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Romney: It would help my campaign immensely if no one talked about my buisness record

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Iksenpets

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Well then release your taxes so we can talk about how you pay them. lol

There's got to be something bad in there. There's no way he's taking this beating over some 'principle' that the info is private. This is Mitt Romney we're talking about. Not exactly a paragon of principle.

And really, what are the odds that some hacker manages to steal the returns, or some disgruntled IRS employee leaks them before the election's done? Maybe not completely likely, but the odds of it getting out somehow are still significant enough that its not worth the risk of being caught in the act of deception unless there's something career ending in there.
 

sangreal

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Wow. I didn't know that.

Well, the IOC can really only stop people from using olympic logos, themes, footage, etc. Does the commercial just talk about the Olympics or does it use actual Olympics logos, footage, etc.?

I doubt they can stop shit. I have no idea why the Obama SuperPAC voluntarily stopped running olympic themed ads. Every election someone is up in arms about their copyright or trademarks being violated and I've never heard of anything coming from it. I find it hard to believe that using a few short clips from the opening scene of Romney's Olympics in a political ad about Romney is not fair use.
 

DR2K

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There's got to be something bad in there. There's no way he's taking this beating over some 'principle' that the info is private. This is Mitt Romney we're talking about. Not exactly a paragon of principle.

And really, what are the odds that some hacker manages to steal the returns, or some disgruntled IRS employee leaks them before the election's done? Maybe not completely likely, but the odds of it getting out somehow are still significant enough that its not worth the risk of being caught in the act of deception unless there's something career ending in there.

I'm sure it'll "accidentally" leak around November.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
As I've said previously, Mitt's gonna get creamed. I can just feel it.
 

smurfx

get some go again
he wants a truce with obama on no personal attack ads? he's a fucking snake and obama would be stupid to accept. his campaign will bombard television with personal attack ads from "independent" groups.
 

JCreasy

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"I should be President because I was great at running a business"

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"How dare you bring up my business record"

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Iksenpets

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he wants a truce with obama on no personal attack ads? he's a fucking snake and obama would be stupid to accept. his campaign will bombard television with personal attack ads from "independent" groups.

Hell, he doesn't even have to run ads. He has Fox News and talk radio and the network of elderly people forwarding chain emails about how Obama is secretly gay or Muslim or wants to keep soldiers from voting. The lies and innuendo will get out there the same ways it has for the past three and a half years even if Romney never spends a dime.
 

Seanspeed

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He also has the face of a permanent liar, he looks like he learned how to smile from a textbook. EVERY single interview this guy has he looks like he's lying no matter what he says. He could say "I'm an advocate of the free market" and STILL look like he's hiding something behind the statement. He's just hilariously bad at every turn.

Excellent. lol
 

sangreal

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It makes sense. Corporations are people, so attacking him on Bain is a personal issue.

This is actually a response to his other recent interview where he whined that he shouldn't have to release his tax returns because he is not a business

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...8e2d062-e225-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html

Bloomberg asked Romney whether, if he was investing in a company, he would want to see more than two years of financial reports, likening that process to the American people electing a president. But Romney suggested the standards aren’t the same for people and businesses.

“I’m not a business,” he said. “We have a process in this country, which was established by law, which provides for the transparency which candidates are required to meet. I have met with that requirement with full financial ­disclosure of all my investments, but in addition have provided and will provide a full two years of tax returns.”

This is the candidate who, almost exactly one year ago, got into a somewhat-heated exchange with a heckler in Iowa in which Romney made that case that “corporations are people” — that is, what happens to corporations affects the people who work for them.
 

Angry Fork

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A few days ago he said "I'm not a business" and people brought up the corporations are people line again. It's awesome anything he says can be combated with something he said earlier that takes the opposite stance.

edit - beaten by SECONDS
 
Just release your tax records, dude. You already released last years and it was well below the national average, and yeah, you got some flack, but nobody talks about that anymore right?

Pull the stinger out of your finger now while the mark can fade in time. Americans don't hold grudges...they can't even remember what it was that they were outraged about a month ago. Remember the oil spill? Remember foreclosures? Remember the war we're still in? Remember New Orleans? Remember that we didn't actually do anything to prevent another recession? Anybody care anymore? Nope.
 

smurfx

get some go again
Hell, he doesn't even have to run ads. He has Fox News and talk radio and the network of elderly people forwarding chain emails about how Obama is secretly gay or Muslim or wants to keep soldiers from voting. The lies and innuendo will get out there the same ways it has for the past three and a half years even if Romney never spends a dime.
this is big trap by romney. the democrats can't match the republicans in playing the victim. every time an independent group attacks romney he will go crying to the media and obama will always have to condemn the group. oh and groups for romney will attack obama viciously and romney will say he has nothing to do with it and nobody will call him out on it. this is why many republicans that ran against him hate his guts.
 

Angry Fork

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I think it's definitely obvious releasing them would be much worse for him politically, otherwise he would have by now. Either he paid nothing in taxes (which is obviously illegal isn't it? surely there can't be that many loopholes), or he paid single digits which is just as bad as a multi-millionaire.

He's in a catch 22, if he paid nothing or single digits it's the right move to hold back the returns imo politically. He can at least hope that the hype will die down, but obviously it's not dying down and once the debates come up it's going to get much worse. There's no way he can escape it unless something really bad happens in the Obama cam.
 

sangreal

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Just release your tax records, dude. You already released last years and it was well below the national average, and yeah, you got some flack, but nobody talks about that anymore right?

