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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Zaptruder said:
Who's willing to predict that Avatar will have a stronger second weekend than it's opening?
I don't think it will be stronger. But I can see a very small drop, perhaps 25% or so.

I think it's going to have a monster run through February.
 
The most impressive 3D scene was
the shot of those octopus looking creature floating towards you before the love scene.
I noticed audiences around me reaching out to the screen. Hell, it made me reach out and want to touch it too. So immersive.

Hmm...I certainly didn't have that experience. I didn't really feel like I could touch anything. :P
 
Zaptruder said:
Who's willing to predict that Avatar will have a stronger second weekend than it's opening?
I say it's likely. Word of mouth on this movie is pretty good and I know a lot of people (myself included) that will be coming back to Imax to see it again.
 
Amazing film, will watch again. Other than Star Trek, it's the only movie I watched this year that lived up to the hype (Inglorious Basterds was such garbage, and I love Tarantino).
 
stuburns said:
Unobtianium was a mistake I think, not the plot but the name. In the scriptment he made it very clear that is not it's 'real' name, it's just what they call it, and it really is a word actually used for mega rare materials, but the amount of people who know that are very few, most people are just going to come away thinking it's a stupid name. Kind of the same thing as the mountains, the film makes no effort to tell the audience why they do what they do, but he wrote a perfectly fine scientific explanation for it.


I agree, there where many things left out of the film that I think would have explained things better. But at the same time I can completely understand that Cameron needs to dumb down the scientific nerdy aspects of the film(well not dumb down but not give focus to it) to give it a broader appeal. But I think it was handled poorly, especially all of the poorly glossed over exposition to explain much of the more scifi aspect of the film.
 
Zaptruder said:
Who's willing to predict that Avatar will have a stronger second weekend than it's opening?

Not me. It's going to have at least a 70 million opening weekend, and next week has 5 new wide releases. For it to actually increase would be ridiculous. I don't believe a single film that has opened at over 45 million has ever increased on its second weekend.
 
chubigans said:
After watching Avatar, I am ready for 3D gaming and TV now. As long as it's RealD. :D

Yea, Pandora reminded me so much of Final Fantasy dream forests that I was imagining exploring them in 3-d next gen!
 
DMczaf said:
They have Avatar for that theater on the map. Why not use the RealD logo next to it like they do for A Christmas Carol on that link I gave?

Making things complicated for the sake of complication.
Yeah, my theater did the same thing. "Digital 3D". But since I selected it by using that site I knew it was okay.
 
Just saw the movie in 3D, wow... I loved this movie, it's so fucking good. I want to go watch it again and will buy the BluRay day one. Sucks I can't watch it in 3D in my own home =(
 
Anyone know how big a difference it makes where you sit in front of the screen, horizontally-speaking when it comes to the 3D? My friends and I were at the left edge, rather than the center, and I'm wondering how big a part that played. I definitely felt some funkiness at times with getting my eyes to adjust - my left side seemed to get oddly blurry or out-of-focus occasionally.
 
Zeliard said:
Anyone know how big a difference it makes where you sit in front of the screen, horizontally-speaking when it comes to the 3D? My friends and I were at the left edge, rather than the center, and I'm wondering how big a part that played. I definitely felt some funkiness at times with getting my eyes to adjust - my left side seemed to get oddly blurry or out-of-focus occasionally.
Back center is the best way to go imo. Took me maybe 5-10 mins to completely adjust and after that I kept questioning myself like am I supposed to be this comfortable with it? Should I have adjusted that fast? I kept watching the movie in 3D and kept constantly trying to analyze shit in my head regarding the 3D and the flow of it. For me it was almost like I had watched dozens of 3d movies and was totally comfortable with it for some reason. Felt kinda weird at first hahaha.

I don't even know if I answered your questions, but good stuff. Good stuff.
 
:lol

Well I want to catch it again in a real IMAX. I could easily tell in the LieMAX showing what a huge screen size could do for immersion in a movie like this.

