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Revolution Thanksgiving 2006

not for nothing...
but supposedly the revolution launches tgiving 06.. you really think nintendo would release games with slightly better xbox graphics after 360 type graphics have been around for a year and also ps3 graphics been around for a few months at that point.

that is like suicide.. i know the big N doesnt stress the graphics as much as the others.. but that would be pure stupidity..

i believe the rev will match/slighty better than 360 and ps3 will trump them all..

again none of us know till they reveal something
 
Sounds great. I mean at this point I'm not buying the Rev for it's power. I buying a 360 for that. Its all about how the games take advantage of the controller.

SHOW US GAMES NINTENDO!
 
I suspect they'd probably be able to launch with a price of $99 and not lose that much, but I think a price that low just screams "cheap" to consumers. So they'll probably launch at $150-200. But at that price they could spend money on extras, maybe two controllers per system or maybe even the return of a pack-in Mario game?

Seeing how Mario will most likely be the "demo game" to show off how to use the controller, it makes a lot of sense to have it come with every system sold.
 
Schattenjagger said:
that is like suicide.. i know the big N doesnt stress the graphics as much as the others.. but that would be pure stupidity..
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They might actually think this controller is something people will want. I doubt it, but it's not my company on the line, either.

Schattenjagger said:
i believe the rev will match/slighty better than 360 and ps3 will trump them all..
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And I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Please do. I mean, if you can. Which, of course, you can't.

The logical conclusion from that argument is obvious. Since Nintendo paid the same as Microsoft, they are getting the same. They obviously aren't. It's a blatantly obvious equivocation fallacy.
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There's no proof either way is there!

But seeing as ATI make desktop and mobile graphics chips, and Nintendo requested a low-heat/low-power-consumption chip, chances are what Nintendo will get for their money is a variant of their current laptop chipset. In the same way as Microsoft got a variant of their current desktop chipset.

I think this is far more likely than ATI coming back to Nintendo with something barely different than a 4 year old Flipper. Not for that amount of investment.
 
littlewig said:
Your arguement fails because you assume the Revolution won't be powerful.
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Actually, that's what makes me correct.

Plus, your whole point of view is circular. You think the Revolution will be weak because Nintendo isn't getting the same chip as MS, your claim that the Revolution isn't getting the same chip as MS is because the Revolution is weak, CIRCULAR.
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Okay, I'm just going to direct you back to the original words. My argument is very clear, and that it is impossible for you and your "side" to offer any proof contradicting recent rumors.

This is a strawman. I never made this argument you said I did. I simply claimed that the other argument was equivocation. Somebody else said you had the literacy issues, not me.

Simplified for you?

Please, it's over for you.
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LOL. SERIOUSLY. Raising the level of discourse, are you? :lol
 
im guessing they just got told the cpu specs and nothing else and just basing off of that. they haven't been told what else is in the motherboard for god's sake!
 
I love these types of threads because it really shows how pathetic the fanboys really are. Nintendo fans defend their system of choice, while the "haters" try to fool themselves into believing that this could actually be it for Nintendo, and there is that slim hope that they'll go 2nd or 3rd party and support their system of choice.

And for the "haters" that are going to respond saying they don't like Nintendo games, you know that's bullshit. Why are you in this thread then, trying to force the fact that the system is going to be underpowered? If you don't care so much, then you wouldn't even bother responding to a thread like this.

That said:

DS > PSP

Rev > PS3? Rev > X360?

Only time, and consumers, will tell...
 
littlewig said:
Y2Kevbug11, I have alreayd proven that your arguement for the Revolution being weak is circular.

You lose.
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No, you didn't. You said it was. Then you said something irrelevant...then you said it was again.

That...doesn't do anything. Whatever. Your permanent "junior member" monkier is so apt.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Making money and profits is more important than winning the Fanboy Olympics.
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heh, yep. i don't think Nintendo is interested in waving their waggle wand against Sony and MS.
 
littlewig said:
Y2Kevbug11, I have alreayd proven that your arguement for the Revolution being weak is circular.

You lose.
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Actually, by what you quoted, it appeared as if he was putting in an invalid circular argument that the Nintendo crowd has been using. You know, saying Nintendo is paying ATi and IBM just like Microsoft is, therefore Nintendo will be getting similar and/or better parts than Microsoft. But interpret it your own way, much in the same way you have totally skipped over parts of the IGN article referring to developer commentary about the power of the Revolution. Continue believing what you wish.
 
Odysseus said:
Actually, by what you quoted, it appeared as if he was putting in an invalid circular argument that the Nintendo crowd has been using. You know, saying Nintendo is paying ATi and IBM just like Microsoft is, therefore Nintendo will be getting similar and/or better parts that Microsoft. But interpret it your own way, much in the same way you have totally skipped over parts of the IGN article referring to developer commentary about the power of the Revolution. Continue believing what you wish.
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Thanks. I thought what I said was clear enough. I guess adding a "you lose" or "owned" to your post really makes it more rhetorically effective.
 
Odysseus said:
Actually, by what you quoted, it appeared as if he was putting in an invalid circular argument that the Nintendo crowd has been using. You know, saying Nintendo is paying ATi and IBM just like Microsoft is, therefore Nintendo will be getting similar and/or better parts that Microsoft.
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That is not circular. That is arguement by analogy. It's a weak argument, but it is not circular.
 
