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RNC Funded Firm Destroys Dem Registrations

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ManaByte

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ErasureAcer said:
It is things like this that make me believe there will be a civil war.

Get your shotgun, head for the midwest, and dig yourself a bomb shelter!

What ever happened with those broken ballots someone posted a while ago?
 

Shazapp

Member
John Titor was right!

I can't see the country getting much more divided without something very bad happening.
 

arter_2

Member
thats really lame and seriously screwed up we need better ways of voting in america and if another florida like thing happens I can definetly see the country imploding this election is so heated friendships are being lost over it its really crazy
 

explodet

Member
BigJonsson said:
In Canada everyone is registered once they hit 18 so we don't have problems like this
And if for some reason the information is incorrect or we're not on the list, we can fix it on voting day when we show up at the polls!
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
jiggle said:
Is there a way to confirm registration in California? I just sent in mine last tuesday.

Look up *whatever the name of your county* board of elections on google. Call the phone number and they can tell you.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Matlock said:
Hey, it's not like the Democrat-backing groups haven't used similar, albeit not as extreme, measures. :p




Oh great the, "Everyone else does it so it's ok." excuse. Nevermind that I'm sure the Republicans were complaining just as loudly when they felt the Democrats were doing underhanded shit.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
arter_2 said:
thats really lame and seriously screwed up we need better ways of voting in america and if another florida like thing happens I can definetly see the country imploding this election is so heated friendships are being lost over it its really crazy
If? If?

Even Afghanis are going crazy over election methods. You can be damned sure Americans will.
 

Matlock

Banned
ShadowRed said:
Oh great the, "Everyone else does it so it's ok." excuse. Nevermind that I'm sure the Republicans were complaining just as loudly when they felt the Democrats were doing underhanded shit.

I'm just saying that neither side is innocent here. :p
 

MIMIC

Banned
These assholes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I suggest macabre-like torture, followed by a good ol' fashioned public stoning.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
Voters Outreach of America, AKA America Votes

I can't find Voters outreach of America, but America Votes is a Dem organization. So someone is lying or the reporter screwed up big time.


http://www.americavotes.org/


The following organizations are the partners of America Votes - representing over 20 million Americans across the country. Click on the links below to learn about their work on issues and politics.


ACORN
AFL-CIO
AFSCME
America Coming Together (ACT)
American Federation of Teachers
Association of Trial Lawyers of America
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United With the Million Mom March
Clean Water Action
Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund
Democracy for America
EMILY's List
Environment2004
The Human Rights Campaign
League of Conservation Voters
The Media Fund
MoveOn.org Voter Fund
Moving America Forward
Music for America
NAACP National Voter Fund
NARAL Pro-Choice America
National Education Association
National Jewish Democratic Council
National Treasury Employees Union
Partnership for America's Families
People for the American Way
Planned Parenthood Action Fund
SEIU
Sierra Club
USAction
Voices for Working Families
Young Voter Alliance
21st Century Democrats
 
Fragamemnon said:

Thank you for showing up ManaByte. It made my night.
:D

So this group, paid for by the GOP...pays people to go door to door and register voters...they bring back the registration forms and throw away all the Democrat registers...thus disenfrachising people on election day...because now they're not registered and it is too late to register...thus giving the Republicans the election in an otherwise close election.

The GOP is evil. If Bush wins office...and because of Nevada's EV...there will be hell to pay.
 
The GOP is evil. If Bush wins office...and because of Nevada's EV...there will be hell to pay.

Better idea-make there be hell to pay regardless in Nevada. And Florida. And South Dakota (hi Jim Thune, how's your nephew?), and every god damn other place where people are being intentionally disenfrancished.

What the "Help America Vote" act needed to do was to provide the whole nation with the same-day voter registration capabilities that states like Wisconson and Minnesota have. They have the highest turnout and participation rates in the country, and there's *zero* mess about registrations-you come, have a friend vouch for your address, and they double-check your address info in a separate count if you register that day. Easy, simple, verifiable, and painless to the people voting.
 

Drensch

Member
Hopefully the national media will pick up on this. And I'm sure even though the repugs hate the trial lawyers(makes sense now), a trial lawyer will sue class action in Nevada Supreme court. Disenfranchisement can put an election on hold.
 

Diablos

Member
That is BULLSHIT. I hope this story goes national. Someone needs to do something about this. Conservative right-wing loons are getting away with too much in this country, way too much.
 

