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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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y2dvd said:
The most impressive 3D scene was the shot of
those octopus looking creature floating towards you before the love scene
. I noticed audiences around me reaching out to the screen. Hell, it made me reach out and want to touch it too. So immersive.

Yep. Intense.
 
I just realized something. Robert Zemeckis must be feeling all kinds of worthless now. The facial animation on his movies look decades behind compared to Avatar. :lol
 
Deadly Cyclone said:
Cameron needs to make Halo. Those were big Hornets... :)

I am seriously debating going again today, can't decide.

This is like asking JK Rowling to write a Percy Jackson and the Olympian sequel. Does it make sense to you?
 
Justin said:
Checking one more time before I head out,

LieMax 3d

or

Digital Real 3d
LieMAX if the other one is RealD.

jett said:
I just realized something. Robert Zemeckis must be feeling all kinds of worthless now. The facial animation on his movies look decades behind compared to Avatar. :lol
Here's an interview with Cameron discussing his motion capture concepts, really interesting stuff if you fancy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aao0YSITuxc
 
T Dawg said:
I was wrong about this film. I declare it to be 'pretty fucking awesome'. The character design is great, it's not really furry like or creepy at all. The main actor, Worthington, has a kindness to his face that I thought was perfect for this role. He reminded me a little of the 'good' soldiers in Generation Kill.
I'm glad you were turned around, I could see this film giving poor initial impressions, although personally I was on board from day one.
T Dawg said:
The 3D effects in the trailer beforehand were AMAZING - it felt like a logo was coming out of the screen and was about 3 metres away from me. During the film, the 3D was really cool and made it all seem more futuristic. It worked best on wide angle shots where things went gradually into the distance, in close up conversation shots it was just a bit of a distraction I guess as it was too weird and didn't really work.
I never found the 3D distracting, but I thought it's quality wavered depending on the scene, more often the live action didn't feel as richly deep as the animated material.
T Dawg said:
3D gets a thumbs up from me, just because it's cool. A little distracting, but the coolness factor makes up for that.
3D gets a thumbs up from me also!
T Dawg said:
When Jake comes back on the massive red dragon and walks up to the crowd of na'vi, that was pure badassery right there. I loved that whole scene, from that moment, to his conversation with the people there, making up with that dude who hated him, and giving his big speech, and then onto the montage of them getting all the tribes together. Good stuff.
I agree it was bad ass, although the scene earlier talking about only five people riding one made it really clear he was going to later.
T Dawg said:
This is also the first thing I've ever seen Michelle Rodriguez do that I didn't hate her in. It was small, yet arguably the role she was born to play, know what I mean?
Don't know about born to play her, but I fully agree she was good, it's the first time I haven't wanted to throw up every time she's on screen.
T Dawg said:
I cried a couple times. But I do cry a lot during films.
I didn't, but I did think parts were very emotional.
T Dawg said:
It reminded me of Lord of the Rings a bit, the big battles and that. Didn't remind me of any of Camerons prior work at all.
It didn't really remind me of LotR, and it does feel like a 'Cameron movie' to me, although closest to the Abyss I guess.
T Dawg said:
The main female na'vi - her first talking scene was really impressive, I was wowed by that performance.
Yep, Zoe was incredible and by far the best performance of the film, a clear Oscar nom, if not winner.
T Dawg said:
I liked the line when the girls mum was cutting Jake down "If you're truly one of us...then help us." or something like that.
Yep, me too.
T Dawg said:
I didn't get what all that 'I see you' stuff was all about.
It's a declaration of affection, seeing someone's soul thru their eyes. The eyes are the gateway to the soul after all.

T Dawg said:
Reply to all my comments please.
Done
 
Those 4K images are huge. Of course, at my seating distance I don't know how big the screen would need to be to get the full benefit. 1440 P would allow me a 70" screen at 7.5 feet... 2K would probably allow me something completely insane like a 90-100" screen. 4K would move likely take up my entire wall :lol
 
@ tdawg, i basically agree with you on everything.

and your last comment, i think thats how they say hello.

edit: okay what stuburns said sounds better :lol
 
jett said:
I think ScientificNinja needs some growing up to do. Titanic is not only a good movie, DiCaprio is also one of the best currently working actors.
Agreed, but in his defense, he did say it was 10-15 years ago. We were all a lot younger back then.

