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TheGreatDave said:
The genre is based on not having to be able to play a real instrument. c/d?
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I thought the idea was to give players the satisfaction of being able to play through rock classics without having to spend thousands of dollars.
 
TheGreatDave said:
The genre is based on not having to be able to play a real instrument. c/d?
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The genre is based on making you feel like a rocker...giving you a visceral connection with the music. Hmx is treading a thin line with this new stuff because, if not handled properly, the experience becomes inaccessible. However, if they pull it off, it results in an experience head and shoulders above their competition.
 
Charron said:
And even with the last few years, that's been the defining difference in philosophy. Rock Band is music software that plays like a game, Guitar Hero is a video game that happens to use music. Once you realize that, everything from aesthetic designs to authoring styles to GHTunes vs. RBN all make sense.
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Nothing about your claim really makes sense until RB3 comes out. RB2 is no more "music software" than GH5.

Hell, Guitar Hero 5 has music creation software, shitty as it is.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Nothing about your claim really makes sense until RB3 comes out. RB2 is no more "music software" than GH5.

Hell, Guitar Hero 5 has music creation software, shitty as it is.
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it is like saying Dead or Alive Extreme 2 is a sports game because it has volleyball.
 
What I'm talking about is the difference in design approaches. Guitar Hero is designed with a focus on game elements- hence the power-ups and all that jazz- while Rock Band is designed with a focus on the music. It's more like Guitar Hero is to NFL Blitz as Rock band is to All-Pro Football 2k8. One is intentionally over-the-top and arcade-y because it's (arguably) more fun, while the other at least tries to mimic reality, although bending it to better fit what they have available. Neither can or should be called "simulations", but one at least leans in that direction.
 
Charron said:
What I'm talking about is the difference in design approaches. Guitar Hero is designed with a focus on game elements- hence the power-ups and all that jazz- while Rock Band is designed with a focus on the music. It's more like Guitar Hero is to NFL Blitz as Rock band is to All-Pro Football 2k8. One is intentionally over-the-top and arcade-y because it's (arguably) more fun, while the other at least tries to mimic reality, although bending it to better fit what they have available. Neither can or should be called "simulations", but one at least leans in that direction.
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Guitar Hero 5 has one mode with powerups, in multiplayer. I mean, yes, we all know Harmonix are ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC, MAAANNN and stuff, but lets not try and retcon it that their work to date is "music software". They've basically been making games with the same gameplay mechanics for the last decade and just reskinning it slightly.
 
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MrOctober said:
I agree completely.


On another note what the fucking fuck at the exclusive rights to Clapton for that fucking piece of shit game? I can see the "because it's a real guitar blah blah blah" bullshit but they have exclusive Dave Matthews and the drummer is the dude in the band with talent. The "swing sticks in the air with no rebound like an asshole" drums are a fucking far cry from "real drums". So eat shit 74 whatever the fuck studios. I look forward to your bankruptcy.
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Agreed. Really pissed about this. I was really hoping for some Dave Matthews Band in RB for the drumming alone. Carter Beauford is really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtfEIgXb2VE
 
Terrordactyl said:
DJ Hero: 2 Mix! (free)
DJ Hero is giving you a taste of the never before heard mixes that will be released with DJ Hero 2 this October! For a limited time only, download “Just Dance” by Lady Gaga ft. Colby O’Donis vs. “Ghosts ‘n’ Stuff” by Deadmau5. This one is on us! But you gotta get it by June 14th and then it’s gone until DJ Hero 2 releases this Fall. For all song credits please visit www.djhero.com.
File size: 14 MB

Holy shit activision...I like this, yay DeadMau5
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On the same day GH got 5 free (not very good) tracks. :bow: @ Bobby
 
Charron said:
And even with the last few years, that's been the defining difference in philosophy. Rock Band is music software that plays like a game, Guitar Hero is a video game that happens to use music. Once you realize that, everything from aesthetic designs to authoring styles to GHTunes vs. RBN all make sense.
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Lol no. Theres nothing music software out of Rock Band. Hyperbole much?
 
