better in the dark.
Talk of 3D glasses is ridiculous imo. All that would do is make the images on your TV look like they are fling towards you. If an astroid were to fly out of your TV, you wouldn't be able to aim at it and shoot it would you?
If its nothing more than special effects its nothing. It would only be special if you could interact with the 3D object in 3D, but we're a long way from that!
Then again I have no idea how movie studios hope to implement stereoscopic 3D either, how will that benefit movies? Spykids was shit gimmicky crap. How is stereoscopic 3D more revolutionary than previous forms of crappy 3D? Its clearly going to happen in films so maybe they will do it for Rev since some game company beat them to it. But you know it'd be funny if they meant Nintendo's movie business beat them to it, not the games business, and I wouldn't be surprised by that actually knowing Nintendo.
The whole glasses/visor/helmet thing has been dismissed by everyone who knows anything. If you can do it without glasses thats a different matter.
If its nothing more than special effects its nothing. It would only be special if you could interact with the 3D object in 3D, but we're a long way from that!
Then again I have no idea how movie studios hope to implement stereoscopic 3D either, how will that benefit movies? Spykids was shit gimmicky crap. How is stereoscopic 3D more revolutionary than previous forms of crappy 3D? Its clearly going to happen in films so maybe they will do it for Rev since some game company beat them to it. But you know it'd be funny if they meant Nintendo's movie business beat them to it, not the games business, and I wouldn't be surprised by that actually knowing Nintendo.
The whole glasses/visor/helmet thing has been dismissed by everyone who knows anything. If you can do it without glasses thats a different matter.
Revo devkits (at least current ones) are 2000$ (By the way, IIRC, GBA devkits are free, now).
Those nombers were kinda "biazed". They've been obtained by the mean of some (between 5 and a hundred, depending on the console) budgets for games.
If you compare budgets of Pac pix, Wario ware, Feel the magic, Brain training, etc. (and a lot of 1st generation DS software) with big buget GBA titles, you'll of course see DS titles cheaper to make.
Throw in FF3, Mario kart, Tales of, Seiken budgets and such and the problem will be quite different !
Shiggy said:Well, this is possible with the Revolution controller afaik
Are you hinting at something? I know the revmote can work in 3D space, but how will the console know that there is an image where you are pointing?
Previous 3D glasses had an object be on the TV, like a stick, and it would swing out towards you and look like it was going to hit you. But its still on the TV and its still just an optical illusion.
You cant reach out to where you think the stick is and touch it, so you can't point your revmote at what is basically an optical illusion and shoot it.
You also can't have a bullet fly out of the TV and towards you, whatever is being projected has to be on the TV at the time. We're not talking about holograms coming out of the TV here.
Chittagong
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The Gamespot board post on Rev digged up some interesting, already forgotten quotes from Miyamoto and Iwata on Revolution:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24321276
Projectors FTW?
Shigeru Miyamoto said:
Satoru Iwata said:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24321276
Projectors FTW?
kaizoku said:
I know...it just seems unlikely/gimmicky, but it's still possible.
I mentioned before that there's black/white 3D glasses...basically it was more like clear over one eye and a more tinted eyepeice over the other eye. Like with blue/red 3D glasses the blue colors (on screen) apeared closser to one eye and vise versa with the red. With the black/white version the clear part seemed to be just normal so when you looked thru it you saw straight thru to the TV for the "far away" vision. The tinted side gave your other eye a more "up close" vision as some of the images on screen seemed to pop out.
Now, you (and others) have said that no one wants to wear goofy goggles, helmets or glasses...but what about headsets? I know tons of people on XBL who use headsets and we know Nintendo is dabbling with mic/headset stuff already, so this is where my theory comes in for how Nintendo could do it.
Basically you have a clip-on earpeice with a mic & headset speaker for communicating...but let's say they add an eyepeice that folds out over one eye that gives a tinted "up close" vision while the other eye has the normal "far away" vision...BAM...instant 3D. It wouldn't look dorky and (since Revolution already has BlueTooth) it could be wireless which means it wouldn't be a hassle...plus it wouldn't be a neccessity since the image on screen would be veiwable with or without the eyepeice (whether they're playing the game or just someone watching). This wouldn't be cutting edge or anything, but it would be a cool/doable way to go about adding 3D to Revolution. Images seen on screen would look normal without the eyepeice, but thanks to some special Revolution-only GPU tweaks, the same image seen thru the eyepeice would give "up close" images while the uncovered naked eye sees the normal "far away" images directly on the screen.