Spike said:
And for the "haters" that are going to respond saying they don't like Nintendo games, you know that's bullshit. Why are you in this thread then, trying to force the fact that the system is going to be underpowered? If you don't care so much, then you wouldn't even bother responding to a thread like this.
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Maybe people do like Nintendo games, maybe they like bleeding-edge graphical games, maybe they don't want to play with a fucking wierd controller. So maybe people are venting because to them Nintendo has done so fucking badly with the Revolution in their eyes.
This is a place of discussion and everyones entitled to have their opinion.
DS > PSP
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Only time...
 
littlewig said:
Y2Kevbug11, I have alreayd proven that your arguement for the Revolution being weak is circular.

You lose.
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As a second or 3rd system, it does matter less that the rev is going to be underpowered. I feel it's likely the same for most gaf readers. The 360 and PS3 were in the BILLIONS to develop, support and ship. Live costs $100's of millions. Nintendo, regardless of the 5++b in the bank does not want to "risk it all" to launch what would likely sell like another GC.

So, what to do Nintendo? Be EVERYONE's second console... This means it will likely outsell the GC. Not by tons, but it should Sony takes a hit to their IB. MS fights only Sony to sell 1st system owners. Nintendo saves tons of $$ on R&D, and ends up with a system that we will all have to own; as a second system. It's not what a lot of the Die Hard Nin fans want, but it is a solid strategy.

All I know is that at $200 with some seriously unique games, I will buy it. If it was GC2; I would very likely pass on Nintendo next gen. The GC was only very good a few times this gen, most of my kick ass experiences in the last 5 years have been on Xbox and PS2.

Hell, the DS has ALREADY out delivered on the GC imo. Maybe a DS-like strategy will work out.

The issue is if Nintendo expects to sell to a lot of players with the Rev as thier ONLY system. At least from the core friends I have. They have virtually no hope in this. And judging from how people have reacted to my 360, many of my casual friends are going to want a "real" system next gen. I was surprised how much the pictures/connection to PC/ Live Arcade stuff impresses casuals.

My casual friends basically ALL have HDTV's as well. And the HD look was impresive to all. This is going to hurt Nintendo. Especially 2-3 years from now, when the casuals are ready to get into the 360/PS3/Rev gen, and there are some 100m+ HDTV's in America alone.
 
This news is somewhat sad, but expected. We all knew the Revolution would be the weakest system. But let us remember, just because it is the weakest system does not mean it will have terrible graphics. To the contrary, as Nighttrain and Olimario have pointed out, the graphics will still be very impressive considering what the Xbox/Gamecube are capible of. We'll be getting games that look 2-3 times better than RE4/Halo 2/Zelda TP. And you know what? That's not a terrible thing. This isn't like the DS vs PSP where ports like King Kong look like total poop on the DS. Games won't look bad on the Revolution, they just won't look as good.

And remember, the Revolution dev kits are extremely similar to the Gamecube's, meaning developers will already have experience with the system. We could see games 2-3 times better looking than RE4 at launch.
 
Actually for maximum GAF-enjoyment factor I think we should have more of these rumours. Everyone is now expecting current-gen visuals, so if that's how it turns out it won't be that much of a surprise.

However if it did turn out to be good it would be a Reverse Wallguy situation and hilarity would ensue.
 
Nash said:
Actually for maximum GAF-enjoyment factor I think we should have more of these rumours. Everyone is now expecting current-gen visuals, so if that's how it turns out it won't be that much of a surprise.

However if it did turn out to be good it would be a Reverse Wallguy situation and hilarity would ensue.
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That would be awesome. Sorta like how Nintendo downplayed the GC's abilities and kicked the PS2's ass all over the place (in graphics of course). This could be Shiggy's surprise.


(yeah, probably not likely but a man can dream :( )
 
Unless there is truly something special to the visual interface, there is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to not show what the graphical target of the system is at this point.
 
Why would anyone buy a new console thats only a little more powerful than the Xbox for $200 (if that is indeed what they plan on pricing it) and the only difference is the controller?

Very few people would buy it.

Something doesn't add up.

There is probably another piece of the puzzle we don't know about yet. Didn't Nintendo say the controller was just one part of the Revolution's interface?
 
So Nintendo is trying to compete with the Atari Flashback and Xavix with the Revolution adding the capability to download games rather than have them pre-installed.
 
Baron Aloha said:
Why would anyone buy a new console thats only a little more powerful than the Xbox for $200 (if that is indeed what they plan on pricing it) and the only difference is the controller?
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To get the next Zelda/Metroid/Mario? That's what I want it for xbox++ visuals or not.

~l2e
 
Let's say that this is true. With that + the controller

I'd say that if the Revolution is successful at all, it may as well outsell the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's really no way to look at this potential happening other than a serious misjudgment of the market by the entire non-Nintendo portion of the gaming industry. And if that's the case, we'll see a changed focus by MS and Sony, Nintendo will lose its market leader status because of poor management, and the cycle will begin again. Revolution 360.
 
Dracos said:
Unless there is truly something special to the visual interface, there is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to not show what the graphical target of the system is at this point.
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Maybe they have no games to show the graphical target yet.
 
Suikoguy said:
The cube was not that far off from the Xbox, some would say it actually excelled past the xbox in some areas. For it to, after 5 years, only be a bit more powerful then the Xbox makes no sense whatsoever.
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All in the name of profits :lol
 
Well, if this is true and there's hardly any difference from the Xbox, then I guess Nintendo will make SSB out for launch afterall.
 
Error2k4 said:
wait a minute so you are jumping ship at the first sign of fire? what a loyal soldier :lol
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I'm infiltrating the enemies base so I can emlinate all the officers. These colors(purple) don't run!
 
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