It's quite accessible if you have $100!

The point is that Charron is not wrong at all; Harmonix has been taking steps here and we're going to finally see the culmination of those efforts in RB3.
 
MrOctober said:
That dude is fucking unreal. And I would absolutely buy anything Dave Matthews as soon as they pull their heads out of that shit studios asses and get on board with the winners. Fuck.
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Why do you want Dave Matthews in Guitar Hero?
 
Ridley327 said:
RBN is an integral part of RB now, though. Ignoring just makes you sound like a troll.
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Do not agree, perhaps for some, but the majority of music people want in RB comes via the regularly schedualed DLC. Sure there're good songs on RBN but to the general population it isn't anything to ever be excited about.

RBN also isn't software to create music with, which was the base of the argument IIRC.
 
TheGreatDave said:
RBN is a distribution system. The software used to make the songs isn't made by Harmonix. c/d?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Why would the software that charters use be affected by whether or not Harmonix made it in the first place?

Terrordactyl said:
Do not agree, perhaps for some, but the majority of music people want in RB comes via the regularly schedualed DLC. Sure there're good songs on RBN but to the general population it isn't anything to ever be excited about.
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You're missing the point; the fact that Harmonix has given anybody the capability of being able to contribute to the game with the same tools as they have is a humongous step forward for what they've been trying to accomplish. It's not super accessible now, sure, but everything is in place for anyone to give it a shot. I fully expect RB3 to drop the barrier of entry even further when RBN2.0 goes live.
 
Ridley327 said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Why would the software that charters use be affected by whether or not Harmonix made it in the first place?
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Well, because you said RBN is music software, when it isn't. Reaper is music software.
 
I think there's some confusion in nomenclature. Music software doesn't mean stuff like Pro Tools or FruityLoops; that's music tools. Music software is stuff like... WinAMP. Software designed around using and interacting with music.

And I've been saying this since RB1. It feels to me like they've been letting the music lead their design decisions, rather than letting the gameplay lead it like Neversoft has.
 
Charron said:
I think there's some confusion in nomenclature. Music software doesn't mean stuff like Pro Tools or FruityLoops; that's music tools. Music software is stuff like... WinAMP. Software designed around using and interacting with music.

And I've been saying this since RB1. It feels to me like they've been letting the music lead their design decisions, rather than letting the gameplay lead it like Neversoft has.
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*puts cowbell in Peace Sells*
 
TheGreatDave said:
Well, because you said RBN is music software, when it isn't. Reaper is music software.
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Umm... OK? I don't see how that has any real impact on my statement. It's merely one element that goes into a bigger entity.
 
TheGreatDave said:
I'm bustin' chops today. I get angry when people pretend the games aren't identical outside of interface.
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It's really obvious that they've been doing things behind the scenes that is going to change all of that, though; that's where the discussion is at right now and that's where it's going to stay, unless Harmonix pulls a 180 and delivers more of the same next week.
 
Ridley327 said:
It's really obvious that they've been doing things behind the scenes that is going to change all of that, though; that's where the discussion is at right now and where it's going to stay, unless Harmonix pulls a 180 and delivers more of the same.
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RB3 will have music tutorials, it'll have pro modes, it'll try to do more in the way of teaching people real music skills. And the vast majority of people will still play it like GH1.
 
TheGreatDave said:
RB3 will have music tutorials, it'll have pro modes, it'll try to do more in the way of teaching people real music skills. And the vast majority of people will still play it like GH1.
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We don't know that yet. You can't argue against my assertion from earlier that this is effectively the first time someone has taken a serious crack at this.

You're sounding dangerously close to the Wii haters pre-launch, Dave!
 
