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DieNgamers said:
that is actually a great interview. thanks.
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JasonMCG said:
Joe said:
well.. according to people.. RealD and IMAX 3D are pretty close to each other, but Digital 3D is supposed to be the worst one.
McNei1y said:
1. Whatsherface taught them in her school
2. He was wearing human clothes which looked ridiculous, and he spoke English as a first language
3. We can only breathe if oxygen/co2 is at the perfect level, doubtful any other planet naturally has that same balance you dig
4. He's sleeping in the contraption. Think of it as 'dreaming' when hes in his avatar form, you dig
5. Seems like that yeah, but with some element of supernatural god-like omniscience to it as well
2. He was wearing human clothes which looked ridiculous, and he spoke English as a first language
3. We can only breathe if oxygen/co2 is at the perfect level, doubtful any other planet naturally has that same balance you dig
4. He's sleeping in the contraption. Think of it as 'dreaming' when hes in his avatar form, you dig
5. Seems like that yeah, but with some element of supernatural god-like omniscience to it as well
McNei1y said:
- They learned English from the humans. Grace and others taught them.
- Yes, the atmosphere is poisonous to humans.
- They don't sleep when in the Avatar, only out of it. When they aren't in the Avatar, the Avatar is just dead-weight.
- Possibly, all life was connected through a biological/chemical internet.
- Yes, the atmosphere is poisonous to humans.
- They don't sleep when in the Avatar, only out of it. When they aren't in the Avatar, the Avatar is just dead-weight.
- Possibly, all life was connected through a biological/chemical internet.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Movie was pretty well put together. The editing and pacing were the best part - everything flowed together, one scene into the next, very well. Acting was good & well, action was sharp. Story was basic, but atleast it wasn't weighted down by any bullshit subplots. I wasn't blown away by the visuals really, but I'll say I was immersed, not much flaw at all in the CG. 3d at some nice depth, but I'm on the fence as to how critical it was to the viewing experience. I think it allows the humans to blend with the cg a lot better than 2d would've, but that's all I can say for now. Jake narration isn't as poor as Sarah Connor's in T2 and for the most part didn't overstate any scenes. It fit well into the film.
About the actually story and such, though, I dunno. I can't say I was really engrossed in that aspect until the 3rd act. They say the Na'vi are incredibly dangerous to humans, but you don't really see it. They talk about it a lot, they show you Quaritch's scars, but for a long ass time, you don't see any real danger posed by these natives, and it doesn't help
. Same goes for the Na'Vi Zoe Saldana was supposed to marry - he's all like "I'm a great warrior!"
And the same goes for the Na'Vi - this environment is supposed to be very dangerous and while I expect that they know how to navigate it, I didn't expect them to all universally excel at not dying
. What I mean is, we see Jake clumsily make his way through training, but I never really feel danger or death is that close - the movie could've benefited from a redshirt Na'Vi here or there, to show some real consequences for Jake fucking up. I understand we're not gonna kill Jake before the big 3rd act here, but he's apparently stumbling through training half assed as fuck with not a whole lot of consequence - if we can't kill/injure him, I would've liked to see atleast someone else feel the impact of fucking up time & time again. Finally, it was a little weird how they never really brought up
was never really clear either. I may have missed something in the film on that last point, tho. And Michelle Rodriguez's character was kind of underwritten and was the biggest tool for the story out of all the characters.
I also felt the film could've explored the concepts of the blurring of the two worlds a lot more. You got Jake in his Avatar and you got Quaritch in his Mech suit and no one really sees the irony of that? Also, when the hell did Jake sleep? I could never figure that out. Was his body resting while he was in the Avatar and vice versa? We saw him fall asleep once, but that's about it. How does he make time for living in both worlds? That's about as nitpicky as I'll get about the movie right there.
I enjoyed it, yes. I wasn't awed and didn't really feel like this was a massive leap forward for film or anything like that. But it was a good time at the movies, for sure. I give it about an 8/10.
About the actually story and such, though, I dunno. I can't say I was really engrossed in that aspect until the 3rd act. They say the Na'vi are incredibly dangerous to humans, but you don't really see it. They talk about it a lot, they show you Quaritch's scars, but for a long ass time, you don't see any real danger posed by these natives, and it doesn't help
they get their asses whooped in the first showdown
and in less than 3 months, Jake hands his ass to him in a fistfight.
