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Revolution Thanksgiving 2006

littlewig said:
I don't understand the "possible less" part. How do the developers know? Did Nintendo tell them,

"here, work with 128MB, but don't take that to heart because we might lower them later." :lol

Seriously, it sounds bias, they have the prenotion that Nintendo's system will be weak. They are working on incomplete hardware and have being very conservative because Nintendo hasn't been stressing power.

When developers were working on Alpha Kits for the Xbox360, they went head over heels claiming that the system will be more powerful, and they didn't have any proof, just MS word...

Samething is happening here, but because Nintendo hasn't been stressing power, they assume the worst.
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Hello littlewig. What color is the sky in your world?
 
SolidSnakex said:
I don't disagree with trying to go for a different market, but I think by making their system this underpowered that they aren't going to be able to do it because it'll likely drop the number of ports developers are willing to do for the system. If they're going to not win the next gen then yah I guess its a good idea, but if they want to then doing this probably isn't the best way.
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what good are ports really going to do though? If the Revolution was as powerful as an Xbox360 and cost $400, would Splinter Cell 4 or Tom Clancy's Military Game really make people run out and buy one over PS3 or Xbox360? I doubt it. It would be PS2/Xbox/GC all over again. Regardless of how powerful it is, if Revolution is a success, its going to be because of the original content, be it from nintendo or 3rd parties, not because of ports.
 
littlewig said:
When developers were working on Alpha Kits for the Xbox360, they went head over heels claiming that the system will be more powerful, and they didn't have any proof, just MS word...
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Logic would tell you that alpha kits would be weaker than final hardware. One wouldn't need MS to tell them that.
 
littlewig said:
It's called critical thinking. Deal with it.
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You are too much. Really. Specs of consoles have been downgraded in the past before a console releases. I can take most people thinking rationally, but you are in denial.

And I don't see how the Revolution could create those graphics with those specifications.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
what good are ports really going to do though? If the Revolution was as powerful as an Xbox360 and cost $400, would Splinter Cell 4 or Tom Clancy's Military Game really make people run out and buy one over PS3 or Xbox360? I doubt it. It would be PS2/Xbox/GC all over again. Regardless of how powerful it is, if Revolution is a success, its going to be because of the original content, be it from nintendo or 3rd parties, not because of ports.
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Yeah, i mean nintendo had EA advertising gamecube versions o f games on tv and in papers and all that shit. It didn't help.


People bought xboxen for halo and stayed for all the other random fps games. People bought ps2 because they had ps1s and then even more people bought it because of GTA.

Big surprise none of these games are ports! Now, i guess a certain degree of shovelware is necessary for a system to stay afloat, but its not the secret to success.
 
if man-boob Matt posts it, it must be true

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alpha kits!
only 30% of power!
looks better in motion!
it's still a lont way until launch!
who needs shadows when you have boobs!
bump-mapping > good art!
 
littlewig said:
And working on Gamecube Dev kits means the final deal?
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Okay, let's just listen to your "critical thinking" and toss what the actual reputable gaming site said. The dev kits will be significantly weaker than the actual console, featuring half the ram and 1/3 the processing power. Blah blah blah.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Regardless of how powerful it is, if Revolution is a success, its going to be because of the original content, be it from nintendo or 3rd parties, not because of ports.
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Exactly. Someone said the very same in one of these two Rev threads. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. Anything else is a bonus.
 
Letter to Elise said:
Only bitter that to provide damage control, you have to resort to slamming another console.

I'm in for the REV no matter what as I need the next next Zelda.

~l2e
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Relax. I wasn't "slamming" another console. I was just kidding and I'm equal opportunity at that.

Geesh, some people get so defensive over their consoles.

Damage control??
 
So is this still going to launch at $200?

I'm all for innovation and Nintendo and whatnot, but $200 for dated hardware is sort of pushing it.
 
sp0rsk said:
Well, who is to say graphics are the leading factor in the console market?
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I don't think it is the leading factor, its just a bigger factor than some give it credit for. A big thing that helped MS this gen was that it was the strongest console, so it was able to get the best version of certain games (mostly PC) because it was really theo nly one that could handle them properly. But something to consider with the Rev is that if what's been said about it is true, we've never seen a system come out that's as underpowered compared to its competitors as it will be.