I enjoyed Titanic, and thought it was probably better than Avatar.

Avatar will be a landmark in technology and film-making, but I don't think it's such a spectacle outside the effects.
 
Charred Greyface said:
:lol Cameron thought up the whole of Pandora, he chose that the whole of the planet was monogamous.

Gafer, please. Even in Dancing with Wolve the white hero dressed up like a native American. It doesn't change that the majority of the audience will identify with either of the two Marines for most of the movie. That Scully calls the human people the aliens at the end is more likely to get him considered a 'race traitor' than a source of great wisdom


yeah. cameron made the whole planet monogamous.. but it was central to the story.. the story would be completely different if they weren't.. what a strange fucken thing to get worked up over..



and there is a difference between dressing up like a native american, and actually being inside the body of a navi.
 
saw it tonight. it was ok. i real eye popping show.

i thought the "unobtianium" was a pretty lame plot device.

i also thought the narration and montages were weak storytelling. not cameron's usual style.

otherwise i really enjoyed it.
 
Unobtianium was a mistake I think, not the plot but the name. In the scriptment he made it very clear that is not it's 'real' name, it's just what they call it, and it really is a word actually used for mega rare materials, but the amount of people who know that are very few, most people are just going to come away thinking it's a stupid name. Kind of the same thing as the mountains, the film makes no effort to tell the audience why they do what they do, but he wrote a perfectly fine scientific explanation for it.
 
Looking at the Friday box office...poor Princess and the Frog, it's gonna get steamrolled by Avatar. Kids are going crazy for this movie.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I want to gloat over my 85 million prediction but I can't find it. It may be in another Avatar thread. Help, anyone?

Click Search, type your account name into "User Name" to the right of the screen and make sure "Find Posts by User" is selected, type a keyword you think you used within the post in "Keyword(s)" to the left of the screen, and on the bottom select "Show results as Posts"
 
I kinda hated on this movie when the trailer was first released, but damn - I was blown away after seeing it last night.

It's just gorgeous. The 3D, IMO, absolutely makes the film. There's no way I could watch it in 2D. And I just saw it in a regular theater. I can't imagine what it looks like in IMAX.

That said, I still don't think the CG was "groundbreaking" but there were a few moments when the Na'vi looked incredibly realistic. Still, I've been so spoiled on CG in the past few years that nothing outside of a few select scenes in Benjamin Button has really impressed me.

As others have said though, this feels absolutely nothing like a James Cameron film. The plot is just so "standard" - I was hoping for something surprising to happen but nothing ever did.

I'd still give the film a 9/10 overall though. It's the first film I've seen to give me that "holy shit, movies are fucking magic" feeling since ROTK in 2003.
 
Hands down the most visually stunning film I've ever seen - and I even got to help out with a (very) small portion of the visual effects :D
 
harSon said:
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Thanks!

jett said:
Looking at the Friday box office...poor Princess and the Frog, it's gonna get steamrolled by Avatar. Kids are going crazy for this movie.

Too true. I offered to take a friend's three kids to the movies as their Xmas gift. I wasn't sure what they would want to see because the group consists of a 7 year old boy, a 9 year old girl and a 12 year old boy. When the mom asked the kids, the little girl lead the charge, screaming out "AVATAR, AVATAR, LET'S SEE AVATAR."

Mind you, this is a pink-wearing, princess-playing little girl who is in love with The Jonas Brothers.
 
jett said:
Looking at the Friday box office...poor Princess and the Frog, it's gonna get steamrolled by Avatar. Kids are going crazy for this movie.

Princess and the Frog will do fine, it made $5-6 million Monday through Thursday, it's probably going to slow burn its way to being a success.
 
first off - i loved the movie and will definitly watch it a second time in Liemax (just like my first viewing yesterday). It's just an amazing experience and i can't stop thinking about it, or reading this thread here :). I would say it's for me in the Ranks of a Star Wars/Jurassic Park/Matrix.

the unobtainium-name is not the big thing for me but what i find a bit weird is that the avatar project as a whole doesn't seemed to be useful for the corporation/military.. is there any good explanation why even try this thing if you only have so little time left before the shareholders of the corp. are getting angry?