(with the exception of one burial, no Na'Vi get killed or even hurt in this highly dangerous enviroment for 2/3 of the movie)
the other tribes until they needed them to fight - their differences (outside of the animals they used and why they couldn't all just have lived by the tree of life) weren't really explained, and the time span Jake had to get them all together for the fight and how far across the planet he had to go
I also felt the film could've explored the concepts of the blurring of the two worlds a lot more. You got Jake in his Avatar and you got Quaritch in his Mech suit and no one really sees the irony of that? Also, when the hell did Jake sleep? I could never figure that out. Was his body resting while he was in the Avatar and vice versa? We saw him fall asleep once, but that's about it. How does he make time for living in both worlds? That's about as nitpicky as I'll get about the movie right there.
I enjoyed it, yes. I wasn't awed and didn't really feel like this was a massive leap forward for film or anything like that. But it was a good time at the movies, for sure. I give it about an 8/10.
I did and plenty of times.jett said:
I'm not in that "mainstream" group either so I'm not just being a dumb guy who's impressed by any/everything tech related. But there were TONS of times where I thought I could actually touch something. The scenes with all the holograms and the jungle parts were what stood out the most for me. Oh and the action scenes at the end. A couple of times I actually jumped because my mind got tricked for a second. Then again, I covered the sides of my face where the glasses werent covering so I could be fully engulfed and not see the ppl sitting next to me.
There were times where ppl would cross out in front and it seemed like they were inside the movie. It didnt look like they were walking in front of the effect. They genuinely seemed to be in 1 of the many depth layers, which was cool and surprising.
I dont see how anybody could think the 3D effect is subtle. Maybe it is compared to other 3D movies but there's sooooo much depth to the scenes.
I went to iMAX 3D btw (the regal in buford/lawrenceville, GA) Which is a TRUE IMAX.
Twilight Princess
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are you kidding me? they are huge...extremely uncomfortable for someone who doesn't wear glasses. almost as bad as my snowboard goggles. i took my glasses off for a couple of minutes during the film, the colours were so vibrant that i almost didn't want to put them back on...T Dawg said:
T Dawg said:
Thanks for answering. I forgot about #2. The film was excellent just made me forget things that happened already
Like I forgot that the big ass rhino things existed and it was perfect way to bring them back in to kick ass
and to #4, must be one hell of a long life than. Just 'living' constantly. Hes basically living 2 lives. Id think the mind would go crazy or something.
Twilight Princess said:
It's not about the cool factor. The 3D image was so much richer than 2D. The visuals actually come to life in 3D in a way 2D can't do. Before Avatar I thought 3D was a gimmick so you can blow smoke or poke objects at a cinema audience. I never thought it would make the visuals so much more real.
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Twilight Princess said:
uh. and shit should have been blurry.
maybe it was your theater's projector, but at mine, the colors were incredibly vibrant.
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Saw it last night. It was generic and cliched, but still one of the most awesome movie experiences nonetheless. Can't wait to pick up the BD as that is my preferred method of watching big action flicks now (bigass 2k image = yuck). They did an OK job of explaining the levitating mountains, but not how they had waterfalls. The individual pieces were way too small to be collecting enough humidity to be dumping that amount of water.
Right before the film started someone's phone starting ringing the MGS codec call, and then I heard someone shout out "Snaaaaaaaake!" At first I thought it was my phone :lol. I think that has happened to me once before in a theater.
Also, the preview for the Hubble 3D IMAX film with the
theme had me blow a load.
Right before the film started someone's phone starting ringing the MGS codec call, and then I heard someone shout out "Snaaaaaaaake!" At first I thought it was my phone :lol. I think that has happened to me once before in a theater.
Also, the preview for the Hubble 3D IMAX film with the
Kaneda's Death from Sunshine
McNei1y said:
See, I thought that moment was the cheesiest thing in the whole film. I've seen it done many many times before, I guess, and the way it was done in this film was too overblown.
It wasn't horribly cheesy - it was still fun and I still thought it was cool - but just that, with the grand music and all, it was all a bit too proud of itself.
The film is no Terminator 2, but it is brilliant.
The way Pandora looks like it's lit by those neon LEDs in hte ground is cool as - especially the billie jean effect when they walk on the ground.
McNei1y said:
The idea is that Grace has studied their culture for a long time, and that they have integrated to an extent in teaching some of them English, and presumably our culture. Early contact stuff.