Note that not all games would use this, so it's not like Nintendo is tethering you...like the Super FX chip & Rumble Pak, they're just extra additions to enhance certain games.
I think those Brooke Burgess comments are quite interesting.
"we?re not talking about 3d VR?? I think we?re talkin about stereoscopic 3d?."
Brooke answers: Damn skippy, ngSliv??BIG difference
Later he says this:
"Will they show the hardware? Of course?and they?ll especially showcase the Rev wireless network - along with DS - all through the convention centre AND LA. 3D headgear? nope. 3D ?presentation??
Oh?and the big games they?ll push at the show - to showcase the new hardware, controller, display, and ?communication? aspects - will be Pilotwings, Smash Bros, Mario ?128?, Metroid?.oh yeah, and that whole Zelda thing."
http://brokensaints.com/blog/?p=312
But is he trustworthy?
"we?re not talking about 3d VR?? I think we?re talkin about stereoscopic 3d?."
Brooke answers: Damn skippy, ngSliv??BIG difference
Later he says this:
"Will they show the hardware? Of course?and they?ll especially showcase the Rev wireless network - along with DS - all through the convention centre AND LA. 3D headgear? nope. 3D ?presentation??
Oh?and the big games they?ll push at the show - to showcase the new hardware, controller, display, and ?communication? aspects - will be Pilotwings, Smash Bros, Mario ?128?, Metroid?.oh yeah, and that whole Zelda thing."
http://brokensaints.com/blog/?p=312
But is he trustworthy?
PkunkFury
Member
kaizoku said:
yeah this is one reason why 3D would be purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay. You'd need to strap a head tracker onto the player as well (which they could do I suppose) in order to hope to accurately interact with the 3D illusion, but the accuracy still wouldn't be good enough for a game I think
and I think that Brooke guy was full of crap. Wasn't he just gessing like everyone else to drum up publicity for his site? It doesn't change the fact 3D is a possibility, but I wouldn't quote him
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
Revolution=Expandable MediaCenter by Nintendo.
Nash said:
Exactly...even I think putting a projector in the console (or making the stand a "battery" for that matter) is too wild of a theory. However, that's not to stay that they couldn't come up with a cheap/doable eyepeice + headset + head tracker + "Hollywood" GPU 3D special effects method to do just as good.
Read the broken saints blog, sounds like brooke is at it again this year.
I dont know why he would do this, its not like he's some anonymous guy who can go and hide when his lies are exposed. He has an ongoing company or production going. I can only assume his intentions are genuine or he really needs to stir up traffic for his site and himself.
That said, he just confirmed that Nintendo will be showing off a new display for Rev. Seems awfully sure about the whole 3D thing, he's been saying it for a friggin year.
Purely on a level which does not affect gameplay, it would be pretty fun, having zombies try to grab you, having spiders jump out at you or whatever. Even if you can't interact with them, or even dodge them, it would make scary games really fucking scary
But there is no way you can interact with them, even with a head tracking thing, its just not gonna happen. There are too many variables, too many walls to overcoe for it to be a Nintendo gaming experience.
I dont know why he would do this, its not like he's some anonymous guy who can go and hide when his lies are exposed. He has an ongoing company or production going. I can only assume his intentions are genuine or he really needs to stir up traffic for his site and himself.
That said, he just confirmed that Nintendo will be showing off a new display for Rev. Seems awfully sure about the whole 3D thing, he's been saying it for a friggin year.
Purely on a level which does not affect gameplay, it would be pretty fun, having zombies try to grab you, having spiders jump out at you or whatever. Even if you can't interact with them, or even dodge them, it would make scary games really fucking scary
But there is no way you can interact with them, even with a head tracking thing, its just not gonna happen. There are too many variables, too many walls to overcoe for it to be a Nintendo gaming experience.
I remember reading about some sort of technology Steven Speilberg was using for displaying stereoscopic 3D on a normal screen which didn't require any ridiculous headgear to experience and worked through the way it displayed an image.
I can't even begin to comprehend how this might work, but if it is just some feature that works on the beck-end of the system (no user involvement) then i don't see how it can be a bad thing. Unless it costs huge sums of money.