Matlock

Banned
Ripclawe said:
I can't find Voters outreach of America, but America Votes is a Dem organization. So someone is lying or the reporter screwed up big time.


http://www.americavotes.org/

That list looks incomplete, oddly. Votemob is nowhere on that list, yet it's an organization that pulls college towns for ACT. :p

Edit: Ah, so they're also known as the 21st Century Democrats for America.. Nevermind my criticism of poorly constructed official information.
 

Acrylamid

Member
BigJonsson said:
In Canada everyone is registered once they hit 18 so we don't have problems like this
It's the same in Germany. Are there any other countries besides the USA where you have to register to vote?
 
Diablos said:
That is BULLSHIT. I hope this story goes national. Someone needs to do something about this. Conservative right-wing loons are getting away with too much in this country, way too much.
Doesn't "Conservative" AND "right-wing" kind of cancel each other out? Calm down you liberal left-wing goon. :D
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
Acrylamid said:
It's the same in Germany. Are there any other countries besides the USA where you have to register to vote?

Now that I think about it, it does seem rather asinine that we're forced by law to register with the Selective Service, yet not to vote, while other countries are capable of automatically doing it as you say.
 

Diablos

Member
LinesInTheSand said:
Doesn't "Conservative" AND "right-wing" kind of cancel each other out? Calm down you liberal left-wing goon. :D

There are more important things to discuss than me fucking up.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
ErasureAcer said:
they bring back the registration forms and throw away all the Democrat registers...thus disenfrachising people on election day...because now they're not registered and it is too late to register...thus giving the Republicans the election in an otherwise close election.

How do they know who is republican and who is democrat? surely you don't put that down on your registration form.

And yeah, parties registering voters is messed up. No one should be able to do it except one independent body.
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
gofreak said:
How do they know who is republican and who is democrat? surely you don't put that down on your registration form.

And yeah, parties registering voters is messed up. No one should be able to do it except one independent body.

On the registration form, you can specify if you want to register as a member of either of the two big parties, specifically so you can vote in their primaries. However, I thought the registrations were sealed?
 

goodcow

Member
gofreak said:
How do they know who is republican and who is democrat? surely you don't put that down on your registration form.

And yeah, parties registering voters is messed up. No one should be able to do it except one independent body.

... yes you do. There's a box where you check off what party you wish to belong to for the primaries.
 

MASB

Member
DarthWoo said:
Now that I think about it, it does seem rather asinine that we're forced by law to register with the Selective Service, yet not to vote, while other countries are capable of automatically doing it as you say.
That's because SS is designed to potentially force you to serve in the military. That's a bit different from a law that would make you register with the potential intent to force you to vote.
 

Priz

Member
For some reason, I'm reminded of this comic strip:

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Company claiming affiliation with the non-partisan ‘America Votes’ group appears to represent the GOP

A local librarian checking on a company’s request to set up a voter registration booth in the library discovered the company was not affiliated with a non-partisan national group as it claimed.

Sproul & Associates, Inc. of Phoenix, Ariz., phoned and mailed the library in September, saying it had been hired by America Votes.

That came as news to America Votes.

"This organization (Sproul) absolutely has nothing to do with America Votes," said Kevin Looper, the state organizing director for America Votes.

America Votes is a non-partisan political organization formed in July 2003 to increase voter registration, education and participation in electoral politics.

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Libraries in Oregon and other states have been contacted by Sproul. Looper said attorneys at America Votes’ Washington, D.C. headquarters have taken over.

"We are in the process of pursuing all of our legal options to pursue (an order to) cease and desist."

But the man behind the matter says it was an innocent mistake.

"We were not trying to copy their name," said Nathan Sproul, owner of the consulting and management company. "All we were trying to do is register people to vote."

In September, the Jackson County Library Services Central Library received a letter from Sproul & Associates, Inc. which began:

"Our firm has been contracted to help coordinate a national non-partisan voter registration drive, America Votes! in several states across the nation."

The letter went on to ask if the company could register people to vote in front of the library.

Meghan O’Flaherty, headquarters library manager, contacted Kevin Looper, who informed her America Votes did not hire the firm.

That’s when she learned that Sproul & Associates, Inc. is a political consulting firm headed up by former Arizona state Republican Party executive director Nathan Sproul.

"The only problem I have with it ... is that they’re misrepresenting themselves as someone they’re not," she said.

Libraries in Multnomah, Corvallis/Benton, West Slope and Washington counties also had been contacted, said O’Flaherty.

