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Dabookerman said:
After seeing a trailer I instantly dismissed this as yet another Michael Bay wannabe sci fi smurf flick. Also since I think there is no chance of 3D in ever succeeding as a viable film format, I was expecting something even worse than Battlefield Earth.
Once I saw it however, I was instantly surrounded by greased eunuchs and was promptly given a blow job by Zooey Deschanel.
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Speaking of, I think duckroll was rather down on the movie as well. :D

If a duck eats crow, is that like that some vague form of cannibalism?
 
Ladies and gentlemen, PD's history with Avatar. Crow shall be eaten.
PhoenixDark said:
Opening Weekend: $55 million
Box Office Total: $160 million

Worldwide: $300 million
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PhoenixDark said:
I don't know a single person interested in this film. In fact, every time the trailer/commercial comes on I hear someone laugh about the cartoony characters. There aren't any big name stars in the film either; it's banking entirely on the track record of a director who hasn't done anything in more than a decade. His box office record is not as impressive as people make it out to be.
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PhoenixDark said:
You have numbers for Aliens?

edit: nm

Avatar has a huge budget, and as such is more comparable to T2 and True Lies. True Lies didn't do particularly well, and T2 was a hit but it was also a pretty hyped film. I don't see that with Avatar. It's not going to do well
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Scullibundo said:
Yeah I'm pretty much the biggest Biehn fanboy there is and I'm glad he didn't play Quaritch.

I want Biehn somewhere in Cameron's next movie though.
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Biehn, performance captured and made 20+ years younger. Make it happen Cameron!
 
Whoompthereitis said:
I just have one question: Is there anyone who had practically no interest in the movie based on the trailer, saw it anyways, and is now a total convert?

For anyone who was converted, what was the main thing about the film that made you a believer?
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Me.


The movie creates a world you believe in. Pandora is the star of the film and the images and scenes you see will leave a lasting impression on you. It's a visual spectacle, I really encourage anyone that loves movies to go see it. Cameron's pacing is so great that he is able to minimize all the movies flaws. It's not a perfect movie, but it's one that everyone should witness in the theatre.
 
stuburns said:
Wat? Dude is an idiot.
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He was subsequently owned on that comment, a few posts later. To his credit, he admitted it.

I'd also like to gloatingly point out that Avatar is now at $301m WW, before international earnings from yesterday are added.

So Avatar blew through his world wide prediction in five days.

There's being wrong, and there's that.
 
I think once AVATAR's run is finished, a lot of work will have to be done and a new epic thread of crow eating will need to be made. Over the last few years there is a lot of ammo for a huge crow feast.
 
Dan said:
Lang was good at being a towering 100% badass cartoon character, but it's just that.
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Seriously. Out of all the characters, he was actually the most terribly written and one of the worst written of any Cameron film (and that's saying something). The problem the movie has isn't "simplicity" (Simple movies can be great. Most recently, I liked Princess and the Frog.), it's that there is no nuance: it's all really swinging a big club around and hitting the audience over its head, as if people are retards.

And the illustration of this point is his character. In each successive re-watch, he becomes more and more a representation of the movies glaring flaws. He is comical to watch, completely unbelievable as a human or anything. He is less human than the Na'vi. His only purpose is to be the embodiment of the ALL GUNS-NO-TALK foil to the Na'vi way of life, and as a result Cameron breathed absolutely no life into him. He might as well be a wind up doll, screeching out prepared catchphrases to the glee of little fucking children.

I have issues with the rest of the movie, but this character is the one part I would genuinely hope the movie gets a Razzie for. He is so fucking abysmally written that it's borderline offensive.
 
Amir0x said:
Seriously. Out of all the characters, he was actually the most terribly written and one of the worst written of any Cameron film (and that's saying something). The problem the movie has isn't "simplicity" (Simple movies can be great. Most recently, I liked Princess and the Frog.), it's that there is no nuance: it's all really swinging a big club around and hitting the audience over its head, as if people are retards.

And the illustration of this point is his character. In each successive re-watch, he becomes more and more a representation of the movies glaring flaws. He is comical to watch, completely unbelievable as a human or anything. His only purpose is to be the embodiment of the ALL GUNS-NO-TALK foil to the Na'vi way of life, and as a result Cameron breathed absolutely no life into him. He might as well be a wind up doll, screeching out prepared catchphrases to the glee of little fucking children.

