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Rising TV Fees Mean All Viewers Pay to Keep Sports Fans Happy

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Ripclawe

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/b...-sports-fans-happy.html?_r=0&pagewanted=print

For a glimpse of how out of control sports bidding wars have become, look no further than your cable television bill.

Time Warner Cable subscribers in Southern California will eventually see their monthly bills increase thanks to an impending $7 billion deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers, believed to be the most lucrative for any sports team in history. DirecTV, the country’s most popular satellite service, and Verizon FiOS have started adding a $2 to $3 monthly surcharge in markets like New York and Los Angeles to pay for regional sports networks.

Per-subscriber fees for sports networks keep going up: ESPN, the granddaddy of them all, passed the $5-a-month mark last year.

The eye-popping price tags have restarted debate about a topic near and dear to sports fans, fairness: many TV customers never watch the mightily expensive channels at all, yet almost all must pay. There was a shudder in the industry when John Malone, the business tycoon who helped create the modern-day cable system, said in November that “runaway sports rights” costs amounted to “a high tax on a lot of households that don’t have a lot of interest in sports.” The only short-term fix, he said, was government intervention.

The price increases reflect the leverage big sports leagues have as distributors like Time Warner Cable and programmers like ESPN desperately try to hang onto live programming in the age of the digital video recorder and the Internet.

Sports are the television industry’s bulwark against rapid technological change: while the companies fear cord-cutting by customers who can cobble together a diet of TV on the Internet, they rest a little easier knowing that former customers would be hard-pressed to find their favorite teams live online.

Pretty much everybody in the business agrees that the overall costs are outrageous. Nobody has an easy solution.

The latest example of this is likely to come on Monday when the Dodgers’ owners are expected to announce a 20- to 25-year deal to create a regional sports network with Time Warner Cable. The cost per subscriber in Southern California is likely to be between $4 and $5 a month, though Time Warner Cable will swallow some of the amount itself.

In assessing the impending Dodgers deal, Michael Nathanson, a media analyst at Nomura Securities, wondered earlier this week “if we have reached the top of the sports rights bubble.”

But while the price is steep, the alternative might have been worse; the other bidder, Fox Sports, could have turned around and charged Time Warner Cable even more per subscriber.

“When a team sees their rights fees, and therefore the costs to consumers, rise more than sixfold, as is rumored, for the exact same games that they got last season, that’s an unsustainable model,” said Dan York, who oversees DirecTV’s decisions to carry and not carry networks. Yet Mr. York said DirecTV hopes to continue to carry the Dodgers in the years to come.

As both he and his counterparts at Time Warner Cable know, the games are popular with a segment of its customer base.

News Corporation, knowing the same thing, acquired a 49 percent stake in the Yankees-branded YES Network for nearly $2 billion two months ago. News Corporation is planning a national rival to ESPN, tentatively named Fox Sports 1, joining other competitors like Comcast, which has the one-year-old NBC Sports Network, and CBS, which has the CBS Sports Network. The National Football League has its own network, which clawed its way onto all the major distributors’ lineups despite costing nearly $1 per subscriber per month. An increasing number of college conferences have their own television homes, as well.

For the most part, all of these networks are requirements, not options for cable customers. (Some distributors charge extra for packages of sports channels for die-hard fans, but the big networks remain in the packages that most customers get.) Some games are hugely popular: On the high end of the ratings, NBC’s “Sunday Night Football” averaged 21.4 million viewers this season. But Dodgers games, like those of many local teams, were lucky to garner 100,000 viewers on any given day.

But analysts and industry critics say that if anything ever causes distributors to try more of an “à la carte” model of pricing, it’s sports programming.

“The cable industry has done everything it can to bundle programming and force consumers to buy things they don’t want,” said Gene Kimmelman, a former Justice Department antitrust lawyer. “Finally, one piece of their bundle has become so expensive that it may finally force the cable industry to shift gears and split the bundle out of fear of pricing its own customers out of the market.”

Some executives at the distributors privately agree. They talk of a bubble caused by the high license fees commanded by sports leagues, and demanded by the networks that pay those fees. They say they want to keep costs down, and some have even threatened to drop low-rated channels from their lineups. But they continue to agree to pay more and more for sports.

Chris Bevilacqua, an investor and consultant who has spearheaded the creation of several college networks, said, “If consumers were that upset by the costs, they’d be dropping their cable subscriptions in droves.”

To date, that is not happening. Cable alternatives like Aereo (a service that streams broadcast networks via the Internet for a small monthly price) are sprouting up, but none are stealing share from the distributors that have been around for years. In fact, over the last two years ESPN has signed new long-term deals with seven of the top ten distributors in the country.

What is more common are customers who lower their monthly bill, albeit temporarily, by leaping from one distributor to another. Verizon FiOS, perhaps testing the waters, announced a sports-free package of channels this week that is $15 cheaper than a similar package with sports.

