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[DrForester]

Avatar 1 brought us to an alien world, which Cameron completely mined by the end of the movie. Nothing else to see on Pandora, but seeing Earth in the future would give Cameron the chance of creating an entirely new, completely unfamiliar world.

And then you can have human Zoe Saldana and human Sam Worthington. Maybe explain Ewya as some galactic subconscious which is present across the universe, but humans lost contact with it hundreds of years ago or something. The Navi will help humans reconnect with this entity, thematically tying the two films together. It's actually a pretty brilliant idea.

As for the poster above who said that the Navi don't understand technology: this is true, but now they are led by a HUMAN who DOES understand technology. He can help them build spaceships so he can return home.

This conveniently forgets the fact that Pandora is already a fictional world in Jake's head. The entire movie was a psychological thriller, showing us what the mind of a man, crippled by both physical and personal loss, will come up with to cope. And then the fight the mind will go through to hold onto that desirable fantasy by destroying everything about it's previous existence. Quaritch was the last part of his humanity.

Floating mountains and blue cat-people. You took that seriously?

 

[DonMigs85]

Avatar 1 brought us to an alien world, which Cameron completely mined by the end of the movie. Nothing else to see on Pandora, but seeing Earth in the future would give Cameron the chance of creating an entirely new, completely unfamiliar world.

And then you can have human Zoe Saldana and human Sam Worthington. Maybe explain Ewya as some galactic subconscious which is present across the universe, but humans lost contact with it hundreds of years ago or something. The Navi will help humans reconnect with this entity, thematically tying the two films together. It's actually a pretty brilliant idea.

As for the poster above who said that the Navi don't understand technology: this is true, but now they are led by a HUMAN who DOES understand technology. He can help them build spaceships so he can return home.

I don't think Jake is the scientifically-minded sort.

 

[TacticalFox88]

This conveniently forgets the fact that Pandora is already a fictional world in Jake's head. The entire movie was a psychological thriller, showing us what the mind of a man, crippled by both physical and personal loss, will come up with to cope. And then the fight the mind will go through to hold onto that desirable fantasy by destroying everything about it's previous existence. Quaritch was the last part of his humanity.

Floating mountains and blue cat-people. You took that seriously?

Sounds like an Inception sequel plot. :lol

 

[StuBurns]

Underwater Avatar sounds really strange to me, what gave Pandora it's look was Cameron surfacing ocean life essentially, I wonder if it'll ring as transparent if their oceans are like ours.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Underwater Avatar sounds really strange to me, what gave Pandora it's look was Cameron surfacing ocean life essentially, I wonder if it'll ring as transparent if their oceans are like ours.

I've thought about this fact as well.

This is probably why he's really hoping to see some whacky shit at the bottom of the mariana trench. I will be interested to see the reason for them to explore the oceans.

 

[DrForester]

I've thought about this fact as well.

This is probably why he's really hoping to see some whacky shit at the bottom of the mariana trench. I will be interested to see the reason for them to explore the oceans.

The Navi tell Jake of a great treasure that sank with a Navi ship, 100 years ago. After talking to one of the elderly survivors, wee see the last fateful days of the Navi ship told in flashback!

 

[Somnia]

Man I appear to have missed a lot of talk in this thread today. Solo finally watching it again has gotten me to watch it again.... whenever I have free time =)

 

[Solo]

The first teaser for A2 will be funny. They no longer need to sell some strange blue furry movie anymore. Remember how the first film's trailer very intentionally blasted out "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE TERMINATOR...ALIENS...T2...TRUE LIES...TITANIC" to try and quell the instant reaction of "oh my god, what the hell is this furry crap?" No need for that anymore. I bet Cameron's name and credentials won't be shown at all in the sequel teaser, as this property has now far surpassed the rest of his properties in terms of recognition.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Nah I reckon we're gonna get something along the lines of 'James Cameron will take you on another epic joirney' or some shit like that.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Sounds like an Inception sequel plot. :lol

Sounds more like the end of Total Recall to me.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Nah I reckon we're gonna get something along the lines of 'James Cameron will take you on another epic joirney' or some shit like that.

Yeah his name will be front and center; the Blu-Ray spine reads "Jame's Cameron's AVATAR". I haven't seen that for any of his other films and I took it as an indication they/he want his name synonymous with it.

 

[Nappuccino]

Yeah his name will be front and center; the Blu-Ray spine reads "Jame's Cameron's AVATAR". I haven't seen that for any of his other films and I took it as an indication they/he want his name synonymous with it.

Or, marketing wants to make it clear that you aren't picking up M Night's AVATAR

 

[GhaleonEB]

Or, marketing wants to make it clear that you aren't picking up M Night's AVATAR

Which wasn't called Avatar.

 

[Nappuccino]

Which wasn't called Avatar.

Or the tv show, whichever.

 

[Cudder]

He's already confirmed that A2 will take us to the oceans of Pandora, much in the same capacity A1 took us to the floating mountains.

So pretty much the opposite of the Bioshock universe.