Terrordactyl said:
DJ Hero: 2 Mix! (free)
DJ Hero is giving you a taste of the never before heard mixes that will be released with DJ Hero 2 this October! For a limited time only, download “Just Dance” by Lady Gaga ft. Colby O’Donis vs. “Ghosts ‘n’ Stuff” by Deadmau5. This one is on us! But you gotta get it by June 14th and then it’s gone until DJ Hero 2 releases this Fall. For all song credits please visit www.djhero.com.
File size: 14 MB

Holy shit activision...I like this, yay DeadMau5
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Yay for Deadmau5....from Ontario. Won't play the Gaga shit though.
 
Ridley327 said:
We don't know that yet. You can't argue against my assertion from earlier that this is effectively the first time someone has taken a serious crack at this.

You're sounding dangerously close to the Wii haters pre-launch, Dave!
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Wii was cheap.

Clarification of beliefs: I'm not opposed to the pro modes or realtar stuff, I'm just saying I can't see it doing shit in terms of how most people are playing the game. I'll probably buy a realtar! Or, if they let me use my bass, I would love to be able to play along using it.
 
TheGreatDave said:
I'm bustin' chops today. I get angry when people pretend the games aren't identical outside of interface.
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They aren't, though. They have identical origins, and, to the casual user, they really are the Same thing, but it's clear (and has been clear for the oats few installments) that the two teams are pushing in very different directions. GH is The Bigs to RBs The Show. Neither direction is inherently superior to the other, but to suggest that they're identical is to approach them at a very basic level.
 
AMUSIX said:
They aren't, though. They have identical origins, and, to the casual user, they really are the Same thing, but it's clear (and has been clear for the oats few installments) that the two teams are pushing in very different directions. GH is The Bigs to RBs The Show. Neither direction is inherently superior to the other, but to suggest that they're identical is to approach them at a very basic level.
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Sadly not alot of people in this thread will get this comparison but you pretty much hit it spot on. Especially considering The Show is STILL very pick up and play while maintaining hardcore sim status.
 
I fail to see how RBN will be successful for non-established bands. Not only do they have an overwhelming amount of huge bands to compete with they have a fair amount of smaller labels to compete with. Originally I thought that RBN was to be used for the players bands to put their music there, which they can do, but when you have Billy Idol on there charging 3 bucks for a song it kind of ruins the philosphy. What I took from the core conecept was very indie to smaller acts getting their music out there for a buck a pop, so it IS accessable for you and me to get. I think they need to change their standards for what goes on RBN though, and maybe one day it can be what I assumed it was intended for.
 
Ridley327 said:
Hey Duck; I know you got GD:RB shipped in from Gamestop as well, so you might know where the free export code is. I sure as hell don't.
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Code is on the back of the manual it works the same way as LRB though, you need the disc and then it will produce another code to download, at least on PS3.

Hey Birdman did you buy "it"?
 
Terrordactyl said:
Code is on the back of the manual it works the same way as LRB though, you need the disc and then it will produce another code to download, at least on PS3.

Hey Birdman did you buy "it"?
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That's not what I was getting at, since Gamestop offered a free token if you pre-ordered the game.
 
AMUSIX said:
They aren't, though. They have identical origins, and, to the casual user, they really are the Same thing, but it's clear (and has been clear for the oats few installments) that the two teams are pushing in very different directions. GH is The Bigs to RBs The Show. Neither direction is inherently superior to the other, but to suggest that they're identical is to approach them at a very basic level.
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The core gameplay is identical. And I don't know anything about your silly American sports.
 
AMUSIX said:
They aren't, though. They have identical origins, and, to the casual user, they really are the Same thing, but it's clear (and has been clear for the oats few installments) that the two teams are pushing in very different directions. GH is The Bigs to RBs The Show. Neither direction is inherently superior to the other, but to suggest that they're identical is to approach them at a very basic level.
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Ok, AMUSIX gets it and can explain it better than me. Thank you.
 
The Bigs is the superior pick up and play game btw. Not that the Show is bad, its awesome. But the Bigs looks great and plays even better and is more fun. :/ Best thing those Canadians have made.
 
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