Ninja Scooter said:
what good are ports really going to do though?
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For system library. While some won't be all that impressed by ports it helps cushion a software library between bigger releases (including bigger releases of multiplatform titles) if all you've got is big release and then a large gap it's not going to work. You need something in between to keep people occupied.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Okay, let's just listen to your "critical thinking" and toss what the actual reputable gaming site said. The dev kits will be significantly weaker than the actual console, featuring half the ram and 1/3 the processing power. Blah blah blah.
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When you come up with an actual arguement instead of childish remarks, then'll we'll have a honest discussion.

Fact is, you never accepted the idea of Revolution might actually being powerful. There is no point in discussing the matter with you any longer.
 
fatty said:
Relax. I wasn't "slamming" another console. I was just kidding and I'm equal opportunity at that.

Geesh, some people get so defensive over their consoles.

Damage control??
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See that's where you're offbase. I don't have "a" console of preference. I just think the 360 slamming is off topic and desperate in a Nintendo thread.

~l2e
 
SolidSnakex said:
I don't think it is the leading factor, its just a bigger factor than some give it credit for. A big thing that helped MS this gen was that it was the strongest console, so it was able to get the best version of certain games (mostly PC) because it was really theo nly one that could handle them properly. But something to consider with the Rev is that if what's been said about it is true, we've never seen a system come out that's as underpowered compared to its competitors as it will be.
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It's completely different though.
 
littlewig said:
Fact is, you never accepted the idea of Revolution might actually being powerful. There is no point in discussing the matter with you any longer.
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Accepted the idea? You, apparently, have never accepted the idea otherwise. But unlike you, the "it won't be powerful" crowd has plenty of reference material. Wait, you're not still clinging to "you will say wow," are you?

It's gimped. Everyone knows it's gimped. It's up to the controller to sell the system and make people care.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I don't think it is the leading factor, its just a bigger factor than some give it credit for. A big thing that helped MS this gen was that it was the strongest console, so it was able to get the best version of certain games (mostly PC) because it was really theo nly one that could handle them properly. But something to consider with the Rev is that if what's been said about it is true, we've never seen a system come out that's as underpowered compared to its competitors as it will be.



For system library. While some won't be all that impressed by ports it helps cushion a software library between bigger releases (including bigger releases of multiplatform titles) if all you've got is big release and then a large gap it's not going to work. You need something in between to keep people occupied.
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the controller is a friggin remote. Forget about what MS or Sony did or what worked for them, Nintendo isn't going that direction (if this stuff is all true).
 
littlewig said:
When you come up with an actual arguement instead of childish remarks, then'll we'll have a honest discussion.

Fact is, you never accepted the idea of Revolution might actually being powerful. There is no point in discussing the matter with you any longer.
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No offense, but your argument IS illogical.

I said, "show me evidence" before. You said I lacked common sense. Now I have some evidence. You dismiss it as rumor-mongering.

Nothing will satisfy you until Nintendo puts a halt to your argument and then you go into damage control mode. You deride everyone who disagrees with you by suggesting only your statements are products of critical thought. Frankly, I've had enough of your childishness.

If I've never accepted it could be strong (which I now have more than simple logic to show), you have never accepted it could be weak-- the only evidence you have presented so far directly flies in the face of what has been presented so far.

Enjoy.
 
Sounds good. Its going to be $199 for sure now. Games are probably going to stay at the $50 mark.

Just show me some games.
 
GitarooMan said:
Right but the comments from the devs are regarding what they might have been told about final kits, not dev kits. For example

IGN said:
Third parties have revealed to us that the console will top out with 128MBs of RAM, and possibly even less. One studio would not give us an exact figure, but did say, "The same as GameCube plus an extra 64MB of main RAM." That number is by comparison nearly triple the amount of memory in GameCube. However, it is a far cry from the 512MBs present in Xbox 360.
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I take that with a pretty big grain of salt as in the very same article it clearly says the specs are not final. Also, would this "128" number include the ram for gpu as well? Are the devs saying the kits they have now top out at 128 MB or are these the final specs the system is supposed to be capable of? They clearly said they don't know what the system is capable of. There's still not enough info to make any kind of judgements. It's nice to have some news, but we still know nothing. This is essentially the same news EGM reported.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Microsoft said doubling the ram was a very expensive decision they had to make. I could see Nintendo doing that and then just selling it at 99. It makes sense with the refusal to support HD.
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I've had more than one developer tell me that they had a good night out at the pub the day Microsoft told them there would be 512.
 
