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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)
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got the blu ray yesterday. watched all the new scenes and the big making-of ( over 90 minutes).
i really love the earth opening (better than the original opening, sets up jakes character much better and makes his actions on pandora more believable). the scenes that explain what happend to graces school are very interesting and give grace more depth.
making-of is pretty good but they blend out all the negative stuff that happens when making a movie. everybody is happy and they love each other. feels a bit like a typical pr making-of, i hate that.
i really love the earth opening (better than the original opening, sets up jakes character much better and makes his actions on pandora more believable). the scenes that explain what happend to graces school are very interesting and give grace more depth.
making-of is pretty good but they blend out all the negative stuff that happens when making a movie. everybody is happy and they love each other. feels a bit like a typical pr making-of, i hate that.
Yeah, there hasn't been a single peep about any kind of big controversial negative thing that may have happened during Avatars shooting, unlike pretty much every other Cameron movie. Usually you hear about that kind of stuff, DVD or no DVD, so I think the likely answer is that the Avatar shoot was probably a lot more civil due to various factors (camerons timeoff and experience from it, the shooting environment that better suited his control freak personality, etc)
VisionaryQuest0
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Dead said:
Yeah they all seemed to enjoy themselves on this film. Even at all the Award get-togethers and PR interviews all the cast and crew would be glowing about each other and hugging each other for photo ops. I don't think I've seen that for any other Cameron film that's making its promo rounds, except for Cameron and Schwarzenegger.
SCULLIBUNDO
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VisionaryQuest0 said:
Yeah in many interviews leading up to the film's release Cameron said that he had learned to completely mellow out on this film and everybody just had a blast, a lot like a family unit.
It's the quote I don't like really. Although I'm not keen on cardboard packaging either.Solo said:
I think at this point Cameron really believes there is some magical connection the film has to people, as if his heavy handed eco-messaging is what's made it the biggest thing ever, and I really don't believe it had anything to do with it. I could certainly be wrong though.
DrForester
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So will the special edition have the original theatrical cut and the extended cut?
Have to make sure I can still watch the Rifftrax.
Have to make sure I can still watch the Rifftrax.
Scullibundo said:
How he engages the audience? Kubrick has directed some of the most boring scenes in the history of cinema.
The difference between Kubrick and Cameron is simple: Kubrick's films never had god-awful dialogue, and he's willing to dig a little deeper into the themes of the story than Cameron is.
Why does this movie have decent reviews? I don't get it. If I hadn't seen it in 3D I would've walked out of the theater because of how awful I thought it was; characters, dialogue, "story", etc. The special effects were amazing, other than that I thought it was atrocious. What am I missing??
crazy monkey
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Horsebite said:
everybody got on the hype train. I know many people who went to see because of advertisement and hype and were disappointed big time. specially if you have seen movie in regular theater 3d it is very generic not different than any other 3d. Not many place have IMAX either and they are expensive.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Horsebite said:
So which session of Avatar 2 will you be going to on opening night? The 1am or the 3am?
Also, Kubrick just had a much better feel for how to use every aspect of the visual/audio medium to tell the story as perfectly as it could be told. And the stories he chose to tell were better, for the most part. The first part is not a knock on Cameron, since Kubrick was better than almost every other director in history in that regard.
TheKaeptain
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StuBurns said:
I disagree with that. Halloween is the best horror movie ever.
Dude I wasn't serious. Come on! :lol :lol :lol
Anyways,
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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oatmeal said:
He's somebody I could see somebody not enjoying, but I truly think that, taking a step back, he is probably the greatest director of all time in terms of merging great writing with visual panache. Cinephilia emphasizes film as a visual medium, which it is, but I think that it sometimes forgets the importance that good writing plays in a narrative medium; with Kubrick, great writing was never an issue and was even expected, so looking at how he conveys his stories is an endlessly fascinating process, for his choices can be dissected almost endlessly. I truly believe 2001 to be the greatest piece of cinema ever made, even though it's not something that I could just pick up and watch any old time.
Edit: also, Avatar was a huge success because it tells a story that is cliche but also really universal in a lot of ways; plus, people like looking at pretty things. It's pretty low in Cameron's filmography in terms of quality (and is, to my mind, mostly just average all around with the script being below average), but I see the appeal, even though I wish it had been done better in certain respects.
BertramCooper
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I can't decide if I want this or not.