I can't even begin to comprehend how this might work, but if it is just some feature that works on the beck-end of the system (no user involvement) then i don't see how it can be a bad thing. Unless it costs huge sums of money.
DrGAKMAN said:
It just isn't practical.
A wireless headset with a screen would mean streaming video from the console to the headset, or the headset would generate it's own visuals which would make it very expensive and would still need to be fed with data telling it what to draw anyway. They aren't going to stream video along with everything else the controller is sending. So the only option you are left with is a wired headset.
All you'd really achieve with such a set-up is a HUD that's not on the TV anyway. Stereoscopic 3D isn't based on things that are close and things that are far away, it's 2 distinct views for both the left and right eyes. All red/blue glasses, or polarised glasses, or shuttered ones, do is offer different ways of showing the left eye one image and the right eye the other.
PhoenixDark
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PhoenixDark said:
NOTE***: The following post is SPECULATION and EXTRAPOLATION based upon available information and industry connections. Please do not take what?s written below as FACT or GOSPEL?otherwise, you do so at your own reputational risk
And with the 3D thing he seems to be quite sure.
The only thing I think is remotely possible where 3D is concerned, is Nintendo will announce a partnership with Sharp or something and offer separate displays which use their 3D LCD panels. Maybe small portable ones like the GC displays that they never released. 3D displays using a parallax grid have come quite a long way, and don't require a headset, they just have a limited viewing angle to experience the 3D effect.
Revolution games could support it in hardware, so it would be there as an option for people who want to experience it. The question would be whether it would be worth the effort on Nintendo's part to support something that is optional, and an expensive option at that. Probably not.
Revolution games could support it in hardware, so it would be there as an option for people who want to experience it. The question would be whether it would be worth the effort on Nintendo's part to support something that is optional, and an expensive option at that. Probably not.
PkunkFury
Member
Nash said:
That magazine article rumor posted a while back showed a roll-out lenticular display being a peripheral for the Rev (do roll-out lenticular displays exist/ work?) One of the problems with these displays is that you'de need to render the image once each frame for every viewing angle the display allows. I've seen 9 angle lenticualrs that work really well, but they aren't usually all that good for real time graphics because of the rendering overhead. However, I've heard some companies have been expermineting with 5 angles on current generation games with good results. I also think you lose resolution on these displays, but I can't quite remember if that was true
PkunkFury
Member
Error2k4 said:
and this Aries guy was even worse than Brooke. It is a shame Nintendo even mentioned some features hadn't been revealed, cuz it leaves every 10-15 year old Nintendo fan open to attacks from these creeps. I'd rather Nintendo had just kept their lips shut and surprised is with more info this May
Nash said:
Woah woah woah...where did I say goggles or a VR helmet??? I said headset, like the XBL headset. Go and read what I said again...not glasses, not goggles, not a helmet, just a small mic/headphone/eyepeice/head tracker headset!
Also, I'm not suggesting something comparable to stereo scopic 3D nor anything too too advanced...basically just a few steps above blue/red 3D glasses.
Um... Aries is PhoenixDark. The poster at GAF.
Any even remotely competent 3D technology is way too expensive for Nintendo's goals with Rev. If you want Nintendo to embarass themselves with cheap, 'two clicks and a step above Shrek 4D' 3D, you're basically hoping they suck and die.
Please, LET THE 3D DREAM DIE. A few more generations and we may start to be there.
DrGAKMAN said:
Any even remotely competent 3D technology is way too expensive for Nintendo's goals with Rev. If you want Nintendo to embarass themselves with cheap, 'two clicks and a step above Shrek 4D' 3D, you're basically hoping they suck and die.
Please, LET THE 3D DREAM DIE. A few more generations and we may start to be there.
PkunkFury said:
Yeah, and Nintendo's 'one more thing' announcements aren't usually of the Apple variety and tend to be an anticlimax.
I think the remote is obviously it's biggest thing, and that anything else will be of the microphone/dynamic-rumble variety. Probably a good thing, as the next big focus should be the games not some hologram generator made from Roswell parts.
PkunkFury
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DrGAKMAN said:
The eye peice you describe would need to have streaming video (like a headset) in order to give a 3D effect. It couldn't filter the image on the TV for you because your other eye (without the eyepeice) would be seeing the blurry unfiltered image. The only way eyepeices would help is if they were over both eyes (i.e anaglyphic glasses)