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Scullibundo said:
Gentleman, its been a pleasure.

I'm now off to go give my friend his bday present, then we're going to start heading toward IMAX.

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I want Sculli to never post again after this one.
 
Scullibundo said:
Gentleman, its been a pleasure.

I'm now off to go give my friend his bday present, then we're going to start heading toward IMAX.

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The end of an era.






Now what awaits us is countless threads filled with useless information about Battle Angel Alita! :P

I kid buddy, have a good one.
 
I actually am okay with Cameron probably doing "The Dive" next. It probably won't be as huge as Battle Angel or Avatar 2, and I'm interested in the possibilities for 3D in the realm of a smaller sort of film.
 
stuburns said:
No I didn't, although you're right, that was piss poor writing. What I meant to say was Cameron was moaning that the industry is pushing 4k24fps (the standard for modern 35mm movies) when he believes 2k48fps is a better direction to take cinema.
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I guarantee if there was a theatrical release of a 48fps movie you'd have people bitching and moaning about how it looks like a soap opera.
 
polyh3dron said:
I guarantee if there was a theatrical release of a 48fps movie you'd have people bitching and moaning about how it looks like a soap opera.
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I'm sure you're right, I agree with him though, motion artifacts from 24fps are really clear now everyone has bluray and HD. And it's virtually no harder to do it. If it'll be 48, or 60 or whatever I have no idea, but I think higher frame films are coming soon enough.
 
Count Dookkake said:
You should have seen her at the Strange Days premiere after-party. No 'kinda' about it at all, at least back then.
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To be honest if I had the ability I'd take that back and just say I'd do dirty dirty things to that grandmother. Well I said it.
 
jett said:
The end of an era.






Now what awaits us is countless threads filled with useless information about Battle Angel Alita! :P

I kid buddy, have a good one.
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Indeed, though I'll be right there with him for Battle Angel. I'm a GUNNM freak.
 
Ugh, I still have 4 days before I see it! :[
Have a good one Sculli!
Hard to believe it's finally here!
 
Haha, thought this was pretty funny.
Months ago I was really drunk and browsing gaf and AVATAR was getting a bunch of haters.
So I PMed Sculli my support. :lol :lol
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Now that it's all over with I figured I'd share.
Bastard never replied though. :[
 
Probably posted but in case it wasn't. Video interview of Cameron talking about Battle Angel. He confirms that there's a script already for it and that there's an arc reel footage of Battle Angel.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/12/14/avatar-director-offers-update-on-battle-angel-alita-adaptation/

The mixture of live-action and CG is a little trickier in 3-D than it is 2-D," Cameron told MTV News. "Now we see it's good to have done 'Avatar' first before 'Battle Angel,' because the tricky scenes are where you're blending live-action photography, stereoscopic photography and CG."

"Shooting live stuff in 3-D and then adding CG characters and landscapes beyond that, that's a little tricky," he explained.

As for where the film stands, Cameron seemed to indicate that "Alita" is still on his radar — though he hasn't progressed to the point of casting the film thus far.

"We're not that far down the line," he said. "We have a very good script and we've done a lot of production design. We've done about a year of production design and we've put together an art reel that shows the arc of the film."

"It's pretty much just add water and we're ready to go," he laughed.
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ZoddGutts said:
Probably posted but in case it wasn't. Video interview of Cameron talking about Battle Angel. He confirms that there's a script already for it and that there's an arc reel footage of Battle Angel.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/12/14/avatar-director-offers-update-on-battle-angel-alita-adaptation/
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Strange, a few days ago I saw an interview with him where he said the opposite, that he was in a different place now and was unsure if he'd ever develop the movie. :P

Truthfully I think that if Avatar becomes a massive success we're gonna see at least a couple of straight sequels from Cameron. :P
 
Cameron or one of the producers stated, perhaps jokingly, that they'd announce the sequels to Avatar when the revenue hit/exceeded their expectations, which is apparently the marker for how we'll know when the movie did indeed hit those expectations that no one knows of.
 
I've seen all of the current flavors of theatrical 3D except LieMax, and they all looked like shit. I finally saw 3DVision a couple days ago, and that looked like shit, too. I really, really want good-looking 3D.
It reminds me of watching a first-gen plasma in January 2000, except instead of pathetic blacks, you have pathetic whites, and correspondingly abysmal contrast ratios.
 
jett said:
Truthfully I think that if Avatar becomes a massive success we're gonna see at least a couple of straight sequels from Cameron. :P
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Fine by me, if only to increase the chances of the Wachowskis being the ones to direct a Battle Angel movie. Cameron doesn't have that in him other than the tech stuff. Maybe he could produce?
 
Dan said:
Fine by me, if only to increase the chances of the Wachowskis being the ones to direct a Battle Angel movie. Cameron doesn't have that in him other than the tech stuff. Maybe he could produce?
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How could you possibly think the Wachowski's are better equipped to direct anything than James Cameron is?

