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[Deg]

Iwata has been giving weak and empty hype to Nintendo's next console. I reckon it will be the ultimate symbol of what is wrong with Nintendo.

Is there really a need for Revolution? Is coming up with a non standard console a good idea? Especially when they cant even make a decent standard one? Is their crusade against mature games the right thing? Forcing kiddy games on their console good? Is this clear arrogancy worth it? Idea of a new franchise actually just an old franchise? Unable to follow normal conventions such as demo disks, hyping up a game, decent design etc?

The answers are obvious but they represent what is wrong with Nintendo. Nintendo are akin to SEGA in the end of their Megadrive years releasing the 32x, cd add on and about to release the Saturn. They are going down. There is no sign of that changing.

 

[Blackace]

I don't like to say this because the fan boys say it... but how does 30 billion dollars = going down?

 

[Deg]

I don't like to say this because the fan boys say it... but how does 30 billion dollars = going down?

I will bet Revolution will be a worthless pile of Junk in the long run. Nintendo will take many steps backwards again and they will not change from their old ways. Perhaps they are carving a tiny profitable niche?

Anyways its going to be a poor system going by what they have been doing lately. I will bet Sony's and MS additions are 10x better than what Revolution will have.

 

[king zell]

I thought this kind of topics are not allowed now ..

 

[Akai]

Holy CRAP, you must be psychic or something to make such definite assumptions at this point in time! (Hilarity)

 

[Deg]

I thought this kind of topics are not allowed now ..

We'll its for debate? If not just delete.

Holy CRAP, you must be psychic or something to make such definite assumptions at this point in time! (Hilarity)

Educated guesses. Not hard.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Bullshit.

Nintendo have gotten better and better since they royally fucked up the N64. The first party software mightn't have been the same calibre, but in terms of making better decisions - definately.

I appreciate you feel disenfranchised with them of late. I don't. So I disagree.

It's only a matter of time before they reach a point of improvement at which people acknowledge it with sales. The only way is up baby.

 

[Odnetnin]

Iwata has been giving weak and empty hype to Nintendo's next console. I reckon it will be the ultimate symbol of what is wrong with Nintendo.

Is there really a need for Revolution? Is coming up with a non standard console a good idea? Especially when they cant even make a decent standard one? Is their crusade against mature games the right thing? Forcing kiddy games on their console good? Is this clear arrogancy worth it? Idea of a new franchise actually just an old franchise? Unable to follow normal conventions such as demo disks, hyping up a game, decent design etc?

The answers are obvious but they represent what is wrong with Nintendo. Nintendo are akin to SEGA in the end of their Megadrive years releasing the 32x, cd add on and about to release the Saturn. They are going down. There is no sign of that changing.

U R annoying.

 

[Deg]

Bullshit.

Nintendo have gotten better and better since they royally fucked up the N64. The first party software mightn't have been the same calibre, but in terms of making better decisions - definately.

I appreciate you feel disenfranchised with them of late. I don't. So I disagree.

It's only a matter of time before they reach a point of improvement at which people acknowledge it with sales. The only way is up baby.

Improvement? What improvements? :lol

 

[Grubdog]

Iwata has been giving weak and empty hype to Nintendo's next console. I reckon it will be the ultimate symbol of what is wrong with Nintendo.

Is there really a need for Revolution? Is coming up with a non standard console a good idea? Especially when they cant even make a decent standard one? Is their crusade against mature games the right thing? Forcing kiddy games on their console good? Is this clear arrogancy worth it? Idea of a new franchise actually just an old franchise? Unable to follow normal conventions such as demo disks, hyping up a game, decent design etc?

The answers are obvious but they represent what is wrong with Nintendo. Nintendo are akin to SEGA in the end of their Megadrive years releasing the 32x, cd add on and about to release the Saturn. They are going down. There is no sign of that changing.

 

[Infernal Monkey]

Yeah I totally hate Nintendo for making video game consoles. I like to whinge about Nintendo on the Internet all day because I'm important. Fuck you, Nintendo. You should be making microwaves instead.

7.9

 

[Izzy]

Bullshit.

Nintendo have gotten better and better since they royally fucked up the N64. The first party software mightn't have been the same calibre, but in terms of making better decisions - definately.

The only way is up baby.

Actually, regarding the handheld market, the only way is down, baby.

 

[gofreak]

So little has been revealed of Revolution, to be so negative about it right now..I don't know. Pessimism is one thing, but you've little to base it on right now. Nintendo might surprise you.

What's wrong with "non-standard", anyway? As a likely owner of all 3 next-gen consoles, I'd rather fancy that they weren't all cookie-cutter clones of one another with indistinguishable multiplatform games. If Nintendo can't beat Sony on the "standard" playing field, why not go for an alternate that can co-exist with them? If you owned one "standard" console, and were looking for a second, would you buy another "standard" console, or something different?

I don't expect Revolution to be wholly different from the other systems anyway. I think it'll have some distinct touches, but that it'll be undoubtedly a home games console.

