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[Lord Error]

Again, not my problem. Sony fucked up, not me. When i pay £500 for something, i'm going to do whatever the hell i want with it, because it belongs to me. I can throw it down the stairs, turn it into a nuclear reactor, make it into a bbq grill or if i wanted to i could hack it. I can do all these wonderful things because it belongs to me, not Sony, not SOE, me. Yeah i don't want people to lose their jobs but the only ones to blame are Sony.

It doesn't quite work that way. You cannot do anything illegal with it, even though it's yours. That includes turning it into a nuclear reactor, murdering someone by hitting them in the head with it etc. Well, you can, but there will be repercussions - just as there can be with a hacked console as Microsoft did with their bannings.

Well they can probably support games that aren't perfect with some game specific profiles, but the problem with that is the PS3 can't identify which game is on the disk.

Why on Earth it wouldn't be able to? Of all things, that would be the easiest. Each PS2 DVD has some text files that identify the exact game ID, and I think even the executable is named by that ID.

Use the PC emulator. PS3 just isn't capable of emulating PS2 games even at native settings.

Moreover, I wish people crying over MKV would just use MKV2VOB instead of waiting for something that may never happen. Let's face it, if you waited hours for your MKV torrent of Lost episode to download, you can wait 20 seconds more for it to be remuxed into MP4 that PS3 can play fine.

 

[KernelPanic]

but still possible

And clearly not worth the trouble, or they'd have done it by now.

Spend lots of time and money developing and supporting PS2 emulation so that people can play their existing PS2 games = monetary loss for Sony.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Why on Earth it wouldn't be able to? Of all things, that would be the easiest. Each PS2 DVD has some text files that identify the exact game ID, and I think even the executable is named by that ID.

Really? Why the hell doesn't my PS3 already do this already then? I hate seeing Playstation 2 format disk instead of the game's name all the time.

 

[Massa]

And clearly not worth the trouble, or they'd have done it by now.

Spend lots of time and money developing and supporting PS2 emulation so that people can play their existing PS2 games = monetary loss for Sony.

They would be adding value to their product, which is probably more popular than removing from it.

 

[Lord Error]

Really? Why the hell doesn't my PS3 already do this already then? I hate seeing Playstation 2 format disk instead of the game's name all the time.

Because the Game ID is something like ULP345972. To get the real games name, it would have to look up in some internet database to match to that ID, or to have the list of all IDs saved into some local database. They didn't bother doing either of those I guess, and chose to display a generic label instead.

 

[diddlyD]

From Kutaragi:

which is exactly what ps3's backwards compat always was. even the launch units with the full EE+GS, the sound and the IOP are all emulated in software.

 

[Mandoric]

but still possible

Yes, but early-360-style BC with extra framedropping is just plain embarassing and no one who's not in a bulletpoint war would ever want to do it. It would be like the X360 suddenly deciding to support BD-9, sometimes it's better to just let a feature you can't plausibly do die.

 

[johnnysix]

I am of the opinion that if you purchase a piece of hardware you should be able to do whatever you want TO it, not with it. I believe I should be able to turn my PS3 into a toaster if I want. Online services on the other hand have conditions of connection and if you break these conditions then you should be prohibited from connecting. Surely it's that simple? If I pirate games, then I'm breaking the law. Modding my system shouldn't be against the law.

Think of it like a car. I can do whatever I like to my car, but the government has certain conditions that my car must meet in order to register it and legally use it on the roads. If I sit my riced out car in the garage and use it exclusively for making out in with my GF, I'm not breaking the law. If I use this car to run somebody over on my own private property then the law that I'm actually breaking is the one concerned with running somebody over, and has nothing to do with my modified vehicle.

 

[InfiniteNine]

I believe I should be able to turn my PS3 into a toaster if I want.

I think I'd want custom toast more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVH7COsp1cQ

 

[H_Prestige]

but still possible

The compatibility would be so embarrassing it wouldn't even be worth it.

 

[radiantdreamer]

Protecting the IP of developers/publishers is a lame reason?

Let me list some examples that are a little bit further from this topic, but related:

Apple denies Google from putting an app on iPhone, deny flash from working in Safari, and most recently, denying any apps written with any libraries originally not written in Objective C, C++, or C.

And their reasoning? "Just because".
It's a kind of corporate gain that isn't really measurable, and the impact is unknown. But as precautionary measures, they are set up, which ultimately denies the end user from fully utilizing the product they paid for.

Sony is doing EXACTLY THAT by removing Other OS.

 

[Jomjom]

Let me list some examples that are a little bit further from this topic, but related:

Apple denies Google from putting an app on iPhone, deny flash from working in Safari, and most recently, denying any apps written with any libraries originally not written in Objective C, C++, or C.