I have issues with the rest of the movie, but this character is the one part I would genuinely hope the movie gets a Razzie for. He is so fucking abysmally written that it's borderline offensive.
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:lol
 
Amir0x said:
Seriously. Out of all the characters, he was actually the most terribly written and one of the worst written of any Cameron film (and that's saying something). The problem the movie has isn't "simplicity" (Simple movies can be great. Most recently, I liked Princess and the Frog.), it's that there is no nuance: it's all really swinging a big club around and hitting the audience over its head, as if people are retards.

And the illustration of this point is his character. In each successive re-watch, he becomes more and more a representation of the movies glaring flaws. He is comical to watch, completely unbelievable as a human or anything. He is less human than the Na'vi. His only purpose is to be the embodiment of the ALL GUNS-NO-TALK foil to the Na'vi way of life, and as a result Cameron breathed absolutely no life into him. He might as well be a wind up doll, screeching out prepared catchphrases to the glee of little fucking children.

I have issues with the rest of the movie, but this character is the one part I would genuinely hope the movie gets a Razzie for. He is so fucking abysmally written that it's borderline offensive.
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Ribisi was even worse, IMO. I mean, he didn't have a whole lot to work with, so I don't really blame him, but when Grace explained the importance of the connections in the planet and he just laughed at her like she was trying to debate ethics with a high school jock stereotype, I smh so much. How the fuck did such an incrediblly ignorant prick in everyone's sides get a job with so much unchecked power, jesus.
 
Lang is a tragic character, I think he was one of the best in the movie... his heart was just completely in his own race and his past clearly has scarred himself from really falling in love with anything again.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Ribisi was even worse, IMO. I mean, he didn't have a whole lot to work with, so I don't really blame him, but when Grace explained the importance of the connections in the planet and he just laughed at her like she was trying to debate ethics with a high school jock stereotype, I smh like damn. How the fuck did such an incrediblly ignorant prick in everyone's sides get a job with so much unchecked power, jesus.
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Amir0x said:
Seriously. Out of all the characters, he was actually the most terribly written and one of the worst written of any Cameron film (and that's saying something). The problem the movie has isn't "simplicity" (Simple movies can be great. Most recently, I liked Princess and the Frog.), it's that there is no nuance: it's all really swinging a big club around and hitting the audience over its head, as if people are retards.

And the illustration of this point is his character. In each successive re-watch, he becomes more and more a representation of the movies glaring flaws. He is comical to watch, completely unbelievable as a human or anything. He is less human than the Na'vi. His only purpose is to be the embodiment of the ALL GUNS-NO-TALK foil to the Na'vi way of life, and as a result Cameron breathed absolutely no life into him. He might as well be a wind up doll, screeching out prepared catchphrases to the glee of little fucking children.

I have issues with the rest of the movie, but this character is the one part I would genuinely hope the movie gets a Razzie for. He is so fucking abysmally written that it's borderline offensive.
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Just replace a couple of words and that could apply to any character from the Transformers movie.

Lang was great, love to hate Villain.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Ribisi was even worse, IMO. I mean, he didn't have a whole lot to work with, so I don't really blame him, but when Grace explained the importance of the connections in the planet and he just laughed at her like she was trying to debate ethics with a high school jock stereotype, I smh so much. How the fuck did such an incrediblly ignorant prick in everyone's sides get a job with so much unchecked power, jesus.
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Yeah, I was disappointed, he's rock solid in Lost in Translation. I don't think he's a bad actor at all, just miscast.
 
Zeliard said:
It's damn fucking good, would be the reason. :P
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Sorry, I didn't mean anything by it, just that I don't know much. In fact, I didn't know it was out.

On the Oscar thing and Cameron's chances, timeframes aren't based on the time the movies are released, it has to do with the amount of work that's been done and the influence a person has in Hollywood, something Cameron never lost despite not directing in 12 years. Cameron has been an active player in Hollywood since Titanic.

He's known to be tough, arrogant, egotistical, expensive, direspectful to studios and schedules, insulting, & a maybe bad husband to boot. He just also happens to be a genius that is impossible to ignore. They will factor all of those things in.

Bad buzz is easy to generate especially on projects as big as Cameron's and after the initial photos came out, but you can't maintain it if the project turns out great like Avatar & Titanic & True Lies, which is why his peers love his movies.

However, that in no way means that they are going to out and out to give him another Oscar that he won his last time out. They don't do that with [hardly] anyone, much less someone like Cameron when there are solid reasons to be given why his movie wasn't as good as others out there. He actually does have a shot, but it's a long one and will be based largely on box office.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I am curious what other guys with military experience make of Lang's performance. I thought there was some subtle work going on beneath the shouting.
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The coffee drinking. So badass.
 