 

[Deg]

A home games console like GC was v the dvd playback in the others

 

[Blackace]

I will bet Revolution will be a worthless pile of Junk in the long run. Nintendo will take many steps backwards again and they will not change from their old ways. Perhaps they are carving a tiny profitable niche?

I am not saying you are wrong. But making money is making money. and as a business that is what you are suppose to do. Who knows maybe they will right the ship, but I see Iwata as a software guy. I think he wants out of the hardware business... but I could be wrong

 

[captmcblack]

Non-standard console?
How do we know that? We don't even know about any basic tech-specs, right?

 

[duckroll]

Perhaps they are carving a tiny profitable niche?

There's no "perhaps" about it. Nintendo knows exactly what they're doing. Being a software developer first and foremost, they're making systems which allow them to make unique games that THEY want to make that will not be available on other systems. Sure in terms of 3rd party and overall installed base you might say Nintendo is sucking compared to Sony and MS, but Nintendo honestly doesn't give a fuck. Most people don't buy a Nintendo console to play 3rd party, and the sames show such, Nintendo consoles = Nintendo games, this is how Nintendo will continue to survive and profit every generation no matter which Sony/MS/Apple/Whatever comes along with a "better" system. How is this wrong?

 

[Kon Tiki]

I had my revolution, it was called thew n64, it showed me many faults.

 

[Blackace]

I thought this kind of topics are not allowed now ..

I want to see where this one leads before I lock it

 

[Odnetnin]

Improvement? What improvements? :lol

you can do better than to say exactly where you think they are going wrong then start this inflammatory thread which is just not very cleverly disguised flamebait. Revolution is worthless pile of junk? That's going a bit far considering we all don't know shit, and for that matter neither do you. With regards to having a discussion... and not caring what others have to say...Folder tried that with his ICO/REZ thread and then didn't really debate it with his short curt responses and got banned. I'd advise against being so flippant. We want to have discussions on GAF, not some troll/flame fest because you're feeling shafted by your console developer of choice.

 

[gofreak]

A home games console like GC was

What exactly is wrong with that? I'm sure they're making money off GC, I for one have enjoyed my GC immensely...where's the problem?

FFS, the Nintendo "scepticism"/hate/whatever is really getting annoying now. Get over it!

 

[BlackClouds]

What's going down is this forum, if threads like these keep up, this is obvious troll bait here. We don't know much of anything about the Revolution, only this vague notion that Nintendo is going to try to distance itself from their competitors by doing something original and different. Their execution remains to be seen.

I don't think anybody appreciates the attempt to create a self fulfilling prophecy of failure for Nintendo (or the others for that matter). I've been saying this for a while, but if these armies of fanboys aren't dealt with (with marketing targeting or at least minimizing their effect), they will ruin their business completely. These fanboys wouldn't waste all the time on these messageboards if it wasn't effective at destroying the hype needed to sell these systems and games to a mass audience.

 

[Project Midway]

I dont think it matters how good Revolution will be. Nintendo home consoles have now that loser -mark stamped on... Sure, diehard fanatics will buy Revolution and make nintendo some profits but Nintendo to be nothing more than a last place contender? nah.

 

[Borys]

Lock & Load please.

 

[duckroll]

Sure, diehard fanatics will buy Revolution and make nintendo some profits but Nintendo to be nothing more than a last place contender? nah.

Last place by installed base, first place by profits. Nintendo doesn't play by normal rules because they're hardcore on software sales and they profit on EACH system sold. Unlike Sega, Nintendo knows exactly how to make money.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Oh come off it Deg:


Troublesome architecture in hardware -- gone.

Cartridges -- gone.

Panasonic Q -- DVD functionality optional for the Japanese and importers.

"Dream team" philosphy, shunning most third parties -- gone.

Trimming second parties on the books, and using funds to get third party support instead.

Third party exclusives (timed and permenant) that the N64 could NEVER have seen: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil 4.

Collaborations with large third parties: F Zero GX, F Zero AC (Arcade), Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Donkey Konga 1/2/3, Starfox Assault, Zelda: The Minish Cap, Mario Kart Arcade (?? to be confirmed), Dance Dance Revolution with Mario

The Wavebird - best wireless controller out there

Gameboy Player - Super Gameboy was awesome, the N64 had nothing like it, the cube does.

Gameboy Advance SP - small form factor handheld with a better image than the original. Combined with the original, the console is as popular or more popular than the PS2.

Not giving Sony another head start -- Nintendo DS is announced AND launched within months of PSP being announced in order to stifle it's advance.

There are likely more examples as well.



They're still not perfect, but they're thinking with a better head on their shoulders than they were.

Most important of all: playing with Nintendo systems and games is still fun.
If it's not for you, didums.