She said she learned on the Internet that Sproul & Associates is actually a partisan political consulting firm, so the library cannot support them.

"If they show up, they’re going to have to be out in front of the library and not inside," she said.

The toll-free number which librarians were given connects to an answering machine stating that if the caller is interested in canvassing neighborhoods in support of the GOP, he or she should leave a message with contact information.

Cindy Gibbon, senior library manager with the Multnomah County Library, said voter registration drives inside libraries must be non-partisan, because libraries are publicly funded and cannot appear to take sides with issues or parties.

She said they let Sproul know that, but hadn’t heard back.

"We may see them or we may not," she said.

Sproul said Monday the name selection was an honest mistake.

"You telling me that they even exist was really the first time I’d heard it," said Sproul. He said his company, hired by a number of clients to register voters, came up with what he believed was a generic name. He said he had not heard from the original America Votes.

"If they even just pick up the phone and call ... we would change it in a heartbeat," he said.

Sproul said his company was just trying to get more people registered to vote and were not promoting any issue, candiate or party.

Sue Noel, a temporary employee at Sproul & Associates, said the voter drive is called Project America Votes and she knew about the redundant name.

"What we try to do is tell people we are not affiliated with America Votes," she said. She said the company already has set up registration drives in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Florida and Nevada. In addition to libraries, they’ve set up registration drives in front of businesses and grocery stores, she said.

Looper says he’s skeptical about the naming.

"You’ll have to forgive me for not finding it credible that they would not have heard of a group that is one of the largest in the country and is in every one of the 17 swing states and that could hardly be missed in any political circle," he said. "While we appreciate their word that they will cease and desist, we will want to see that in writing."

"I’m glad they’re not going to persist in trying to mislead people," he said.

http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0921/local/stories/02local.htm
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Matlock said:
Hey, it's not like the Democrat-backing groups haven't used similar, albeit not as extreme, measures. :p

You mean, like this?

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News Release

For Immediate Release: Contact: Dave Dahl Campaign

October 11, 2004

Dave Dahl denounces Fitzhugh’s attack of Republican voters

Dyersburg, TN- Today, Republican nominee for State House District 82, Dave Dahl, denounced a flyer distributed by Democrat State Representative Craig Fitzhugh that attacks Bush voters and mocks those who are mentally challenged (flyer included). “Hard-ball politics is one thing and everyone expects tough battles, but using those who are born with mental disabilities for political fodder is disgusting,” said Dave Dahl on Monday from his campaign office in Dyersburg.

The flyers have been distributed for at least 2 weeks from State Representative Craig Fitzhugh’s campaign office on the town square in downtown Ripley, which also serves as the Kerry-Edwards campaign headquarters. Dahl said, “At first I really did not believe that Fitzhugh and the Democrats would stoop to such gutter politics, but then people started bringing the flyer to me at the end of last week. I was shocked and disgusted.”

Dahl said, “In my first campaign against Mr. Fitzhugh two years ago, the Democrats conducted a negative telephone poll on my then five year old adopted daughter because she was born in Texas and not in Tennessee. I guess I should not be surprised that Mr. Fitzhugh and his crowd would attack Bush voters and call them ‘retarded.’ This is how the Democrats do business.” Dave Dahl continued, “The single minded plan for Mr. Fitzhugh and the Democrats in Tennessee is to attack Republican voters, attack those supporting Republican candidates and to ignore the real issues of the day: jobs, prescriptions drugs costs, education, security at home and taxes.”

“This kind of reckless disregard for those who suffer from mental disabilities is much larger than any state representative race. This act is so atrocious and indecent that my campaign will be sending a copy of the Fitzhugh flyer to the United States Special Olympics Committee, the Special Olympics International Group and state and national advocacy groups who work with and support special needs children and adults,” said Dahl.

Dahl concluded, “My heart goes out to the millions of families who have children and loved ones with special needs. To have their family members mocked in this manner is inexcusable and wrong from any perspective. These kinds of issues cross all political and social boundaries. I call on Mr. Fitzhugh to issue a public apology.”

No one is innocent in politics!
 
Negative ads aren't on the same level as ripping up voter registrations.


of course, that source you quoted is from the Dahl campaign, which doesn't have the other side's story.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
eggplant said:
Negative ads aren't on the same level as ripping up voter registrations.


of course, that source you quoted is from the Dahl campaign, which doesn't have the other side's story.

True, but that flyer pretty much speaks for itself.
 
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