And their reasoning? "Just because".
It's a kind of corporate gain that isn't really measurable, and the impact is unknown. But as precautionary measures, they are set up, which ultimately denies the end user from fully utilizing the product they paid for.

Sony is doing EXACTLY THAT by removing Other OS.

Sony is not doing exactly that though. Their reason is more tangible as hackers were actually getting close to hacking the system and possibly creating custom firmware, which we all know would eventually lead to piracy. I don't think there has been one example of a case where hacking a system didn't lead to piracy. Sony allowed OtherOS for 3 years+, it's not like they disallowed this feature from the very start like Apple. It's obvious that had the hackers not done anything, this feature would have been offered in perpetuity. I think this is a little more substantial than "just because."

 

[radiantdreamer]

Sony is not doing exactly that though. Their reason is more tangible as hackers were actually getting close to hacking the system and possibly creating custom firmware, which we all know would eventually lead to piracy. I don't think there has been one example of a case where hacking a system didn't lead to piracy. Sony allowed OtherOS for 3 years+, it's not like they disallowed this feature from the very start like Apple. It's obvious that had the hackers not done anything, this feature would have been offered in perpetuity. I think this is a little more substantial than "just because."

Well, they're doing it because of precautionary measures. I personally wouldn't bother wasting my time with piracy on this anyway. It's impractical really... but that's just me. Geohot has already proclaimed that what he's doing isn't to open up piracy anyway.

Has jailbroken iphones lead to piracy? Unfortunately yes. But it's also opened up features that Apple never included until their recent 4.0 firmware update, etc etc.
It's also opened up Cydia, which is great for developers who want to generate more revenue, or by-pass Apple's still vague rejection criteria.

 

[Om3ga]

Let me list some examples that are a little bit further from this topic, but related:

Apple denies Google from putting an app on iPhone, deny flash from working in Safari, and most recently, denying any apps written with any libraries originally not written in Objective C, C++, or C.

And their reasoning? "Just because".
It's a kind of corporate gain that isn't really measurable, and the impact is unknown. But as precautionary measures, they are set up, which ultimately denies the end user from fully utilizing the product they paid for.

Sony is doing EXACTLY THAT by removing Other OS.

Not really as the iPhone never had that functionality to begin with. You knew what you were getting when you bought the product.

Ps3 on the other hand had functionality removed from a product users had already bought. Essentially losing features you've already paid for.

 

[radiantdreamer]

Not really as the iPhone never had that functionality to begin with. You knew what you were getting when you bought the product.

Ps3 on the other hand had functionality removed from a product users had already bought. Essentially losing features you've already paid for.

Sure, but that's just Apple being preemptive. The motive is still the same either way.

 

[Xabora]

Thats not hard to do.
Just open the PUP file in a HEX Editor, and find the text. Replace it and load it up.

I did that about a year and a half back.
Posted it and got no attention. :lol

 

[obonicus]

Thats not hard to do.
Just open the PUP file in a HEX Editor, and find the text. Replace it and load it up.

I did that about a year and a half back.
Posted it and got no attention. :lol

Interesting. Doesn't that change the signature of the file, though?

 

[vantastic]

Geohot has already proclaimed that what he's doing isn't to open up piracy anyway.

he can say what ever he wants. psp cfw says hi.

 

[deadatom]

This is not about piracy but taking away features that people paid for. Like being able to playing games online without horrendous cheating. Like having trophies mean something. The people who advocate for cfw are advocating to make online gaming on psn unbearable.

Next thing you know, there will be more restrictions on the media you are allowed on the ps3 and game sharing will be cut / bannable. So please think of the many features you are willing to compromise so you can do jack shit on linux. Just like most people did jack shit on linux since "otheros" was introduced.

As well as any new features that sony intended to implement. Do you think cross game chat will come sooner when sony is focused now on patching up any holes that some guy says might or might not exist? The reality is it won't and newer features will just be delayed.


All in the name of doing what now?

 

[deadatom]

Not really as the iPhone never had that functionality to begin with. You knew what you were getting when you bought the product.

Ps3 on the other hand had functionality removed from a product users had already bought. Essentially losing features you've already paid for.

Removing one module that hardly anyone uses and you could opt out of is 100% tyranny!

 

[Zombie James]

This is not about piracy but taking away features that people paid for.

What's next, EA removing online from their sports games?

 

[Xabora]

Interesting. Doesn't that change the signature of the file, though?

It does, but its not looking for the signature of the PUP.
The system itself looks at the signature of the individual packages that reside inside the PUP (Playstation Update Package).

So you can alter the header all you want, it just contains region info and firmware version ID in it.
With a small but short text string that it displays upon load.