 

[Deg]

There's no "perhaps" about it. Nintendo knows exactly what they're doing. Being a software developer first and foremost, they're making systems which allow them to make unique games that THEY want to make that will not be available on other systems. Sure in terms of 3rd party and overall installed base you might say Nintendo is sucking compared to Sony and MS, but Nintendo honestly doesn't give a fuck. Most people don't buy a Nintendo console to play 3rd party, and the sames show such, Nintendo consoles = Nintendo games, this is how Nintendo will continue to survive and profit every generation no matter which Sony/MS/Apple/Whatever comes along with a "better" system. How is this wrong?

True. Annoying how the fanbots keep saying they'll do well. They are on the way up. Especially as of late.

I dont think it matters how good Revolution will be. Nintendo home consoles have now that loser -mark stamped on... Sure, diehard fanatics will buy Revolution and make nintendo some profits but Nintendo to be nothing more than a last place contender? nah.

Quite right.

What's going down is this forum, if threads like these keep up, this is obvious troll bait here. We don't know much of anything about the Revolution, only this vague notion that Nintendo is going to try to distance itself from their competitors by doing something original and different. Their execution remains to be seen.

I don't think anybody appreciates the attempt to create a self fulfilling prophecy of failure for Nintendo (or the others for that matter). I've been saying this for a while, but if these armies of fanboys aren't dealt with (with marketing targeting or at least minimizing their effect), they will ruin their business completely. These fanboys wouldn't waste all the time on these messageboards if it wasn't effective at destroying the hype needed to sell these systems and games to a mass audience.

I dont think messageboards matter much on their own.

Nintendo should have then reacted ages ago. Its too little too late in terms of creating positive vibes for their brand. They certainly arent doing themselves any favour as of late.

 

[ge-man]

Hasn't this been beaten to death? There is no doom for Nintendo, just get that out of your minds. They are generally ran too well to be easily swept away like Sega, so stop wishing or predicting their destruction.

 

[gofreak]

I dont think it matters how good Revolution will be. Nintendo home consoles have now that loser -mark stamped on...

For who? The hardcore? Perhaps, though arguable if you wave a new Zelda in front of them. For the average consumer? I doubt it. I doubt most consumers know or care about the sales figures we salivate over every month.

 

[SantaC]

Hasn't this been beaten to death? There is no doom for Nintendo, just get that out of your minds. They are generally ran too well to be easily swept away like Sega, so stop wishing or predicting their destruction.

beaten to death x10

 

[DarienA]

Something's wrong with Nintendo? Has anyone been kind enough to take them to the doctor?

 

[Izzy]

Oh come off it Deg:

Not giving Sony another head start -- Nintendo DS is announced AND launched within months of PSP being announced in order to stifle it's advance.

One could argue it was another big mistake by Nintendo - especially when their HW is N64 level, and competition's is PS2 level. Recent sales charts reinforce such argument.

 

[Scrow]

 

[Speevy]

It's definitely shown what's wrong with your reasoning abilities.

 

[Solid]

Regular GAF expression! :lol

 

[Deg]

bolded bits are my reply.

"Oh come off it Deg:


Troublesome architecture in hardware -- gone. No dvd playback, cube design, purple etc.

Cartridges -- gone. disk size less than half of a normal dvd let alone dual layered

Panasonic Q -- DVD functionality optional for the Japanese and importers. howcome noone has one

"Dream team" philosphy, shunning most third parties -- gone. Nintendo's crusade against Mature games

Trimming second parties on the books, and using funds to get third party support instead. Twas a good move although they could have got better 2nd parties as well

Third party exclusives (timed and permenant) that the N64 could NEVER have seen: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil 4. wasted, lack of promotion or hype on nintendo's behalf

Collaborations with large third parties: F Zero GX, F Zero AC (Arcade), Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Donkey Konga 1/2/3, Starfox Assault, Zelda: The Minish Cap, Mario Kart Arcade (?? to be confirmed), Dance Dance Revolution with Mario some good , some waste but it would be better to get non kiddy stuff

The Wavebird - best wireless controller out there true

Gameboy Player - Super Gameboy was awesome, the N64 had nothing like it, the cube does. PSP player

Gameboy Advance SP - small form factor handheld with a better image than the original. Combined with the original, the console is as popular or more popular than the PS2. i dont think they have any brains as evidenced by GBA sales

Not giving Sony another head start -- Nintendo DS is announced AND launched within months of PSP being announced in order to stifle it's advance. Nintendo DS isnt really a long term PSP competitor, its a waste if it cant survive when GB next comes soon



They're still not perfect, but they're thinking with a better head on their shoulders than they were. Judging by Iwata's recent comments, thats a clear no.

 

[Blackace]

One could argue it was another big mistake by Nintendo - especially when their HW is N64 level, and competition's is PS2 level. Recent sales charts reinforce such argument.

Ok that is bullshit and I'm locking the thread because this is going into the mud quickly..

 

[sprsk]

One could argue it was another big mistake by Nintendo - especially when their HW is N64 level, and competition's is PS2 level. Recent sales charts reinforce such argument.

but the game sales dont.