And it's a shame that 3D is still at the stage where it dims the picture. A couple of times during the Pandora night scenes I took my glasses off for a second, and the color vibrancy was simply a sight to behold, but the picture becomes desaturated quite a bit when you put the glasses back on.
 
^^You speak the truth, good sir. I can't wait for the day where we'll get crystal clear, vibrantly amazing unparalleled 3D either. But in the meantime, we make progress one step at a time I guess. I say fuck it and Navi leap it though.
 
deathsight580 said:
Just saw the movie in 3D, wow... I loved this movie, it's so fucking good. I want to go watch it again and will buy the BluRay day one. Sucks I can't watch it in 3D in my own home =(

The home release will probably have some kind of 3D version with glasses.
 
Did you people really feel like you reach out and grab shit coming out of the screen? I didn't have that experience at any point during Avatar.
 
jett said:
I just realized something. Robert Zemeckis must be feeling all kinds of worthless now. The facial animation on his movies look decades behind compared to Avatar. :lol
The fucker deserves it, went from Back To The Future to shit.
 
jett said:
Did you people really feel like you reach out and grab shit coming out of the screen? I didn't have that experience at any point during Avatar.

Not really, though it was pretty close during the
Tree of Whispers/Love Scene
.

For reference, I saw this movie in (true) IMAX 3D.
 
jett said:
Did you people really feel like you reach out and grab shit coming out of the screen? I didn't have that experience at any point during Avatar.

They didn't seem to do much of the "coming towards the screen at you" effect. Usually only with certain things like the bugs and the flying jellyfish, and the computer terminals towards the start. Some of the particle effects as well, like dust and fire. Kinda wish there'd been a little more of that, actually. Those scenes were pretty striking and different from the usual way they get the 3D effect to really pop out in movies (like by throwing an object at the audience).

Overall, though, I really like the way 3D was used in Avatar. The way it added a subtle yet significant sense of depth to every object and character on the screen was awesome.
 
DoctorWho said:
Five hours and 30 minutes until I see this!!! IMAX 3D can't wait.

I'm curious, has anyone one NeoGaf actually seen it in 2D?


I have. Haven't seen it in 3D. It seems like everyone is much more gushing at it in 3D, so it makes me curious as to whether it just lives and dies on 3D.

It's a solid movie with amazing effects, but not mind-blowing, landmark cinema. It is for the sake of the effects, and maybe even as a theatre experience, but as movie, it's 'just' pretty good.
 
jett said:
Did you people really feel like you reach out and grab shit coming out of the screen? I didn't have that experience at any point during Avatar.

A couple of times, yes.

Cameron didn't really go for that too much though, thankfully.
 
So I was thinking about the sequel (should it be greenlit) and wondering about the human involvement.

Given that it takes 12 years for the ISV Venture Star to make a round trip between Earth and Pandora, that would mean there'd have to be a serious time skip in order to bring humanity back (outside of the chosen from the science team that stayed on Pandora) into the plot. I wonder if that's too big of a time jump between films. Unless Cameron comes up with a means for faster travel between the planets. But even then it'd take 6 years for the ship to at least return to Earth for news to be relayed about what occurred. Though there was no info given in the film about how communication between planets worked out.

I suppose that they could also just do a sequel without outside human involvement. All the characters are set up and there's probably a lot of Pandora that is to explore, especially underneath the surface I'd imagine.

In any case, I'll definitely be interested to see what Cameron comes up with, given that he's already stated he has ideas and even took out parts from the first movie's original script to be potentially used for them.
 
Neytiri in particular was a revelation. Cameron just took an 800-lb dump on Zemeckis' dead-eyed animatronic corpse puppets. That was a real living being, wholly realized and alive. It had a soul. Amazing.
 
Combine said:
So I was thinking about the sequel (should it be greenlit) and wondering about the human involvement.

Given that it takes 12 years for the ISV Venture Star to make a round trip between Earth and Pandora, that would mean there'd have to be a serious time skip in order to bring humanity back (outside of the chosen from the science team that stayed on Pandora) into the plot. I wonder if that's too big of a time jump between films. Unless Cameron comes up with a means for faster travel between the planets. But even then it'd take 6 years for the ship to at least return to Earth for news to be relayed about what occurred. Though there was no info given in the film about how communication between planets worked out.

