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Jibril said:
I see avatar winning all of those, except Best Actress. Zoe was damn good, she embodied the most realistic portrayal of an alien for goodness sake. But the academy won't take her. I'll be surprised and filled with joy if they do.
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Didn't Serkis win anything back in the days?
 
GhaleonEB said:
Yup. I can see nominations. But wins are pretty unlikely.

I'd love a best actress nomination. I think had Zoe been live action she'd be under heavy consideration. But I can't see the Academy going there.
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Why exactly won't they go there?
Are we all just admitting that the Academy is just stuck up most of the time.

I haven't watched an Oscar show for years now btw.
 
Jibril said:
Why exactly won't they go there?
Are we all just admitting that the Academy is just stuck up most of the time.

I haven't watched an Oscar show for years now btw.
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The Academy is a fraternity and more importantly, a popularity contest in the Actor categories.

FOR THE MOST PART.
 
Jibril said:
I see avatar winning all of those, except Best Actress. Zoe was damn good, she embodied the most realistic portrayal of an alien for goodness sake. But the academy won't take her. I'll be surprised and filled with joy if they do.

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wtf no best actress nomination?

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Based on merit she probably deserves it, but I wouldn't put much hope in the Academy to reward a motion-captured performance, even one that's done to such an incredibly detailed extent.

I would say a Best Picture nod is a lock, with 10 nominees. Best Director is possible. It'll easily win Visual Effects. Screenplay, no, probably not. :P Best Editing, Best Cinematography, Best Art Direction, Best Sound Design, those noms are pretty much locks. Horner might get a nod for "I Will See You".

Count Dookkake said:
I don't agree that Lang's performance is one note.

There is compassion and some humanity in his early scenes with Jake and the other recruits. Also, he doesn't resort to crazy theatrics when angered or disgusted. He is clearly a villain, but it is not as stereotyped as it could have been.
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Yeah, all of the actors in the movie rise above the script in one way or another. They're all drawn as highly one-dimensional stereotypes but the actors give it a bit more subtlety. As much as they can, anyway.
 
Combine said:
Um, he was
directly responsible for the death of her father and the destruction of her home. She had far more justification to kill him than Jake (although he killed two of his friends
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Nice quoting on my spoiler there. But anyway I meant either Na'vi. The projectiles just weren't satisfying.
 
Zeliard said:
I would say a Best Picture nod is a lock, with 10 nominees. Best Director is possible. It'll easily win Visual Effects. Screenplay, no, probably not. :P Best Editing, Best Cinematography, Best Art Direction, Best Sound Design, those noms are pretty much locks. Horner might get a nod for "I Will See You".
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No, I think that AVATAR will get a lot of noms...it's the winning part I'm not yet sold on.
 
Jibril said:
Why exactly won't they go there?
Are we all just admitting that the Academy is just stuck up most of the time.

I haven't watched an Oscar show for years now btw.
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They'd have to think outside the box for the Avatar nomination. No one has ever received an acting nomination for voice over work. And while Avatar isn't that - we all know that - I just don't see the Academy nominating anything other than purely live action performances. I'd love to be wrong. I think Zoe deserves consideration.
 
If it is nominated for best picture, then it would have to be one of the worst ever years of film. It is a cliched, by the book story with tacky dialogue. Great effects? Yes. Great movie? No. It was laughable at times.

And Oscar worthy acting??? That's as bad as the games journos that said GTAIV had an Oscar worthy story.

EDIT: I forgot about the 10 nominees this year, but even then, no.
 
zoukka said:
Nice quoting on my spoiler there. But anyway I meant either Na'vi. The projectiles just weren't satisfying.
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I thought it was satisfying. The arrows are enormous relative to humans, for one, and Neytiri also had a kickass look of rage on her face when she was priming the bow. I've seen the movie twice, and both times,
Neytiri owning Quaritch
got huge ovations.
 
Dizzan said:
If it is nominated for best picture, then it would have to be one of the worst ever years of film. It is a cliched, by the book story with tacky dialogue. Great effects? Yes. Great movie? No. It was laughable at times.