Odysseus said:
Accepted the idea? You, apparently, have never accepted the idea otherwise. But unlike you, the "it won't be powerful" crowd has plenty of reference material. Wait, you're not still clinging to "you will say wow," are you?

It's gimped. Everyone knows it's gimped. It's up to the controller to sell the system and make people care.
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I never claimed the Revolution will be powerful, learn to read. I'm suggesting that these developers might not know the whole truth, and the only reason they are giving these estimates on the power of Revolution is because Nintendo hasn't been stressing power.
I'm prefectly fine with the Revolution being underpowered because it offers so much more.

Either way, these developers were in the same boat with MS during the Alpha kit days, but they continued to claim the power of Xbox360 because MS said the system would be power.

Only got bashed, yet to see any real discussion.
 
raYne said:
Exactly. Someone said the very same in one of these two Rev threads. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. Anything else is a bonus.
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But if Nintendo wants to be no. 1 again they are going to have to appeal to gamers who buy games no matter who the publisher is.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I take that with a pretty big grain of salt as in the very same article it clearly says the specs are not final. Also, would this "128" number include the ram for gpu as well? Are the devs saying the kits they have now top out at 128 MB or are these the final specs the system is supposed to be capable of? They clearly said they don't know what the system is capable of. There's still not enough info to make any kind of judgements. It's nice to have some news, but we still know nothing. This is essentially the same news EGM reported.
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You are missing the overall conclusion. The Revolution will be significantly weaker than the other two consoles. Arguing over dev kits/alpha kits is a diversion that seems to be stopping us from acknowledging the elephant in the room.
 
dorio said:
But if Nintendo wants to be no. 1 again they are going to have to appeal to gamers who buy games no matter who the publisher is.
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Making money and profits is more important than winning the Fanboy Olympics.
 
Stench said:
So is this still going to launch at $200?

I'm all for innovation and Nintendo and whatnot, but $200 for dated hardware is sort of pushing it.
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Maybe less? Latest EGM has a small blurb about rumblings of a "shockingly" low priced revolution. $99 FTW.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
You are missing the overall conclusion. The Revolution will be significantly weaker than the other two consoles. Arguing over dev kits/alpha kits is a diversion that seems to be stopping us from acknowledging the elephant in the room.
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Come on... it's nowhere near as powerful as an elephant. Maybe a mouse, I'll give you a mouse.
 
I'm wondering why merrick would go out of his way to send whats his name a dev kit if it couldnt run the unreal 3 engine?
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
No offense, but your argument IS illogical.

I said, "show me evidence" before. You said I lacked common sense. Now I have some evidence. You dismiss it as rumor-mongering.

Nothing will satisfy you until Nintendo puts a halt to your argument and then you go into damage control mode. You deride everyone who disagrees with you by suggesting only your statements are products of critical thought. Frankly, I've had enough of your childishness.

If I've never accepted it could be strong (which I now have more than simple logic to show), you have never accepted it could be weak-- the only evidence you have presented so far directly flies in the face of what has been presented so far.

Enjoy.
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i wouldnt consider this article evidence
 
littlewig said:
I never claimed the Revolution will be powerful, learn to read. I'm suggesting that these developers might not know the whole truth, and the only reason they are giving these estimates on the power of Revolution is because Nintendo hasn't been stressing power.
I'm prefectly fine with the Revolution being underpowered because it offers so much more.

Either way, these developers were in the same boat with MS during the Alpha kit days, but they continued to claim the power of Xbox360 because MS said the system would be power.

Only got bashed, yet to see any real discussion.
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Did you read the article? Nintendo told them what to expect.
 
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