Jake's Avatar body is also a fusion of his own (or his twin's rather) DNA. That's why they appear physically different. The Human/Na'vi hybrid has 5 fingers and toes, for example, whereas the Na've only have 4.
Jake's Avatar body is also a fusion of his own (or his twin's rather) DNA. That's why they appear physically different. The Human/Na'vi hybrid has 5 fingers and toes, for example, whereas the Na've only have 4.
But yeah, a lot of stuff is left for you to observe, which is fine for subtle things, but I still think the 'rules' of the avatar program needed to be put right up front. Things like what happens when they go unconscious, lay out what was happening day to day a little more fluidly, and what happens if they die (either body). For all we know, if the original body dies, they continue in the avatar -
obviously this is not the case by the end, and they require a process to do so,
I do very much like the parallel in the end battle
with the Colonel piloting the mech and Jake 'piloting' the Na'vi body.
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they look exactly like theseT Dawg said:
http://stylescenes.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/18/talent_with_imax_3d_glasses.jpg
freakiing HUGE
it is more real, but a different kind of real than real "real" and it takes time getting used to. i wouldn't mind it as much if the colours weren't so dull compared to with glasses off.ymmv said:
I think a lot of ppl are missing out on the 3D effect because of poor theaters.
There were only about 5 scenes where there werent DOZENS of layers of depth. A lot of people just arent seeing this movie right or something because the 3D @ my imax was apparent for 90% of the movie. The whole movie, I was like HOLY SHIT that looks amazing...so much so that it was kind of a distraction until the 2nd half of the movie where I was really engulfed into the movie.
There has to be some sort of disconnect here.
There were only about 5 scenes where there werent DOZENS of layers of depth. A lot of people just arent seeing this movie right or something because the 3D @ my imax was apparent for 90% of the movie. The whole movie, I was like HOLY SHIT that looks amazing...so much so that it was kind of a distraction until the 2nd half of the movie where I was really engulfed into the movie.
There has to be some sort of disconnect here.
I didnt have those glasses. My iMAX had some yellow trimmed glasses which were uncomfortable every now and again (when I thought about it). Also, the 3D effect was real "real" to me.Twilight Princess said:
MightyHedgehog
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Great, great epic movie...the most complete big budget release in decades. I hope that Cameron is rewarded with the ability to finish out the rest of it.
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I felt like the movie kind of hid the fact that dying in your avatar didn't really do anything to your actual body, so you could feel more tension during the middle training/action scenes. I thought that was kind of cheap, but eh, could've been worse.mrkgoo said:
After seeing it, I'm kind of surprised so many people instantly want to see it again. I enjoyed it, but eh, no big rush to ever see it again.
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No, the glasses are so big so that they can fit over prescription glasses.T Dawg said:
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DieNgamers said:
One other thing I love about Cameron outside of his movies are his non BS answers
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45 minutes till it starts!
45 minutes till it starts!
FleckSplat
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I liked the the references to
"preemptive war" and the Iraq parallels, then later in the movie when the Great Tree dies, the ash in the air was reminiscent of 9/11. The fact that the Iraq parallels led to another 9/11 type event shows that the cycle of war never stops.
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Yeah, I enjoyed the film too, but not falling over myself over it. Regardless, I still want to see it again soon. One is to experience it in 3D, two, I love seeing crazy movies do well (I always like hearing the box office go nuts, for whatever reason, regardless of the film), and three, I just like the theatre communal experience - so Iw ant to go soon while the excitement is there.
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Just came back from a 3D IMAX. Im pretty sure it was the fake IMAX, but it was still really enjoyable.
Pandora is so fucking beautiful, that I have no problem calling it my favorite environment/supporting character in any piece of entertainment. Its like Aion and the island in King Kong had a baby.
All that aside, I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR THE BLURAY. I neeeeed to see the making of. I am incredible interested in seeing every fucking aspect of how this was put together. Also, Please tell me Cameron does commentary?!!!!?
Pandora is so fucking beautiful, that I have no problem calling it my favorite environment/supporting character in any piece of entertainment. Its like Aion and the island in King Kong had a baby.
All that aside, I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR THE BLURAY. I neeeeed to see the making of. I am incredible interested in seeing every fucking aspect of how this was put together. Also, Please tell me Cameron does commentary?!!!!?
