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Roman Polanski to continue freedom as extradition is rejected again
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that decision should be up to judges and doctors who examine him during a trial.
Head of Vengarl
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Apparently the only person in the room with a fucking backbone.
Did the child he drugged and raped do any of those things to him?
QuantumBro
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I think there's a big difference between saying you enjoy Chinatown and giving a standing ovation to the man during a ceremony that is being watched by millions of people.
Gibson atoned for his actions ever since the incident happened, while Polanski still denies everything. I think he's earned another chance.
This is the main thing right here.
It's the same as watching The Birth of a Nation by D.W Griffith and seeing all the innovations that the film brought forth to cinema. Watching and learning from those innovations is not the same as going out and wearing a Klansman robe and lynching black folk.
You can watch Chinatown and acknowledge its a masterpiece of film, but to actually stand up and and give applause to a child rapist is something entirely different.
Very good points. The standing ovation was certainly over the top, but I guess I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are applauding the film, but since it was for Best Director, perhaps it was for him after all.
I agree about Gibson, I think he's earned it, and I really enjoyed Hacksaw.
kingkaiser
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Well yes, but the story is that after he remained 42 days in custody the forensic psychiatry recommended a suspended sentence but the judge ignored that, so Polanski had to flee.
Many countries don't extradite their own citizens. Ever. Doesn't matter who the person is, doesn't matter what they did, doesn't matter who asks. If you commited a crime in the US and make it back to Germany without getting arrested, you won't be extradited either. You might get arrested in Germany and a German court might punish you, but you'll never see a US court room. By the way, I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same the other way around, the US almost certainly wouldn't extradite a US citizen either.
Wtf is wrong with you guys? There are quite a few posts like this. The guy is a sexual predator who completely violated a 13 year old girl. He was rumored before that to be sleeping with another very young girl on the set of one of his movies. Serial killers often have horrible pasts as well, but there is no excuse or sympathy for them from me. Everybody has horrible stuff happen to them, some worse than others. Romans story is a sad one, but what he did is unforgivable and he should rot in jail for it.
Was this before or after the conviction?
Long after.
Oh yeah, wasn't the one that boasted about "fucking Olivia Munn before she was Asian?" And that's not even a bad approximation of what he actually said. Like, what the hell does that even mean?
EDIT: Sorry, it was "back when she was Asian," which might be even more insane.
Nightshade
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Good episode of You Must Remember This that tries to cover this issue on depth. He was supposedly already a skeevy guy before the Tate murders.
ZombieSupaStar
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I like the nic cage "Are we doing this? We're doing this?" look
Puck Beaverton
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Dawg, Scorsese is friends with Polanski. Some of them may be bullshitting but he definitely isn't.
Yeah dude had a fucked up life and was already out there, but that isn't a good excuse to rape a minor.
DiipuSurotu
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Yeah, Nicholson's house for example is literally where the rape happened.
stan423321
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As mentioned above, the Polish Supreme Court, not to be confused with Constitutional Tribunal which is closer to US Supreme Court in many aspects including politicians fighting over judge nominations, can basically say two things given it was invoked post factum: declare mistrial based on operations of appeals court, or seal it. They didn't declare a mistrial, this had almost nothing to do with the facts of the rape case given extradition case took place in Poland and rape case did not.
The earlier courts followed Polish rules on extradition; by some crucial point in the process (maybe filing extradition request, maybe something else), statute of limitations would have applied if the whole affair took place in Poland, therefore it also applied to Polański's theoretical extradition, as Polish law uses Polish statute of limitations to determine status of extradition of Polish citizen from Poland for a foreign crime, the idea being that if some crazy state would, say, remove statute of limitations on everyday petty crime such as murder, then the charges would never expire in Poland either otherwise, which would be found pretty draconian.
Nothing fake about Scorsese. Massive supporter of Roman. Fuck you Martin.
lightskintwin
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Why is Gibson's name even being mentioned in the same breadth of Polanski?
Nothing is wrong with me. I'm just having some empathy here for what happened to him. I'm not excusing his behavior; I'm trying to understand it. The man has gone through more "horrible stuff" than most. He made a mistake--a serious one. He's 83 now, and the victim has said more than once she wants this to stop. It is what it is at this point. It happened 40 years ago.
As posted above it was said he was a shady character prior to the Manson murders and he was scum afterwards. He deserves to rot period. There is no empathy for someone who willingly does what he did.
So of the posts in this thread are disgusting.
I am guessing by some posters logic as a victim of sexual abuse and bullying, I am ok to do it to some one else? Nah, if I was to do to another what happened to me then I am in the wrong and deserve to be punished. Just because some people have awful lives doesn't give them a right to ruin some one elses.
I am guessing by some posters logic as a victim of sexual abuse and bullying, I am ok to do it to some one else? Nah, if I was to do to another what happened to me then I am in the wrong and deserve to be punished. Just because some people have awful lives doesn't give them a right to ruin some one elses.