Also i maybe missed it but how long were the humans stationed at pandora before the movie started?
 
Count Dookkake said:
I want to gloat over my 85 million prediction but I can't find it. It may be in another Avatar thread. Help, anyone?
Agree. Early on it was clearly due to the compressed running time, speeding up the introduction and arrival at Pandora. But it should have been dropped after that.
 
Based on the non-spoiler impressions that I've seen from people about the story - can I expect a story similar to all of Cameron's films?

In other words, a fairly simplistic story that is directed so well that the direction is what makes the story so good despite its simplicity?

Anyway, I hope to see this soon, I'm planning to go the day after Christmas.
 
32 Quantum of Solace Sony $27,007,026 16.0% 3,451 $7,826 F 11/14/08 $168,368,427

33 Avatar Fox $27,000,000 100.0% 3,452 $7,822 F 12/18/09 $27,000,000

There's still hope, Solo! Maybe it doesnt make another $7K after actuals come out.
 
Aesius said:
I kinda hated on this movie when the trailer was first released, but damn - I was blown away after seeing it last night.

It's just gorgeous. The 3D, IMO, absolutely makes the film. There's no way I could watch it in 2D. And I just saw it in a regular theater. I can't imagine what it looks like in IMAX.

That said, I still don't think the CG was "groundbreaking" but there were a few moments when the Na'vi looked incredibly realistic. Still, I've been so spoiled on CG in the past few years that nothing outside of a few select scenes in Benjamin Button has really impressed me.

As others have said though, this feels absolutely nothing like a James Cameron film. The plot is just so "standard" - I was hoping for something surprising to happen but nothing ever did.

I'd still give the film a 9/10 overall though. It's the first film I've seen to give me that "holy shit, movies are fucking magic" feeling since ROTK in 2003.

The world? What about Pandora, the entire World? I feel like a lot of people overlook the fact that when speaking about CGI in this film, one should be referring to Pandora. Comparisons with Davey Jones, Benjamin button etc. All lack luster once you put Pandora in the equation. Everything you see there is CGI, it seems to the case that Pandora is so realistic, the only things that pop out for the human eyes to notice are the Na'vi's, as they are alien to us.

By the way, the Na'vi overcome Davey Jones and the lot by many times fold. If you look closely at Davey Jones, his skin is very shiny, this could be tolerated as he's basically an octopus. But have a look at the texture on the Na'vi. How their skins as defined texture when they're dry. The motion capture is also considerably greater in Avatar.
 
Shrinnan said:
Based on the non-spoiler impressions that I've seen from people about the story - can I expect a story similar to all of Cameron's films?

In other words, a fairly simplistic story that is directed so well that the direction is what makes the story so good despite its simplicity?

Anyway, I hope to see this soon, I'm planning to go the day after Christmas.
Yup. Though simple in its overall arc, the detailing is excellent and the moment to moment experience superb.
 
Zozobra said:
Hands down the most visually stunning film I've ever seen - and I even got to help out with a (very) small portion of the visual effects :D
WHICH PART??


Plus, which studio?:D Stop teasing us like this...everyone who's worked on the film in one way or another, come out! haha I'd like to give you guys a huge e-pat on the back :lol
 
jett said:
The only storytelling device I didn't like was the constant narration from Jake. I could've done without that.
Yeah, that was unnecessary. Cameron either didn't have faith in what he was putting on screen or in his audience.

jett said:
I just realized something. Robert Zemeckis must be feeling all kinds of worthless now. The facial animation on his movies look decades behind compared to Avatar. :lol
That shit looked archaic long before Avatar came around.

stuburns said:
Unobtianium was a mistake I think, not the plot but the name. In the scriptment he made it very clear that is not it's 'real' name, it's just what they call it, and it really is a word actually used for mega rare materials, but the amount of people who know that are very few, most people are just going to come away thinking it's a stupid name. Kind of the same thing as the mountains, the film makes no effort to tell the audience why they do what they do, but he wrote a perfectly fine scientific explanation for it.
That was goofy. No one uses that term to describe real materials you can hold in your hand. It's used as a joke or a hypothetical.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Yup. Though simple in its overall arc, the detailing is excellent and the moment to moment experience superb.

