Lord Frieza
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You're right. It was really 400 people and a mad giraffe, the truth needs to be known
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Riots erupt in Swedens capital just days after Trump comments (small scale)
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You're right. It was really 400 people and a mad giraffe, the truth needs to be known
And what should we be saying?
Keep in mind that America has a gun problem and not a Muslim terrorist problem and yet that is all the Right can talk about.
So forgive me if I'm not ready to jump on the "you see, Trump was right they do have a huge immigration problem something must be done!" wagon. I'm tired of exaggerations towards people that don't deserve it.
HP_Wuvcraft
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"I predicted this!"
Ravensmash
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This is completely false.
Not to say that Trump has any tangible credibility with his recent rants.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Downplay what? Is this some sort of historic tragedy akin to Bowling Green!?
Would you like to make an actual argument or point, or are you just satisfied with your finger wagging and judgement?
Spiral Insanity
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Maybe this is like what they did in Iraq, where they have (US) agents causing/organizing riots to prove a point. Now Trump can say 'see?'. It is far too convenient. I don't believe in coincidence.
ClosingADoor
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Yes, this is it... It might not just be a troubled neighborhood with some people going violent like apparently has happened before.
Kind of stupid to just wait it out if that is what they did. Did they arrest people afterwards? Can't read the article, seems to be behind a paywall.
Like you said, standing back has everyone thinking the police does nothing and undermines their authority.
Occam's razor, dude.
Trump doesnt have agent provocateurs in Sweden, like seriously.
tell us how you really feel
Langdon Alger
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Why are you bringing up America when this story is about Sweden? Anyway, yes, America has a gun problem, and the right is dumb to pretend it doesn't exist. But America, like almost all of Europe, absolutely does have an Islamist extremist terrorist problem and it's ludicrous that a lot of the left tries to pretend it doesn't exist.
Escape Goat
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Paid rioters!
Do we though? Really because I'm going to need to see the receipts. If your definition of a problem is that it exists, then yeah but we also have a problem with Christian extremists that the Right pretends doesn't exist.
By the way, Trump is brought up in the headline and OP so it's not a purely Sweden thread and my viewpoint is that of an American where I'm sorry but not I don't see these incidents as part of a "huge" problem with immigration in Sweden.
excelsiorlef
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Downplay what?
White Christian Men kill more people on a daily basis than Muslims do in America and I am sure in Europe as well. That does not excuse the actions of Extremists but lets be realistic.
Saudi based Wahhabism has led Extremists to kill more Americans than any other form of Islam. Yet I do not see any attempt to protect us from Extremist Wahhabism. In fact we welcome them with open arms while we say everyone else is the bad guy
Bustanen
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No, never heard of immigrants rioting outside Sweden. These incidents seem to happen in the bigger cities like Stockholm and Malmö. The gangs even use fucking hand grenades there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
TBiddy
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Depends how you define rioting. There are places in Denmark where the fire department and ambulances don't go without a police escort, since there's a risk of being bombarded with rocks. There are also incidents here and there in the same areas, where a police patrol will be surrounded and forced to retreat (being outnumbered 50 > 2 will do that).
But I don't think it happens that often, and I wouldn't classify it as a riot.
That may be true. But this is far from the first time that stuff like this has happened in Sweden. It's not exactly news anymore. It has nothing to do with Trump.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Hah not to downplay property destruction but we had worse riots protesting far right politicians holding a ball last year.
It happens in Sweden too of course, it's despicable, I get why criminals would throw rocks at the police since they "oppose" them.. but fire trucks and ambulances? seriously, fuck these assholes.
Did the police shoot at the protesters there? I don't think so.
The Faceless Master
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it's too bad that they didn't consider the optics before taking action
Cant' deny it...
Familienoberhauptvogel
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of course not, the rioters were white.
TBiddy
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The biggest riot in the recent history of Denmark consisted mainly of white protesters. 113 shots fired, 11-13 (depending on source) people were shot - to the best of my knowledge, all of them were white.