And Oscar worthy acting??? That's as bad as the games journos that said GTAIV had an Oscar worthy story.
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Jibril said:
I can definitely see Avatar winning best film+ best director+best Special FX.
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IMO, I don't think Oscar is in the cards. Cameron really isn't that well liked iirc (Especially after the whole king of the world thing) which is the reason his movies at least since True Lies get bad buzz. Also Up In the Air is starting to look like the one to beat for some reason.

I think it would be idiotic to ignore it for a nomination considering there are 10 slots. I think he has a strong chance for best director, but no chance for original story even if he is nominated.
 
Dizzan said:
And Oscar worthy acting??? That's as bad as the games journos that said GTAIV had an Oscar worthy story.
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I think for the most part the acting was pretty mediocre, but yeah, I do absolutely think Saldana's performance was oscar worthy. Granted I haven't seen every film this year, of course, but it is the stand out lead female performance to me.

JGS said:
IMO, I don't think Oscar is in the cards. Cameron really isn't that well liked iirc (Especially after the whole king of the world thing) which is the reason his movies at least since True Lies get bad buzz.
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He was the 'king of the world' with his last film, he hasn't had a chance to be ignored by the academy yet.
 
JGS said:
IMO, I don't think Oscar is in the cards. Cameron really isn't that well liked iirc (Especially after the whole king of the world thing) which is the reason his movies at least since True Lies get bad buzz. Also Up In the Air is starting to look like the one to beat for some reason.

I think it would be idiotic to ignore it for a nomination considering there are 10 slots. I think he has a strong chance for best director, but no chance for original story even if he is nominated.
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Your timing is off.
 
Count Dookkake said:
-giant robots
-wizards with laser swords
-trench coat wearing wire-fu flesh batteries
-English kids playing with wands
-etc
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I suppose an argument around that is that all those things were still portrayed by human actors. This is the first time where you have a story outside of a Disney cartoon (or other type of animated feature) that's focused on non-human (although humanoid) looking characters in a major motion picture
 
Dizzan said:
If it is nominated for best picture, then it would have to be one of the worst ever years of film. It is a cliched, by the book story with tacky dialogue. Great effects? Yes. Great movie? No. It was laughable at times.

And Oscar worthy acting??? That's as bad as the games journos that said GTAIV had an Oscar worthy story.

EDIT: I forgot about the 10 nominees this year, but even then, no.
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A voice of reason.
 
Forgot the acting. I think Zoe would be a strong nominee if there were not a bias against voiceover work. I know this wasn't but that's not what the academy thinks.

As good as she was, she was not as good as Serkis was playing dual identity Gollum and he didn't get a nod either so I think it's a long shot. They are keeping those fields at 5 still aren't they? If they expanded those too, then she should be nominated
 
JGS said:
IMO, I don't think Oscar is in the cards. Cameron really isn't that well liked iirc (Especially after the whole king of the world thing) which is the reason his movies at least since True Lies get bad buzz. Also Up In the Air is starting to look like the one to beat for some reason.
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It's damn fucking good, would be the reason. :P

Although, I do have to say, I watched Up In the Air the same night as Avatar, and the latter has dominated my thoughts to a far greater extent since then.

Having said that, if Clooney wins Best Actor, it'll be deserving. He was phenomenal in the role, and I'm no huge Clooney fan. /OT

Dizzan said:
EDIT: I forgot about the 10 nominees this year, but even then, no.
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What are the 10 movies more deserving of a Best Pic nod?

TacticalFox88 said:
If Avatar surpassed 100 million Domestically he'd have to use an avatar of the users choice for a YEAR. If he changed it, he would be subject to a ban.
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If it passed 100 mill domestically AT ALL?
 
JGS said:
IMO, I don't think Oscar is in the cards. Cameron really isn't that well liked iirc (Especially after the whole king of the world thing) which is the reason his movies at least since True Lies get bad buzz. Also Up In the Air is starting to look like the one to beat for some reason.