Pull the stinger out of your finger now while the mark can fade in time. Americans don't hold grudges...they can't even remember what it was that they were outraged about a month ago.

There is obviously something very, very wrong with his tax returns. Obviously not illegal, but definitely damaging. It's probably his 2009 tax returns with loss carryforwards from the mortgage crisis. There is no way he is hiding them just because we are going to find out he is rich and paid a 13-15% in taxes with a few offshore accounts. Very curious if he was involved in the Swiss bank amnesty as well. Finally, there is the $100M in his IRA which had to come from undervalued Bain stock since the contribution limit is incredibly low
 
I'm pretty sure Mittens was touting his amazing business record at this time last year.

And while we're at the issue of "let's not talk about", how 'bout we drop the entirely pointless "debate" about Obama's birth certificate? Or is that more relevant than Mittens' resume when people are trying to elect the President of the United States?
 
There is obviously something very, very wrong with his tax returns. Obviously not illegal, but definitely damaging. It's probably his 2009 tax returns with loss carryforwards from the mortgage crisis. There is no way he is hiding them just because we are going to find out he is rich and paid a 13-15% in taxes with a few offshore accounts. Very curious if he was involved in the Swiss bank amnesty as well. Finally, there is the $100M in his IRA which had to come from undervalued Bain stock since the contribution limit is incredibly low
That's a possibility, but I think a low one, BUT you're allowed to think that because he's acting fishy and overly private. It's his fault you're thinking what you're thinking and I don't blame you one iota.

I think he's afraid of another blip and using the pressure that he's getting by the democrats as a soapbox to rally the republicans to his side with cries of class warfare (kinda like what he's saying in the OP). But, I'm guessing as much as you are. I'm totally guessing. You could be right. I could be right. And, in politics, you don't want people filling in the blank for you. Just release the records, Romn-com.
 
Has anyone put all his flipflop statements on a time line? Would be interesting, you can probably tell when his campaign manager was replaced by Fox News.
 

sangreal

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That's a possibility, but I think a low one, BUT you're allowed to think that because he's acting fishy and overly private. It's his fault you're thinking what you're thinking and I don't blame you one iota.

I think he's afraid of another blip and using the pressure that he's getting by the democrats as a soapbox to rally the republicans to his side with cries of class warfare (kinda like what he's saying in the OP). But, I'm guessing as much as you are. I'm totally guessing. You could be right. I could be right. And, in politics, you don't want people filling in the blank for you. Just release the records, Romn-com.

I just don't see how or why he would be so adamant about not releasing his tax returns beyond 1 year (and supposedly 2011 - we'll see. will only reignite the debate) if there is nothing wrong with them. Again, I don't think there is anything illegal but he is making me far more curious about what is there than I would have been otherwise. NYT actually had a piece on the carryfowards today: In the Superrirch, Clues to Romney's Tax Returns (they changed the title to Can People as Rich as Romney Escape Taxes? They Can.)

Buried in there is the fact that 6 of the 400 top earners paid 0 dollars in tax
 

RDreamer

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I think it's definitely obvious releasing them would be much worse for him politically, otherwise he would have by now. Either he paid nothing in taxes (which is obviously illegal isn't it? surely there can't be that many loopholes), or he paid single digits which is just as bad as a multi-millionaire.

lol, are you being serious here? There are definitely legal ways for him to have paid nothing on his income taxes, for multiple years even.
 
I can't wait till the debates. His utterly awkward babblings are going to be torn to shreds hilariously by Obama, and probably the moderator as well.

Every time this guy talk he sounds like wholly indecisive. He's often contradicting himself with the same statement. And his inflection makes every sentence he utters sound like he's asking a question.
 
I can't wait till the debates. His utterly awkward babblings are going to be torn to shreds hilariously by Obama, and probably the moderator as well.

Every time this guy talk he sounds like wholly indecisive. He's often contradicting himself with the same statement. And his inflection makes every sentence he utters sound like he's asking a question.

McCain was way better at this than Mittens is. He's gonna get destroyed when the debates come around.
 

Angry Fork

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lol, are you being serious here? There are definitely legal ways for him to have paid nothing on his income taxes, for multiple years even.

I didn't know it was this bad, I don't know enough about how taxes work and the details involved so I didn't think it would be legal to pay nothing sometimes. Crazy.
 
Obama is pretty terrible at debates though :/

Are you serious? He's one of the best debaters/speakers of the last decade despite cries of teleprompter from the other side. There's a reason campaign Obama is so much better than the actual real Obama and the reason he even won last time.
 

sangreal

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Are you serious? He's one of the best debaters/speakers of the last decade despite cries of teleprompter from the other side. There's a reason campaign Obama is so much better than the actual real Obama and the reason he even won last time.

debating and speaking are not the same thing. I'm not criticizing his ability to speak without a teleprompter. I made this same argument here back in 2008, so I'm nothing if not consistent.
 

Steelrain

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He really is. He stutters his way through and Hillary ate him alive. McCain was terrible too - couldn't control his temper (and was running on an awful platform with few legitimate points)

Please show me an example of a debate where Obama was terrible.
 
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