I suppose that they could also just do a sequel without outside human involvement. All the characters are set up and there's probably a lot of Pandora that is to explore, especially underneath the surface I'd imagine.

In any case, I'll definitely be interested to see what Cameron comes up with, given that he's already stated he has ideas and even took out parts from the first movie's original script to be potentially used for them.

I guess earth sents ships on a set plan, so the ships that already left in the six years before the movie happened, would still arrive. Maybe it would be interesting to see them arriving when the Na'vi have won and humans are forced away.
 
DoctorWho said:
Five hours and 30 minutes until I see this!!! IMAX 3D can't wait.

I'm curious, has anyone one NeoGaf actually seen it in 2D?

I saw it in 2D yesterday, thought that the movie was really good, and enjoyed it.

Only gripe that I had was that the story was in no way original.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Neytiri in particular was a revelation. Cameron just took an 800-lb dump on Zemeckis' dead-eyed animatronic corpse puppets. That was a real living being, wholly realized and alive. It had a soul. Amazing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Neytiri in particular was a revelation. Cameron just took an 800-lb dump on Zemeckis' dead-eyed animatronic corpse puppets. That was a real living being, wholly realized and alive. It had a soul. Amazing.

Agreed. The one thing I take out of Avatar more than anything else is Neytiri - Zoe Saldana's emotional performance and the amazing way they brought the character to life through CGI.

That scene where she's
cradling and kissing human Jake
?

My fucking god. It was unbelievably seamless. Her facial expressions, incredible. I didn't feel the single slightest hint of an uncanny valley. It really was remarkable. I can't possibly say enough about it.
 
hermit7 said:
I saw it in 2D yesterday, thought that the movie was really good, and enjoyed it.

Only gripe that I had was that the story was in no way original.

Originality is not a prerequisite for a good film for me, but I guess it depends on how it's 'meant' to be. Avatar was never touting to be wholly original. Few films do.

For me, an important aspect for a film is that it just be entertaining, and there are many ways to do that. A good sense of story telling is important too. I found Avatar a little bit confusing as it didn't set up the 'rules' of the avatars all that well.
 
Zeliard said:
That scene where she's
cradling and kissing human Jake
Truth. That entire scene
from the moment she enters the trailer
was just so perfect. I couldn't believe they managed to get all the interactions down perfectly, again considering she's all CGI. I said "wow" on the inside. :D
 
I just saw it, thought it was really fantastic. Saw it in Real3D, amazing I almost can't imagine not seeing it in 3D. The story was not original, but it was very well executed and the acting was great. Probably will see it again, maybe in IMAX.
 
Combine said:
Truth. That entire scene
from the moment she enters the trailer
was just so perfect. I couldn't believe they managed to get all the interactions down perfectly, again considering she's all CGI. I said "wow" on the inside. :D

I wasn't convinced by that scene, but to be honest, I was so looking hard at the CGI at that point, and not really concentrating on the film.

Anyway, just wondering if they CGed Sam Worthington's skinny legs.
 
Combine said:
Truth. That entire scene
from the moment she enters the trailer
was just so perfect. I couldn't believe they managed to get all the interactions down perfectly, again considering she's all CGI. I said "wow" on the inside. :D

I wish there had been more
human-Na'vi interactions
like in that scene, but I imagine they must have been exceptionally difficult/expensive to create.
 
Combine said:
Truth. That entire scene
from the moment she enters the trailer
was just so perfect. I couldn't believe they managed to get all the interactions down perfectly, again considering she's all CGI. I said "wow" on the inside. :D

So true. I was literally scared of how realistic it looked. There was not a single hint of CGI. It was just amazing.
 
I'd be interested in a sequel dealing further with Na'vi culture: music, art, family life, stuff like that. It would actually be quite cool to me if he worked with an ethnomusicologist and tried to develop a music system entirely separate the one that we have established.
 
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