 

[Solo]

Nah I reckon we're gonna get something along the lines of 'James Cameron will take you on another epic joirney' or some shit like that.

"James Cameron will make you experience a 3 hour erection. Contact your doctor ahead of time"

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

AVATAR SEQUEL SPOILERS

Spoiler

Weaver's confirmed return.

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“Don’t worry, I will be back. [James Cameron] says no one ever dies in science fiction. He’s told me the stories for the next two movies and I have to say that they’re absolutely wonderful and there’s a real treat in store. Now we just have to make them.”

 

[DonMigs85]

AVATAR SEQUEL SPOILERS

Spoiler

Weaver's confirmed return.

Spoiler

I still think she was somehow responsible for sending the beasts to aid the Na'vi

 

[jett]

AVATAR SEQUEL SPOILERS

Spoiler

Weaver's confirmed return.

She'll show up when Jake jacks into the Matrix, I mean Eywa.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Yeah that is pretty much what I was always thinking. I just hope when they converse, her character has gone through a big change as a result of where she is.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Spoiler

I still think she was somehow responsible for sending the beasts to aid the Na'vi

Spoiler

Kind of strange she waited till they were getting utterly slaughtered, no?

 

[DonMigs85]

Spoiler

Kind of strange she waited till they were getting utterly slaughtered, no?

Good point.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Spoiler

Kind of strange she waited till they were getting utterly slaughtered, no?

Spoiler

Eywa controls the balance of life, or something like that. I don't think she would step in unless that balance was being tipped - as it was about to be.

That's my rationale for a convenient climax, anyways.

 

[StuBurns]

Come on Cameron, my Godfather 2 idea, do it.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Godfather 2 idea isn't interesting in this context though.

Reverse Apocalypse Now this motherfucker.

The jungle wanting someone dead could play out literally!

 

[Discotheque]

The first teaser for A2 will be funny. They no longer need to sell some strange blue furry movie anymore. Remember how the first film's trailer very intentionally blasted out "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE TERMINATOR...ALIENS...T2...TRUE LIES...TITANIC" to try and quell the instant reaction of "oh my god, what the hell is this furry crap?" No need for that anymore. I bet Cameron's name and credentials won't be shown at all in the sequel teaser, as this property has now far surpassed the rest of his properties in terms of recognition.

Titanic's still pretty big on name recognition.

I don't know if they'll even mention it in the trailer though. Probably just drop JC's name. And this better be fucking dark and aliens/ESB ish. I want death and a hopeless ending here.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Titanic's still pretty big on name recognition.

I don't know if they'll even mention it in the trailer though. Probably just drop JC's name. And this better be fucking dark and aliens/ESB ish. I want death and a hopeless ending here.

I would like that too, but I'm not sure if Cameron still has it in him.

My biggest concern is that he said he would continue the main themes from the first, which I fear is the green message that I don't really want to see explored further.

 

[Dead]

Come on Cameron, my Godfather 2 idea, do it.

Do you mean make half the movie on Pandora and half the movie on Earth in the past with Jake during wartime?

That was an idea I liked lol

 

[Discotheque]

That's most likely going to occur, he's become a pretty outspoken activist against global warming, oilsands etc.

Abyss may have tanked but he got his redemption with Abahdah.

It would be great if James Cameron followed the Star Wars trilogy in tone though. Happy-Dark-Happy.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Do you mean make half the movie on Pandora and half the movie on Earth in the past with Jake during wartime?

That was an idea I liked lol

That actually sounds better than what he was proposing - which was switching between the present and the past where Grace is struggling with the school against Quaritch. Which has no interest to me as another storyline.

 

[Discotheque]

Dead's idea is boss.

 

[Dead]

The Grace/School storyline is done as of the extended cut, I dont see why that needs to be explored further tbh

But yeah, I think it would be a cool way to showcase a future urban warfare and tie the theme of that story into the current one somehow.

I do think something along those lines is possible, if only for the fact of not having your main actor in mocap 100% of the time (and costing even more monies)

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Sounds good. I mean, I still prefer my reverse Apocalypse idea, with some green beret who has had his own avatar grown on a trip out to Pandora cut off his own fingers to blend in with the Na'vi, whilst slowly making his way toward Jake to terminate him. Lord knows Cameron can do a good infiltrator storyline.

Meanwhile the rest of the humans head into the underground caverns, toward the heart (not literal) of Pandora in order to kill the planet and take whatever minerals they want with no resistance.

But yes, I would be down with seeing Jake's old war campaign. I was always interested when he said to Selfridge 'You don't want that kind of blood on your hands - believe me'.

 

[Discotheque]

Fat Jake spouting out words like "the horror..the horror"

 

[Dead]

I would like that too, but I'm not sure if Cameron still has it in him.

My biggest concern is that he said he would continue the main themes from the first, which I fear is the green message that I don't really want to see explored further.

I think if anything, whether its darker or not (id wager it will be) I think it will without a doubt be wierder.