Man, I must sound like a broken record but I also thought Ribisi was fantastic. He had a lot of hilarious lines... loved the part when he got annoyed with his computer/map display and was like "here can somebody else do this" -- "jesus mike! not so fast, back, there"

not exact quote but the way he gave it was perfect.

There really wasn't one actor I didn't like in this movie.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Ribisi was even worse, IMO. I mean, he didn't have a whole lot to work with, so I don't really blame him, but when Grace explained the importance of the connections in the planet and he just laughed at her like she was trying to debate ethics with a high school jock stereotype, I smh so much. How the fuck did such an incrediblly ignorant prick in everyone's sides get a job with so much unchecked power, jesus.
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oh come on, when someone comes up with a (from his perspective) bullshit explanation for why to stop at JUST the right moment (aka 5s before everything goes to hell) with no prior mentioning of this I would also ask them who their dealer is, the movie made it quite clear* that humans in that future aren't realy religiuos, so a basicly supernatural explanation to everything sounds stupid as fuck

*o.k. maybe not quite clear, that's probably just my wish that by 2150 people stop with the whole religion thingy^^
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
How the fuck did such an incrediblly ignorant prick in everyone's sides get a job with so much unchecked power, jesus.
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I don't know man...working in the corporate world, I'd say this is pretty common :lol
 
Karma Kramer said:
Man, I must sound like a broken record but I also thought Ribisi was fantastic. He had a lot of hilarious lines... loved the part when he got annoyed with his computer/map display and was like "here can somebody else do this" -- "jesus mike! not so fast, back, there"

not exact quote but the way he gave it was perfect.

There really wasn't one actor I didn't like in this movie.
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His best line for me was "did you see that?",
"yes Sir",
"no you didn't, you were looking at the monitor".
 
stuburns said:
His best line for me was "did you see that?",
"yes Sir",
"no you didn't, you were looking at the monitor".
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haha!
That's the one. Had us lol'ing in the theatre.
 
my favorite scene still has to be
the badass colonel taking someones weapon kicking down the airlock and going out by holding his breath to shoot at the people escaping

well second favorite, the favorite is at the end when Jake in his human form and Neytiri meet

do we still need to use spoilers?

I need to watch this movie a second time...
 
Enosh said:
my favorite scene still has to be
the badass colonel taking someones weapon kicking down the airlock and going out by holding his breath to shoot at the people escaping

well second favorite, the favorite is at the end when Jake in his human form and Neytiri meet

do we still need to use spoilers?

I need to watch this movie a second time...
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I guess so, there are still people who haven't seen it posting about it. I haven't spoiler tagged act 1 shit since I saw the film though, pointless.
 
Enosh said:
my favorite scene still has to be
the badass colonel taking someones weapon kicking down the airlock and going out by holding his breath to shoot at the people escaping

do we still need to use spoilers?
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Before I highlighted the text, I was ready to correct you, but it appears that you have chosen...wisely.
 
duckroll said:
The guy he made the bet with has to pick his avatar! If he doesn't change it himself, I'll gladly force it on him. :)
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Nice to have some fire power behind the bet, but I'm sure he'll do it willingly if he looses. Sculli suggested a Cameron Crowe avatar, but I'm open to other suggestions as well. The irony of loosing an avatar bet about the movie AVATAR is just priceless. Perhaps Count Dookkake could work his pun magic with pictures??
 
PrivateWHudson said:
Nice to have some fire power behind the bet, but I'm sure he'll do it willingly if he looses. Sculli suggested a Cameron Crowe avatar, but I'm open to other suggestions as well. The irony of loosing an avatar bet about the movie AVATAR is just priceless. Perhaps Count Dookkake could work his pun magic with pictures??
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I already gave my suggestion, a moment from the film that depicts the moment of supreme hubris and ownage*, but I think the Cameron Crowe one is very funny.

Perhaps, one could figure out what the most offensive bit of Avatar design would be to PD's taste. Like something particularly cute and colorful.

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Quaritch's climactic DP
 
Go for maximum impact.
Give him a rotating .gif of like 6 different ones.

Count, what was your suggestion?
 
Count Dookkake said:
I already gave my suggestion, a moment from the film that depicts the moment of supreme hubris and ownage*, but I think the Cameron Crowe one is very funny.