I think it would be idiotic to ignore it for a nomination considering there are 10 slots. I think he has a strong chance for best director, but no chance for original story even if he is nominated.
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Good thing True Lies in 1994 got bad flack for comments Cameron said 3 years later in 1997.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If Avatar surpassed 100 million Domestically he'd have to use an avatar of the users choice for a YEAR. If he changed it, he would be subject to a ban.
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What is the avatar? It should just be the word 'twat' with an arrow pointing at his username. Something nice and simple.

zoukka said:
Well if Serkis didn't win anything with Gollum, then it's prety clear how it's going to be this time :/
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I disagree, it's totally different. Gollum is as much, if not more the animators than Serkis, this is completely the actor, with the exception of the ears pretty much.
 
Combine said:
I suppose an argument around that is that all those things were still portrayed by human actors. This is the first time where you have a story outside of a Disney cartoon (or other type of animated feature) that's focused on non-human (although humanoid) looking characters in a major motion picture
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That's a good point, except for The Dark Crystal.

TacticalFox88 said:
If Avatar surpassed 100 million Domestically he'd have to use an avatar of the users choice for a YEAR. If he changed it, he would be subject to a ban.
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His avatar should be
twice-impaled Quaritch.
 
Yeah I'm pretty much the biggest Biehn fanboy there is and I'm glad he didn't play Quaritch.

I want Biehn somewhere in Cameron's next movie though.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If Avatar surpassed 100 million Domestically he'd have to use an avatar of the users choice for a YEAR. If he changed it, he would be subject to a ban.
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Really? Find me a link to this and I will ENFORCE it! :lol
 
Zeliard said:
It's damn fucking good, would be the reason. :P

Although, I do have to say, I watched Up In the Air the same night as Avatar, and the latter has dominated my thoughts to a far greater extent since then.

Having said that, if Clooney wins Best Actor, it'll be deserving. He was phenomenal in the role, and I'm no huge Clooney fan. /OT



What are the 10 movies more deserving of a Best Pic nod?



If it passed 100 mill domestically AT ALL?
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Yes AT ALL
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If Avatar surpassed 100 million Domestically he'd have to use an avatar of the users choice for a YEAR. If he changed it, he would be subject to a ban.
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A mod should PM him...

What a coward for completely ignoring this thread since Avatar was getting good reviews... he couldn't go a week without saying how crappy this movie was going to be back when the trailers were released.
 
U K Narayan said:
I don't understand why anyone doubted this film.
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I'm going to use your question as a time to do a little history review. It all started with Titanic. Cameron made the highest grossing movie of all time. People love to hate on what most people love. With Cameron spending a decade to make this film, people were saying that there's a huge chance he's gone and pulled a Lucas. For years, all we hear about the film is just vague descriptions of the feeling of watching from Cameron himself. This was also when the "astronaut on the moon" quote came to be. People took it out of context as they love to do and was outraged that Cameron compared the feeling his movie gave you to the feeling of what the astronaut must have felt on the moon.

Cameron promised no gimmicky shit. Then we get a report from Market Saw(I think) that there's a 12 minute first person scene in the film through the jungles of Pandora. People thought it sounded like gimmicky Zemeckis shit.

The first time Cameron addressed a global audience regarding the film, he gave away the entire plot with a 40 minute snooze fest with no footage shown.

Footage was finally shown at Comic Con and tweets were overwhelmingly positive. But no one knew what anything looked like still. Then toys came out with creature designs that was extremely unnerving. People who saw the preview at Comic Con confirmed that it was indeed what the Na'Vi's looked like.

FOX released a minute long teaser trailer with the only dialog being "This is great". Problem was, everything was quick cut and people thought every design was stupid. Failure was imminent. Comparisons to Delgo was made and the internet had a field day with that one. Hell, even the creators of Delgo jumped on the hate train with their lawsuit against FOX.(unconfirmed)

All of this combine with the fact that people love to watch a train wreck led AVATAR to be hated on by tons of people. I mean like 99% of people on the internet thought it was beyond stupid. Of course, that combine with the fact that people outside the internet thought it was the Last Airbender and was rightfully confused.

Of course all of that is history now that everyone has seen it. Crows have been eaten both on GAF and everywhere else on the internet and printing press.
 