Well, I take that back. Only they could have done Speed Racer, though I think that was more a momentary rush of blood to the head than truly indicative of their skill.
 
jett said:
Strange, a few days ago I saw an interview with him where he said the opposite, that he was in a different place now and was unsure if he'd ever develop the movie. :P

Truthfully I think that if Avatar becomes a massive success we're gonna see at least a couple of straight sequels from Cameron. :P
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I wonder, since so much tech is involved in this particular project, if it's sort of similar to video games in that once they have the new engine and such up and running in the first game, it's much easier to set it all up for the second game.

Since Cameron already has all this tech set up and working seemingly perfectly (a considerable amount of the wait involved simply waiting for it to appear), and the world and characters visualized and defined, I wonder how quickly we could get Avatar 2.
 
Zophar said:
How could you possibly think the Wachowski's are better equipped to direct anything than James Cameron is?

Well, I take that back. Only they could have done Speed Racer, though I think that was more a momentary rush of blood to the head than truly indicative of their skill.
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What? Whatever people think of Speed Racer, it's masterfully directed by the Wachowskis and employs storytelling techniques never before seen.

I don't care much about Battle Angel, but news of the Wachowskis directing a live-action adaptation of Akira would be pretty much the greatest thing ever.
 
jett said:
What? Whatever people think of Speed Racer, it's masterfully directed by the Wachowskis and employs storytelling techniques never before seen.

I don't care much about Battle Angel, but news of the Wachowskis directing a live-action adaptation of Akira would be pretty much the greatest thing ever.
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Speed Racer is their masterpiece, that's what I was getting at. I was trying to say that, as far as we've seen from them, they are merely competent as filmmakers. Cameron on the other hand has proven time and again he's among the best in the field, I can't understand how someone would prefer a lesser director handle a project that he's perfectly capable of taking on himself.

Also, live action Akira? Pass. The animation is what makes the movie.
 
jett said:
I don't care much about Battle Angel, but news of the Wachowskis directing a live-action adaptation of Akira would be pretty much the greatest thing ever.
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If we're talking about dream films and Akira, I'd kill a dozen people to see David Cronenberg do Akira with a massive budget.

Zophar said:
How could you possibly think the Wachowski's are better equipped to direct anything than James Cameron is?

Well, I take that back. Only they could have done Speed Racer, though I think that was more a momentary rush of blood to the head than truly indicative of their skill.
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In short, a) Speed Racer is fucking brilliant, and b) it demonstrates a unique command of space and time that would be absolutely perfect for handling the action sequences of Battle Angel. Cameron has absolutely no interest in experimenting with film language, and I firmly believe that Battle Angel's action sequences would completely require nontraditional techniques. Cameron's strength is in being the absolute best at very, very traditional cinema.
 
Dan said:
If we're talking about dream films and Akira, I'd kill a dozen people to see David Cronenberg do Akira with a massive budget.


In short, a) Speed Racer is fucking brilliant, and b) it demonstrates a unique command of space and time that would be absolutely perfect for handling the action sequences of Battle Angel. Cameron has absolutely no interest in experimenting with film language, and I firmly believe that Battle Angel's action sequences would completely require nontraditional techniques. Cameron's strength is in being the absolute best at very, very traditional cinema.
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I understand your point and I think it's valid, though I think you're being disingenuous about Cameron's capabilities. Now, I should preface I don't worship the man like Sculli or some other folks but it's pretty evident that he's redefined effects pictures at least three times through his career (in particular T2, Titanic, and now Avatar), his track record suggests that "traditional" is a misnomer because he has historically trailblazed what we consider traditional now.
 
Zophar said:
I understand your point and I think it's valid, though I think you're being disingenuous about Cameron's capabilities. Now, I should preface I don't worship the man like Sculli or some other folks but it's pretty evident that he's redefined effects pictures at least three times through his career (in particular T2, Titanic, and now Avatar), his track record suggests that "traditional" is a misnomer because he has historically trailblazed what we consider traditional now.
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Effects != film language

He hasn't trailblazed shit when it comes to film language, just CGI and related tech.
 
Dan said:
Effects != film language

He hasn't trailblazed shit when it comes to film language, just CGI and related tech.
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That's a really nebulous concept, I'd love to hear how you feel the Wachowskis have changed film language.
 
I don't know much about Battle Angel, really, but the little bit I do know doesn't make it sound like a James Cameron kind of movie. I would actually agree that it's got a certain vibe that the Wachowskis could handle. Neither the Wachowskis or Cameron are great writers, but the Wachowskis' writing has a quality to it that seems to support the Battle Angel source material a little better (again, I don't know since I only know a synopsis).