Perhaps, one could figure out what the most offensive bit of Avatar design would be to PD's taste. Like something particularly cute and colorful.

EDIT- *
Quaritch's climactic DP
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edit: This ^ in an animated .gif with Crowe's head pasted over
Quaritch's
.

I must have missed it...quick moving thread here. Honestly I thought I'd have a little more time to think on it, but 250 is comming up pretty damn fast.
 
Dabookerman said:
Just replace a couple of words and that could apply to any character from the Transformers movie.

Lang was great, love to hate Villain.
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Well Transformers was truly terrible.

Avatar is not anywhere like Transformers. AVATAR has many good aspects about it.

TRANSFORMERS, both of 'em, are just fucking nightmarishly terrible films that don't deserve to be mentioned anywhere near even the worst James Cameron movie. They don't deserve to be mentioned next to the worst Jennifer Lopez movies, including Gigli.
 
Dizzan said:
If it is nominated for best picture, then it would have to be one of the worst ever years of film. It is a cliched, by the book story with tacky dialogue. Great effects? Yes. Great movie? No. It was laughable at times.

And Oscar worthy acting??? That's as bad as the games journos that said GTAIV had an Oscar worthy story.

EDIT: I forgot about the 10 nominees this year, but even then, no.
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Completely agreed. I am reading the gushing love for this movie in this thread and completely don't understand it. The movie was a cliched, cheesy crapfest. It looked great visually, sure, but it was a pretty crappy movie.

I think too many people in this thread have been beguiled enough by the CG and special effects that they have overlooked how lame the actual movie is.

My friends and I walked out of the movie laughing about how bad it was. To come in here and read the glowing love in this thread is baffling. WTF?
 
Amir0x said:
Well Transformers was truly terrible.

Avatar is not anywhere like Transformers. AVATAR has many good aspects about it.

TRANSFORMERS, both of 'em, are just fucking nightmarishly terrible films that don't deserve to be mentioned anywhere near even the worst James Cameron movie. They don't deserve to be mentioned next to the worst Jennifer Lopez movies, including Gigli.
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At least this gives me an idea on what your scale is :lol The way you spoke about Avatar it almost sounded like what I thought about TF2.
 
zoukka said:
Well if Serkis didn't win anything with Gollum, then it's pretty clear how it's going to be this time :/
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Possibly, but it's difficult to compare the two. The "workflow" used to create Gollum's onscreen performance was dramatically different from the one used to create Neytiri's.

Gollum's performance was a team effort. A bunch of animators were needed to massage the relatively crude mo-cap data they were able to collect. The performance was repeatedly tweaked until it looked right. It was essentially mo-cap-assisted hand animation. That's not to say that Serkis didn't give the performance of a lifetime. He probably did. But his performance was not what we saw on the screen. (He gets full credit for the audio, though.)

Neytiri's performance was a lot closer to being "live". A super detailed facial mo-cap system was used, along with a ridiculous number of reference cameras. The real magic was in the software "rig" that they used to convert Saldana's performance directly into the movements "performed" by her in-film, um, avatar. I'm sure there was still a bit of hand tweaking, but Cameron was very clear that he wanted to see the actor's performance, not some (admittedly talented) animator's.

Short version: Gollum was 50% actor, 50% animation team. Neytiri was 90% actress, 10% animation team. (All numbers pulled from my ass.) It seems like it would be easier to justify giving an acting award to the latter.
 
Jibril said:
This was hilarious. And still is:

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:lol
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Oh man, looking at that gif and thinking back to what DMczaf said earlier about misuse of the technology going forward...we're gonna get a ThunderCats movie using this tech, aren't we?

:|
 
Dabookerman said:
At least this gives me an idea on what your scale is The way you spoke about Avatar it almost sounded like what I thought about TF2.
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fuck no. AVATAR was at least a visually arresting film with amazing action scenes and a mind boggling sense of scale. Its story and script are pretty bad, but even its level of "bad" is nowhere near Transformers 1/2. We're talking galaxies apart.

TRANSFORMERS action scenes were like some seven year old broke into ILM and proceeded to have a seizure while editing.
 
Amir0x said:
Well Transformers was truly terrible.

Avatar is not anywhere like Transformers. AVATAR has many good aspects about it.

TRANSFORMERS, both of 'em, are just fucking nightmarishly terrible films that don't deserve to be mentioned anywhere near even the worst James Cameron movie. They don't deserve to be mentioned next to the worst Jennifer Lopez movies, including Gigli.
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GAF Hyperbole FTW!
 
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