Sunster
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We have much bigger problems than Islamic terrorism. Pretending Islamic terror is a constant threat is doing so much damage to us as a nation. But whatever, stay afraid I guess.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why the fuck are you bringing up RADICAL ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISM in a thread about a bunch of hooligans causing random damage over a drug arrest? Do you not see the inherent bigotry and ignorance in that or did Al Qaeda take credit for all this and I missed that?
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I really don't like the reporting being done about this event. Even calling it a "riot" makes me kind of upset. It was a drug-bust gone wrong, by the sound of things. The police seem to have done a piss-poor job at defusing the situation and let it escalate far beyond what it needed. Frustrated young people with a "fuck tah police"-mentality got to lash out and wreck something.
It's really frustrating how people chose to distort what happened and turn it into something to fuel their political agenda.
It's really frustrating how people chose to distort what happened and turn it into something to fuel their political agenda.
Bam Bam Baklava
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No way, this was the worst killers ISIS have to offer carrying out a brazen terrorist attack in broad daylight. Don't be a blind fool.
TBiddy
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While we agree this isn't a riot, you should really spend some time researching how things are in some areas in Sweden and Denmark. As I wrote above, there are areas where rescue services won't always enter without police escort.
Putting the blame on the police for these events seems... odd. There are issues. Blaming everyone else doesn't really help the situation, to be frank.
vonStirlitz
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THIS is what happens when you don't pay the full amount of your NATO dues. Blood in the streets. It is obviously correlated. Anyone who thinks differently is just using alternative facts and is sad. And failing.
Kill Your Masters
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Speaking about hooligans, about 100 hooligans were involved in a mass brawl two weeks ago not far from me (Germany), but since they are white and "hooligans gonna hooligan", nobody really cares.
But 40 immigrants is an attack on western society and western values though.
But Vladimir Putin almost certainly does.
Russian expansion depends on a weakened and isolated Nordic countries, Poland, and Ukraine. The last of those is already in-progress.
We're moving towards an era of Russian expansionism back to or beyond post-WWII borders if Putin has his way while the nation that historically reigned in that expansionism is led by a man obviously deeply compromised by Russian intelligence.
Hooligans are such a fucking disgrace
At least minorities tend to have bleak economic and social circumstances as the background for rioting
Hooligans do it over fucking SPORTS
vonStirlitz
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Man, seeking a Russian bugbear behind everything is just as bad as seeking a Muslim bugbear behind everything, or a US one for that matter.
travisbickle
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TBiddy
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It doesn't. But there's something that just feels "good" about destroying stuff. Blowing up mailboxes, breaking windows etc.. it satisfies some part in your brain, I think.
Langdon Alger
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What are you talking about? I didn't bring it up. The guy who's post I was responding to brought it up.
Are they the authority's cars? If you gotta destroy people's property, at least make sure it's the property of the people you are protesting against.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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you're trying to rationalize anger
DasPenguin
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Well, they both are problems, but ours (Europe) is like a small mouse, your gun problem compared to ours is the biggest elephant that ever graced the earth.
Right wing nuts scream about immigrants in Finland as well, and it's true that maybe foreigners have a tendency do some crimes like rape more often than the locals. But again, it's a small problem. The bigger problem here is a large group of men between 18-35 years, who don't want to work or study and only complain and turn to crime. Just last weekend there were three deaths caused by unstable, alcoholic losers. One of them killed his 18 year old gf by hitting her and taping her head with duct tape so she couldn't breathe.
Funny enough, most of these people who have fallen through the cracks are fans of the alt-right movement. I guess it's easier to look for faults somewhere else instead of a mirror.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I was refering to how it was handled afterwards and how the both the community and the police have responded, for example:
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/polisen-insatsen-i-rinkeby-inte-godkand/
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/vrede-over-att-polisen-lat-upploppet-paga/
While I know this is Dagens Nyheter in both cases they seem geniunly interested in investigating this to the extent it deserves under the circumstances.
In Sweden hooligan riots traditionally get more coverage than immigrant riots (and a lot more condemnation as well) so i'm not sure what your point is. The only reason this gets any sort of coverage outside of the border is obviously because of Trumps comments.
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