After reading the making of book, seems like Cameron was encouraged to cut out stuff from the movie simply because some execs found it too wierd. Even a wonderful scene like Grace counting the fingers of Na'vi kids was taken out due to notes on that scene seeming out of place (people not realizing the na'vi had 4 fingers before that scene...no shit)

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Whatever weird stuff is there, I hope its all new. I don't really want to see the cut stuff from the first film shoehorned into the second.

 

[Dead]

Id bet we see the medusas from the scriptment

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Still, the big question is how he's going to make the underwater parts look weird when a lot of the land dwelling creatures from the first took inspiration from those found in our oceans.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Sounds good. I mean, I still prefer my reverse Apocalypse idea, with some green beret who has had his own avatar grown on a trip out to Pandora cut off his own fingers to blend in with the Na'vi, whilst slowly making his way toward Jake to terminate him. Lord knows Cameron can do a good infiltrator storyline.

Meanwhile the rest of the humans head into the underground caverns, toward the heart (not literal) of Pandora in order to kill the planet and take whatever minerals they want with no resistance.

But yes, I would be down with seeing Jake's old war campaign. I was always interested when he said to Selfridge 'You don't want that kind of blood on your hands - believe me'.

I like both of these ideas a lot. Wasn't Jake suppose to have fought in Venezuela? Now that is a place i would like to see in the future.
All I can ask is that I would like Cameron to add some stealth super soldier suits like this one:

How awesome would it be to see futuristic tanks and marines storming Caracas(?), in addition with some Delta special forces wearing those suits.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I'd like to see a scene on Earth of the political fallout with the failure on Pandora. Who get's blamed, the shitstorm it caused, the UN possibly getting involved, etc.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Whatever weird stuff is there, I hope its all new. I don't really want to see the cut stuff from the first film shoehorned into the second.

I'm curious to see at what stage his left over ideas get used. Cameron said he tossed a lot of ideas to save for the sequel, should there have been one. But I wasn't sure if he cut them during development, or writing. I hope it was the latter.

 

[Solo]

A Godfather II split w/ Jake on earth in the past makes no sense. Jake is a forward-moving character. There is nothing to be gained or learned about him by looking backwards that we didn't already know.

 

[Übermatik]

A Godfather II split w/ Jake on earth in the past makes no sense. Jake is a forward-moving character. There is nothing to be gained or learned about him by looking backwards that we didn't already know.

Unless he has flashbacks about the past and ultimately begins to regret staying on Pandora? he could fall into temptation when the RDA inevitably come back...

Wait, that's a terrible idea.

 

[cloud_sleep]

A flashback from Jakes military past would be cool. It could be used to introduce someone who served with him / knew him and who is now about to come to Pandora. It would also be a good excuse to show some of the more futuristic tech that couldn't be brought to Pandora because it wouldn't function in the moon's magnetic fields - mag-lev aircraft, energy weapons etc.

 

[StuBurns]

My 'Godfather 2' idea was Jake/Neytiri post-Avatar 1, Quaritch and Grace pre-Avatar 1.

It's really more because I think reviving dead characters is obnixious. There's no sense of peril if there's no ultimate repercussions for actions.

 

[Count Dookkake]

A big DUUUUUUUUH to the new "spoiler."


Here's the real spoiler: we will meet some really ugly aliens in 2.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

A Godfather II split w/ Jake on earth in the past makes no sense. Jake is a forward-moving character. There is nothing to be gained or learned about him by looking backwards that we didn't already know.

I 100% agree with this.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

48fps won't cut it! He wants to shoot the sequels at 60fps!

Fucking knew it.

In terms of how he will decide at what rate to shoot the Avatar sequels, Cameron said, “If the exhibitors will adopt the idea of a dual standard, than I’ll probably want to shoot 60. If they don’t, then I will have to look very carefully at the pros and cons of 60 and 48.”

Projectors are just one part of the equation. Cameron said, “The cost (to go to higher frame rates) is not at the camera, which is very straightforward; the cost is not at the projectors, because it is a software upgrade. I could go out right now, shoot a movie at 60 fps if it was all live action and project it, and have a stunning effect. It has value immediately. What we have to work on is the FX workflow—primarily the render pipeline.”

“The trick in the near term is going to be to not have a big upward inflection in the cost of visual effects,” he explained. “I believe there are ways to do it, but there is some code that needs to be written to do it, and I’m working with some of the big FX providers on that now. You can’t expect people to run off adopting a higher frame rate if it is going to cost an addition 10 percent of their FX costs, which are already pretty high. We have to get it down to 1 percent or so, which I think is achievable.”

 

[StuBurns]

I'd rather they go to 60. I just hope the 'industry' make a consensus decision about it in the near future. It's going to be so strange having most films in 24, some in 48, some in 60 etc.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I'd rather they go to 60. I just hope the 'industry' make a consensus decision about it in the near future. It's going to be so strange having most films in 24, some in 48, some in 60 etc.

I don't care about 2D films staying at 24, but 3D films need to go higher.