Edit: Are the Wachowskis even working on anything right now? It seems like it'd be hard for them to get funding for anything after Speed Racer bombed that hard.
 
Zeliard said:
Jesus @ GAF's enormous love for Speed Racer.

Maybe I need to see that movie.
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Don't. It's not worth it. Because you'll just feel sorry for not seeing it in theaters....on the Imax. Glorious!
 
Zophar said:
That's a really nebulous concept, I'd love to hear how you feel the Wachowskis have changed film language.
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Did you not see the movie? They did some really cool stuff with melting time and space together and manipulating them within shots. First thing I thought of while watching the Casa Cristo sequence was that it was that the Wachowskis had figured out exactly how Battle Angel's motorball sequences should be shot, and less literally every other action scene. That space/time bending would be perfect for capturing the way Battle Angel Alita can spend 3 pages depicting one move during a fight while maintaining all its kinetic energy.

I'm not knocking Cameron for this, his techniques work great for most things, but he has very little interest in anything but an omniscient and traditional perspective on his film's subjects. Other projects demand different tools.
 
Zeliard said:
Jesus @ GAF's enormous love for Speed Racer.

Maybe I need to see that movie.
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It's definitely not for everybody. I can totally understand why some people (Amir0x, for example), hate it passionately. If you fall into its very niche range of appeal, the interesting choices in terms of art style and filmmaking become quite transcendent.
 
I only remember one scene in battle angel with alita fighting at light speed or something and time slowing down around them and I think that was in the final book, everything else was standard anime fare.
 
Zeliard said:
Fawkers.

Is the Blu-Ray hot?
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It's ranked up there with Braveheart and Casino Royale on the AVS chart. So yes, absolutely. :lol

It was probably the most polarizing film I've seen on Gaf in my 4 years reading here.
 
Dan said:
Did you not see the movie? They did some really cool stuff with melting time and space together and manipulating them within shots. First thing I thought of while watching the Casa Cristo sequence was that it was that the Wachowskis had figured out exactly how Battle Angel's motorball sequences should be shot, and less literally every other action scene. That space/time bending would be perfect for capturing the way Battle Angel Alita can spend 3 pages depicting one move during a fight while maintaining all its kinetic energy.

I'm not knocking Cameron for this, his techniques work great for most things, but he has very little interest in anything but an omniscient and traditional perspective on his film's subjects. Other projects demand different tools.
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Okay, that makes sense. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything so thanks for indulging my question. :) I should have noted that I really haven't read Battle Angel but from the impressions I get it exists in the same space as Speed Racer does (both the cartoon and the film); it's governed by a set of rules that makes sense in cartoons or comic books but not really anywhere else.
 
Zeliard said:
Fawkers.

Is the Blu-Ray hot?
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It's a straight digital transfer, so it looks pretty unbelievable.

But you really missed out on something by skipping the movie when it was in theaters.

on a side note: I can hardly stand film grain anymore, I wish all directors would jump to HD digital cameras. :P
 
Zeliard said:
Jesus @ GAF's enormous love for Speed Racer.

Maybe I need to see that movie.
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I don't love it but I certainly don't think its an enormous pile of shit like some people would say because then I wouldn't know what to call Transformers 2.

poor shots at Transformers 2 aside, I do think Speedracer was an ok movie
 
jett said:
It's a straight digital transfer, so it looks pretty unbelievable.

But you really missed out on something by skipping the movie when it was in theaters.
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You're not supposed to keep saying this, dammit.

jett said:
on a side note: I can hardly stand film grain anymore, I wish all directors would jump to HD digital cameras. :P
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I think I just heard a growl from Quentin Tarantino. :lol
 
Speed Racer midnight showing was one of the highlights of my theater-going life. :D
 
wtf is this melting space/time continuum shit in speed racer??? i don't remember any of that unless you are talking about the slo-mo shots?
 
kIdMuScLe said:
wtf is this melting space/time continuum shit in speed racer??? i don't remember any of that unless you are talking about the slo-mo shots?
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Speed Racer regularly balanced like six timelines at any given moment. The intro and the scene where Royalton is explaining what will happen is Speed refuses him are prime examples of this.
 
kIdMuScLe said:
wtf is this melting space/time continuum shit in speed racer??? i don't remember any of that unless you are talking about the slo-mo shots?
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There's a brilliant transition shot right when the Casa Cristo race moves into the desert environment that handles the whole spacial and temporal transition within one shot while simultaneously giving a villain a 'talking head' shot. The Casa Cristo race was the highlight for these techniques in the film, though they were used elsewhere too, but it was integral to that race.
 
Imagine Battle Angel Alita being Produced by Cameron, Ridley Scott and the Wachowskis. Cameron would provide the technology insight, Ridley the set pieces and Wachowskis the interesting story boards and cuts. I have zero clue about how movies are made though :lol
 
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