Rape isn't just a "mistake"
PHOENIXZERO
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Aside from that, I'm sure it's fairly well known the Polanski liked'em young, dude was supposedly involved with a 15 year old Nastassja Kinski at around the same time.
EDIT: Though I guess according to her Wiki entry she denied it being anything more than "flirtation". Which is still creepy IMO given her age and his being in his 40s.
EDIT: Though I guess according to her Wiki entry she denied it being anything more than "flirtation". Which is still creepy IMO given her age and his being in his 40s.
The Mel Gibson situation is brought up all the time and it makes no sense. Mel Gibson got drunk and said racist shit to a cop stopping him and also was caught insulting his girlfriend on a phone. Roman Polanski drugged and raped as 13 year old girl. Say that again. Drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. Mel Gibson committed no crime. Was immediately apologetic and has atoned for his actions since. Polanski fled the country before his sentencing. They are not equivalent at all. It really says something that Mel Gibson was made a larger Pariah then wife beaters, child molesters, etc.
I can separate art and the person just as much as the next guy. It is why I can watch old Mike Tyson fights and consider him one of thr greatest boxers in history, why I can watch the Pianist and enjoy the film and how well directed it is. But you won't find me signing a petition to drop charges against a child rapist. You won't see me clapping for Polanski etc.
Gentleman Jack
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The fact that he is a fugitive from justice means what the victim thinks is irrelevant. He never faced any punishment for his crimes, something you're whitewashing as a 'mistake.' Polanski is not a fucking victim.
cartographer
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I'd reexamine my thought process and motivations if it led me to categorizing the rape of a child as "a mistake."
Discotheque
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One of my favorite directors ever but I wouldn't be averse to him going to jail either.
It's been so long though that sadly justice would be hollow at this point. Hes lived and enjoyed his life.
It's been so long though that sadly justice would be hollow at this point. Hes lived and enjoyed his life.
Yes, poor choice of words. Crime, not mistake.
My point is I feel the situation is horrible all around, and I don't agree with Polanski fleeing, but at this point with the victim not wanting this to continue, I feel it should be closed. It seems to affect her when it gets brought up.
metalslimer
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Yeah you know I never realized that people hated Mel for what he did more than Polanski.
And Hollywood has blacklisted people for pretty minor offenses in the scheme of things.
Pretty shameful shit.
And Hollywood has blacklisted people for pretty minor offenses in the scheme of things.
Pretty shameful shit.
I agree. But you didn't bold the qualifier I had: "it's not at all the same".
cartographer
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It's not only about her. And let's be clear, the circus is Polanski's fault too, so if she impacted by it being brought up, it is 100 percent Polanski's fault. He's prolonged her suffering, full stop.
Justice is not only for the cases we know about it, but for the ones we don't and for the ones that haven't happened yet. He's had 40 years to rape again and has been absolutely enabled to rape again. It's the duty of society to put him somewhere where he does not have the chance to rape again.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You forgot that Gibson also called Winona Ryder an oven-dodger. Gibson's shit wasn't a one-time thing.
This wasn't a civil case though so this sentiment is wasted on a rapist. Been hearing people make excuses for him all my life though. He's been "too old" for at least two decades. Whatever.
PurpleMoustache
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This. As much as I love David Lynch's shows and movies (the one's I've seen, anyway), he literally runs his own mini Scientology.
The David Lynch Foundation raises money to get kids and poor people to start Transcendental Meditation. Meditation is fine, and good, and even scientifically proven, but TM is the kind where you go to camps, spend thousands of dollars on your own mantra, and even more on classes where you are taught to fly while meditating. Every single piece of merchandise or fundraiser, or gallery opening, or album he puts out has some sort of money sharing/donation scheme to the David Lynch Foundation, and the handful of times I've supported one of those, I feel bad. It's like a charity advocating Payday Loans to poor people: the very last thing they need is something that sucks their money away.
what does an oven-dodger even mean????
Agree.
Gentleman Jack
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It's an anti-semitic slur.
Crimes aren't committed against individuals, they are committed against the state. Her feelings on the matter are not the deciding factor.
SCULLIBUNDO
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During the holocaust, the Nazis would dispose of the bodies of Jews in the deathcamps by loading them into large ovens up to six at a time.
Gibson is/was a racist scumbag who says stupid shit. He's also been said to be misogynistic and abusive. He has done disgusting stuff. It doesn't come close to what Roman did.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I wasn't saying that in the context of comparing against Polanski. I was saying that in the context of a poster painting Gibson's abusive nature as a drunken once-off. Which isn't the case.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
One difference between Polanski and Tyson is that Tyson repaid his debt to society.
The victim had a traumatic experience during childhood that asshole reporters remind her of every few years. Some crimes shouldn't be left up to the victim to prosecute, her "forgiveness" doesn't protect the next victim.
Wasn't he also one of the people denying the Holocaust happened?
Dude wants to have his racist cake and eat it, too, it seems.
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