You know, one of my favorite scenes in the film was actually when
Jake and Quaritch were having their conversation in the empty galley. Quaritch is pretty much giving Jake a hearty congratulations for a job well done, and he emphasizes it by telling him he really will be getting his legs back. And even though Jake is trying to hide things, you can tell from his face he's only thinking "big deal". That even if he did get his legs back, the life he'd have would be nothing comparable to the one he's experienced as an Avatar (especially with his love of Neytiri). I thought it was a very poignant moment.
DieNgamers
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The Abyss. He probably has had a time machine in his basement for quite some time now. That would explain many other things as well..DeathNote said:
Riskbreaker23
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i saw it last night. even though the ending was very predictable, i thought i was a good movie. prabably one of the better implementations of 3d ive seen. my theater has dobly 3d not sure if that makes a difference.
hopefully this makes enough money i not be considered a financial failure.
hopefully this makes enough money i not be considered a financial failure.
CassidyIzABeast
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Combine said:
you could tell by the look on Quaritch's face he knew Jake was getting too attached after he declined to leave
BattleMonkey
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The plot was nothing amazing but like all Cameron's movies it's just how well it's all put together that it's just a good movie, nothing bad about his flicks usually. The only negative thing I could think is really towards the marketing/trailers which pretty much spell out the entire film for you step by step. There was almost no surprise at all in the film because it was pretty much all outlined in the trailers.
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As stupid as it sounds, i almost teared up
Anyway, I never stopped being surprised at how tall Navi are. Every time you see and arrow hit a merc, im like "holy shit! thats huge!."
at the end when he was giving up his body. I felt so silly and had to remind myself that he wasnt dying. Something about giving that side of him up though was really powerful to me.
And i totally agree about the scene inside the trailer. Amazing animation. Totally sold it.
And i totally agree about the scene inside the trailer. Amazing animation. Totally sold it.
Anyway, I never stopped being surprised at how tall Navi are. Every time you see and arrow hit a merc, im like "holy shit! thats huge!."
SCULLIBUNDO
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Gamer @ Heart said:
I really liked the sense of displaced characterization you get of the Na'vi when you see
the arrows in the side of the tire-treads of the large excavation/bulldozer vehicle at the start as it rolls past Jake.
With regards to point 2, I don't thinkT Dawg said:
it was just his clothes, language and awkwardness, being a human-Na'Vi hybrid they also mentioned they could smell his filth, he was biologically different.
Then there's also the concept of "I see you," which seems like it was deliberately not elaborated on in detail in the film. Seemed to me that their deep connection with the rest of their world and Eywa enabled them to sense (hence "see") into a being to a limited extent from what was shown in the film.
Then there's also the concept of "I see you," which seems like it was deliberately not elaborated on in detail in the film. Seemed to me that their deep connection with the rest of their world and Eywa enabled them to sense (hence "see") into a being to a limited extent from what was shown in the film.
That's true, althoughCassidyIzABeast said:
I'm sure he already knew if he had been reading the logs all the time. Though if he hadn't, I could see how this interaction would lead him to read them anyway
Seriously. I knowGamer @ Heart said:
Quaritch emphasized the arrows being deadly because of the neurotoxin they're tipped in
One thing I wished they had spent some time on was
Jake's thoughts about his brother. Maybe even include it with a conversation with Neytiri (then again there are many things I would have liked him to converse with Neytiri about that didn't happen), but I felt that that particular family connection wasn't explored at all. Jake almost didn't seem to care that he died.
mr_nothin said:
Eh, I've seen 3D movies at different theaters, and despite seeing other people trying to grab shit with their hands I've never felt the need to. None of the 3D scenes in Avatar are IN YO FACE either. I never felt like anything was right in front of me. Then again I watched it in RealD and not a giant IMAX screen, but I doubt it would change my mind. I know the shit I'm watching isn't real.
I was impressed with the 3D work(and it worked just fine) but I was surprised to read here that people did that as I felt Avatar had none of those gimmicks when I watched it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I have a feeling that this overseas numbers for this film are going to be huge. Reading about how its sold out for ages in London etc, and knowing its sold out past Christmas in a few places here gives me hope. I really want this film to rip shit.
As I said, the manager came out on our showing and informed us that hey had never seen such numbers for a 3D showing and wished us well before letting us watch the film.Scullibundo said:
And the demography was very diverse.
Internationally speaking, this thing is gonna be a beast.
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