That's great. I love the visual fests that Cameron can come up with, but it's his story direction that really makes his movies work for me (I'm sure, since Pandora probably feels like a living planet, the visuals will greatly compliment that).
 
stuburns said:
Unobtianium was a mistake I think, not the plot but the name. In the scriptment he made it very clear that is not it's 'real' name, it's just what they call it, and it really is a word actually used for mega rare materials, but the amount of people who know that are very few, most people are just going to come away thinking it's a stupid name. Kind of the same thing as the mountains, the film makes no effort to tell the audience why they do what they do, but he wrote a perfectly fine scientific explanation for it.
Whatever. Unobtanium makes perfect logical sense. It's not like Midichlorians.
 
Jibril said:
The world? What about Pandora, the entire World? I feel like a lot of people overlook the fact that when speaking about CGI in this film, one should be referring to Pandora. Comparisons with Davey Jones, Benjamin button etc. All lack luster once you put Pandora in the equation. Everything you see there is CGI, it seems to the case that Pandora is so realistic, the only things that pop out for the human eyes to notice are the Na'vi's, as they are alien to us.

By the way, the Na'vi overcome Davey Jones and the lot by many times fold. If you look closely at Davey Jones, his skin is very shiny, this could be tolerated as he's basically an octopus. But have a look at the texture on the Na'vi. How their skins as defined texture when they're dry. The motion capture is also considerably greater in Avatar.
Yup that's how I feel about the CG too. Whether or not you like the Na'vi design, you can't deny that they've done an OUTSTANDING job with the film's overall photorealism. Jungles so lush and real, fuck they could film the original Predator remake entirely in a green screen studio for all I care, knowing how far we've come with cg standards.
 
Looks like it will end up with a $70-$75m weekend, depending how the storm in the east hampers attendance. Word of mouth is apparently off the charts.

Princess and the Frog dropped 52% from last Friday, holy crap.
 
polyh3dron said:
Whatever. Unobtanium makes perfect logical sense. It's not like Midichlorians.

Wikipedia said:
Unobtainium is a facetious term used for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The properties of any particular unobtainium depend on the intended use. For example, a pulley made of unobtainium might be massless and frictionless. However, if used in a nuclear rocket, unobtainium would be light, strong at high temperatures, and resistant to radiation damage.

Used traditionally by engineers and (shock) science fiction writers.
 
polyh3dron said:
Whatever. Unobtanium makes perfect logical sense. It's not like Midichlorians.

Although pretty much superfluous from a plot standpoint
without revealing Chancellor Palpatine as a harmless clone of Sidious
, midichlorians make perfect sense.
 
It's unfortunate that the heavy snow will play a part in Avatar's box office totals. The entire DC Area is covered under like 30 fucking inches.

And you guys seriously need to get off the unobtainium. :lol That's like the definition of nit-picking.

Just listen to Alec Baldwin from The Departed for a clue on unobtainium's actual importance in the plot:

"Our target: microprocessors. Yes, those. I don't know what they are, you don't know what they are, who gives a fuck."
 
Count Dookkake said:
I would also have accepted MacGuffinium.

It's just a pure MacGuffin. Ribisi says right at the beginning of the film that "unobtainium" can be sold for a shit load of money, and that's that. They're greedy corporate fucks. They're playing that archetype within the broad mythogical framework of the story. I don't need to know that unobtainium is the fountain of age or something poignant to make the story work, just that it's expensive. Greedy corporate fucks wanting more money than they already have is a fact of life.
 
So like, I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was preeetty cool. The beginning was cool, and the ending was cool, but the middle felt kind of boring.

For me it sort of went like:
awesome ----->
Dances with Wolves??
-----> awesome

The 3D and special effects were spectacular. The story felt like well threaded territory.

The only real negative point of the movie wasn't the movie itself but this sonofabitch behind me in the theater who kept tapping his feet like he was waiting for some important business meeting.

Overall I'd give this movie a hard, well earned thumbs up. But not a thumbs way up.
 
polyh3dron said:
Whatever. Unobtanium makes perfect logical sense. It's not like Midichlorians.


unobtanium makes even more sense as the name because unless you're the billion dollar RDA corporation who has enough money to travel 5 years back and forth to bring it back to Earth. Its pretty much unobtainable.
 
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