I'm pretty sure the bet was that AVATAR had to make more than 250m domestically.

Anyway, when it does happen, PD should have to wear an avatar with Cameron Crowe in it with the subtitle 'I doubted James Cameron and got served Cameron Crowe'.
 
Scullibundo said:
I'm pretty sure the bet was that AVATAR had to make more than 250m domestically.

Anyway, when it does happen, PD should have to wear an avatar with Cameron Crowe in it with the subtitle 'I doubted James Cameron and got served Cameron Crowe'.
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those of you that have issues with the ending to avatar, should read the article posted in this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=19011371


Just because we humans can’t hear them doesn’t mean plants don’t howl. Some of the compounds that plants generate in response to insect mastication — their feedback, you might say — are volatile chemicals that serve as cries for help. Such airborne alarm calls have been shown to attract both large predatory insects like dragon flies, which delight in caterpillar meat, and tiny parasitic insects, which can infect a caterpillar and destroy it from within.
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Cameron is a genius!
 
TacticalFox88 said:
I want a Mass Effect movie made with this tech.
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After seeing AVATAR and then watching the new ME 2 trailer I thought this exact same thing. Then I started to think how many other movies can (and im sure will) benefit from this tech Cameron has pioneered.
 
Hey guys,

I haven't read through this whole thread, I admit.

I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

I'm not trying to troll here, honestly. The trailer did nothing for me, but I am curious based on the reviews it's been getting. Also, I loved Aliens.

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?
 
Whoompthereitis said:
Hey guys,

I haven't read through this whole thread, I admit.

I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

I'm not trying to troll here, honestly. The trailer did nothing for me, but I am curious based on the reviews it's been getting. Also, I loved Aliens.

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?
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Several people have gladly eaten crow. There will be some left for you.
 
Whoompthereitis said:
Hey guys,

I haven't read through this whole thread, I admit.

I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

I'm not trying to troll here, honestly. The trailer did nothing for me, but I am curious based on the reviews it's been getting. Also, I loved Aliens.

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?
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I definitely wasn't looking forward to the film beforehand and the trailers similarly did nothing for me. That said, I got dragged into seeing what I thought would be a terrible pile of shit and came out pleasantly surprised. Go see it.
 
Originally Posted by Whoompthereitis:
Hey guys,

I haven't read through this whole thread, I admit.

I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

I'm not trying to troll here, honestly. The trailer did nothing for me, but I am curious based on the reviews it's been getting. Also, I loved Aliens.

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?


Several people have gladly eaten crow. There will be some left for you.
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I'm cool with that.

To be fair, I talked no shit about the movie- I was just quietly uninterested.
 
Scullibundo said:
I definitely wasn't looking forward to the film beforehand and the trailers similarly did nothing for me. That said, I got dragged into seeing what I thought would be a terrible pile of shit and came out pleasantly surprised. Go see it.
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:lol
 
Whoompthereitis said:
Hey guys,

I haven't read through this whole thread, I admit.

I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

I'm not trying to troll here, honestly. The trailer did nothing for me, but I am curious based on the reviews it's been getting. Also, I loved Aliens.

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?
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After seeing a trailer I instantly dismissed this as yet another Michael Bay wannabe sci fi smurf flick. Also since I think there is no chance of 3D in ever succeeding as a viable film format, I was expecting something even worse than Battlefield Earth.
Once I saw it however, I was instantly surrounded by greased eunuchs and was promptly given a blow job by Zooey Deschanel.
 
Scullibundo said:
I definitely wasn't looking forward to the film beforehand and the trailers similarly did nothing for me. That said, I got dragged into seeing what I thought would be a terrible pile of shit and came out pleasantly surprised. Go see it.
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Yeah, I totally remember all those passive negative threads you made before the movie came out:

"I'm bored let's talk about how Avatar might suck"

"Confirmed: Avatar's shitty trailer is coming soon"

"Cameron's next movie is about dumb Avatars"

"Official crappy Avatar artwork revealed!"

Among others.

I was really surprised you ended up liking the movie at all. You seemed so down on it. Shocking really.
 
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