Along with regional sports networks and the ESPNs of the world, sports costs are baked into the television industry through the deals that distributors make to carry local broadcasters’ television signals. If a distributor is not willing to pay what a CBS-affiliated station wants them to pay, for instance, its customers may miss out on the Super Bowl, which is Feb. 3 on CBS.

Companies are rarely willing to take that risk as nothing provokes the public quite like missing a sporting event. Time Warner Cable’s blackout of MSG Networks, which carries the Knicks, rankled thousands of customers last year; Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo eventually put pressure on both companies to make the deal that ended the blackout.

David Goodfriend, the chairman of the Sports Fan Coalition, said sports leagues were the root of the problem, because they “get exemptions from federal antitrust laws so they can legally collude and drive up prices for television coverage of the games.” The coalition wants to cut what it calls “vast public subsidies.”

Washington regulators have not shown a special interest in the subject. When Mr. Malone, speaking to The Los Angeles Times, brought up government intervention in sports rights costs, he said that “usually markets have a way of correcting themselves.”
 

Escape Goat

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Chris Bevilacqua, an investor and consultant who has spearheaded the creation of several college networks, said, “If consumers were that upset by the costs, they’d be dropping their cable subscriptions in droves.”

Once Netflix/Hulu/paid sub content gets their heads on straight I'm sure they will.
 

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I don't think I will ever pay for cable, Netflix+Hulu+Buying seasons on DVD/Blu-ray is so much cheaper and I rarely watch anything live these days. Not into sports at all.
 

iammeiam

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Sports and cable has been a clusterfuck for ages; aside from the ridiculous per-subscriber cost, there's also the channels refusing to be part of a sports tier and demanding inclusion in basic packages in order to agree to be carried which is just a total dick move (explicitly refusing to only be paid for people who might watch the network.) I don't usually side with cable companies, but, seriously, fuck sports channels.
 

rbanke

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The cable industry does quite a good job constantly reminding me how good of a decision dropping cable was.
 

BobLoblaw

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If I still had cable (clean 5 years now), I'd be pissed. Netflix + Hulu + OTA gets me my tv show/movie fix and the internet get me my sports fix.
 

otake

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Heh.

Those are the numbers for the rights. The technology for the production and distribution of those is several millions more. It's an amazing industry.
 
If I still had cable (clean 5 years now), I'd be pissed. Netflix + Hulu + OTA gets me my tv show/movie fix and the internet get me my sports fix.

Why pay for Hulu and Netflix then? The internet can give you your movie and tv show fix too. Hell why buy games or music anymore while you're at it.
 

Koomaster

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They should just say fuck it and stop televising sports on cable entirely. Somehow sports survived before television came around. Read about scores online the next day. All it is is the same damn people throwing around a ball, no one needs to see that shit.
 
They should just say fuck it and stop televising sports on cable entirely. Somehow sports survived before television came around. Read about scores online the next day. All it is is the same damn people throwing around a ball, no one needs to see that shit.

Do you have any more stupid, nonsensical ideas?
 

Mindlog

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I've been of the belief for quite some time that ESPN will be what kills the cable market. Now everyone is chasing the stupid subscriber mega-package and before long there will simply be too many groups demanding too much money. Packages will eventually be their own undoing.
 

FLEABttn

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I've been of the belief for quite some time that ESPN will be what kills the cable market. Now everyone is chasing the stupid subscriber mega-package and before long there will simply be too many groups demanding too much money. Packages will eventually be their own undoing.

Sports in combination with streaming services will correct the cable/satellite industry. Netflix and Hulu are the kind of services that the cable industry needs as leverage to break the bundling required by the media conglomerates. They know they need to stay relevant and while that's going to come in some form of services, it's also going to need to come in price.
 
Why pay for Hulu and Netflix then? The internet can give you your movie and tv show fix too. Hell why buy games or music anymore while you're at it.

While I'm sure you're referring to people who watch illegal streams online, there are also legal ways to watch them as well. All four of the major pro sports offer out of market packages online to their subscribers.
 

M-PG71C

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My wife and I have dropped DirectTV about three months ago, we felt what we watched and what we were paying made very little sense. A $130 bill per month was just overkill ultimately and we haven't missed it since. Amazon Prime Video and Netflix gets us what we need.

And when we do want to watch sports, we head off to places like Buffalo Wild Wings or just bars in general and watch them. I can't miss my UNC games (Or my poor Panthers lol) and those options allow us to watch the game with a few friends and get dinner. Win-win.
 

Guileless

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If you think about it, cable tv is incredibly archaic in 2013. People just keep paying their cable bills though. I hope it is a bubble that bursts because it would be entertaining to watch the pro sports business model disintegrate. I have a love/hate relationship with sports.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
With a OTA antenna plus sports bars I don't have to pay a dime to watch any sports.