I saw this film three times in theaters, but I kind of hate it. Does that make sense? It's a great experience, but the film itself is so incredibly mediocre and derivative.
I saw this film three times in theaters, but I kind of hate it. Does that make sense? It's a great experience, but the film itself is so incredibly mediocre and derivative.
PhoncipleBone
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I am impatient, so I will just hit Target tuesday morning to get it at the same price. No need to wait around for UPS to deliver anything.Snaku said:
Oh, cannot wait.I am most jazzed for the making of doc and the multi angle version on disc 3. And the fact that they put the entire Pandorapedia on the set is just crazy.BertramCooper said:
BertramCooper
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Avatar, the PS2 game?Dead said:
akachan ningen
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I can't believe they made a 3 hour version. It should have been 30 minutes shorter, not longer.
BertramCooper
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Yes, I know. :lolDead said:
Watched the theater re-release of Avatar today, took a while to reach here. 
Anyway, still really awesome and kicks the ever living shit out of the gimped 2D version. No matter what the video quality of the blu-ray is, it'll never be able to replicate the 3D theater experience. This is the fifth time I watch Avatar in theaters, that's just crazy. I think I may be ready to call this one my favorite Cameron movie and retire T2 from the top spot. I liked all of the added scenes, especially the one with Tsu'tey although overall it's pretty much the exact same movie.
p.s. Ma Jake ftw.
Anyway, still really awesome and kicks the ever living shit out of the gimped 2D version. No matter what the video quality of the blu-ray is, it'll never be able to replicate the 3D theater experience. This is the fifth time I watch Avatar in theaters, that's just crazy. I think I may be ready to call this one my favorite Cameron movie and retire T2 from the top spot. I liked all of the added scenes, especially the one with Tsu'tey although overall it's pretty much the exact same movie.p.s. Ma Jake ftw.
I never liked Halloween, although if it counts, I might put Alien above The Shining actually. I don't think horror films tend to be good films though.CaptYamato said:
As for the above debate. Avatar is an incredibly unique film to me, in that it really is just environment porn. I can watch it with the sound off, listening to music and enjoy it far more than with the sound on.
The 3D was incredible to me, even seeing the disjointed fifteen minute preview completely blew my mind.
nib95 said:
The ones in the theatrical Special Edition don't affect it all that much, they're more like a bonus, except for one at the end that does add a bit to the plot. Most of the time it's like 5 seconds here, 10 seconds there, with about 3 really new "long" scenes. If you're not interested in the wealth of bonus material or aren't a superfan of the movie I guess it's not that worthwhile. The blu-ray does have an alternate opening on Earth.
I'm just hoping a slower paced first act might feel more consistent because I'm sure the second act will be just as slow as before.
Avatar had a disadvantage, they had to cut the film before rendering it. Something that happens all the time with CG animation (and before it hand drawn animation), however CG films until this point hadn't also been stylistic similar to live action movies. Cameron really couldn't recut the film to play with the pacing before release, and without lots of cash, he still wouldn't have had the chance to do so with later iterations.
It must be incredibly scary to essentially commit to a cut before ever having seen your film.
Avatar had a disadvantage, they had to cut the film before rendering it. Something that happens all the time with CG animation (and before it hand drawn animation), however CG films until this point hadn't also been stylistic similar to live action movies. Cameron really couldn't recut the film to play with the pacing before release, and without lots of cash, he still wouldn't have had the chance to do so with later iterations.
It must be incredibly scary to essentially commit to a cut before ever having seen your film.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Well technically he could still see a cut of the film - it was just a very rought render of it.
He could see a cut of a film. So much of the reaction of a film, Avatar more so than most, is in the finished images. Even things like the final image balance can have notable impact on the reaction to the film. Cameron might have had a good idea of what it all would look like, but he couldn't really know. He had an enormous thing to commit to when ordering the renders. That's going to get worse if he ups the framerate, that's even more cash he has to commit to.Scullibundo said:
Although I'm sure he could push the template tech next time around, so it looks a lot closer to Avatar standard. It's a special case, it should look better than any video game in existence and it looks like dog shit.
These are the remaining releases:StuBurns said:
- 3D Panasonic exclusive. Not retail, so it doesn't count. Exclusive for 1 year.
- 3D retail, will include Extended Cut and Bonus material, which Cameron said are ready for 3D. The Retail 3D disc won't come out until 2012 or 2013.
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