So your the guy sitting in BW3 ordering waters and absorbing the atmosphere and the reason I have to wait 2 hours to get a table at BW3 on Saturdays and Sundays?
 

Lunchbox

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They should just say fuck it and stop televising sports on cable entirely. Somehow sports survived before television came around. Read about scores online the next day. All it is is the same damn people throwing around a ball, no one needs to see that shit.

this is actually a good idea, less time on sports mean more time for my anime figurine collection
 
They should just say fuck it and stop televising sports on cable entirely. Somehow sports survived before television came around. Read about scores online the next day. All it is is the same damn people throwing around a ball, no one needs to see that shit.
Why watch a movie or play videogames when you can just readabout the ending online.
 

DarkFlow

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So they spent 7 billion to get maybe 100k viewers a day? That seems a little crazy, and if the dodgers suck there goes half that viewership.
 

BobLoblaw

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Why pay for Hulu and Netflix then? The internet can give you your movie and tv show fix too. Hell why buy games or music anymore while you're at it.
I didn't say Hulu Plus. I just watch the regular version. Netflix is only $8 a month to steam tons of movies/tv shows and even I'm not that much of a cheapass. As for music, I pay $16 a month for my Zune pass and that gets me all the music I could want and for games I'm a PC gamer that only buys during steam sales. Basically I spend about $30-40 a month for all my entertainment needs in terms of music/movies/games.
 
I didn't say Hulu Plus. I just watch the regular version. Netflix is only $8 a month to steam tons of movies/tv shows and even I'm not that much of a cheapass. As for music, I pay $16 a month for my Zune pass and that gets me all the music I could want and for games I'm a PC gamer that only buys during steam sales. Basically I spend about $30-40 a month for all my entertainment needs in terms of music/movies/games.

but how much do you pay for your sports fix?
 
All I know is, ESPN demands HD cost extra, Dish demands HD cost nothing extra, and as such I can't get Disney channels in HD.

Stupid sports channels.
 

Rorschach

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Sorry, nerdos, but sports isn't killing TV, it's keeping it on life support. Networks don't care about you since you abandoned them long ago. Sports whores will pony up and you won't.
 
Dropped cable over a year ago, will never waste my money again.

Netflix + Access to parents HBO account + Red Box = don't need anything else.
 

otake

Doesn't know that "You" is used in both the singular and plural
So they spent 7 billion to get maybe 100k viewers a day? That seems a little crazy, and if the dodgers suck there goes half that viewership.

It's never that simple. These people aren't stupid.

Fact is, the market will bear this. We who think netflix and OTA are enough are the minority. It's also no coincidence the bigger proponents of Netflix and Hulu are the college/high school crowd. People who pay for cable have steady jobs, family, etc. And they are willing to keep paying. Their attitude about it may change in the next few years as old people die and the young age but the appetite for sports is cultural and these networks are buying up the rights long term.

For example, if you live in the US and you like Tennis, your only place to see it is ESPN. Like the NBA? Everything but the finals is on ESPN and TNT. Do you like MMA? FX and PPV. These contracts are for 10 years or more. The industry is taking strategic steps to keep themselves alive and prosperous. We need sports in this country and ABC (ESPN), NBC, CBS and FOX know it. They could air it OTA but they'd rather you get cable for it and you will.
 

Lkr

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i am so dependent on cable, but it is mainly because my internet sucks at my apartment. i have considered dropping cable and going internet only and getting a better provider, but then i'd miss all of my sports and the shit ton of shows i watch

nfl is the only things still on OTA. one of the LCS is on cable every year, nba playoffs are on cable until the finals, NHL is all on a cable channel that a lot of people don't get, espn now has two rounds of the masters, all of wimbledon, etc.
 

Ceebs

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Sports and HBO are the only reason I have DirecTV.

I can't go back to watching the NFL normally after The Red Zone channel.

Watching the playoffs is grueling after a full season of that.
 

Dhx

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Sorry, nerdos, but sports isn't killing TV, it's keeping it on life support. Networks don't care about you since you abandoned them long ago. Sports whores will pony up and you won't.


Minus the tone of this post, it's the truth. As stated before, sports are as close as you can get to DVR/Piracy/Netflix proof. The only alternatives are season passes which aren't the cheapest of alternatives.

Most of the "fuck cable, I've moved on" crowd doesn't care about sports and are largely the reason networks and cable companies are going all in on sports.
 
you've really never thought that someone might be earning excessive amounts of money?

No. The amount of money you deserve is based on your worth, in dollars, not how noble your profession is or how nice of a person you are. Pro Athletes line the pockets of owners and network execs to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. Why do they not deserve a huge cut of that? You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.
 

TheNatural

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Its more expensive and will continue to rise, but ironically its the non sports stations that don't want an ala carte split. Mainly because people won't give a flat fuck.

I would gladly pay $25 a month for a pick of like 5 sports channels. But then half the stations would die.
 
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