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stuburns said:
No, they're here for the mineral, not the specific deposit under home tree, that's just the one they focus on during the movie and is the richest deposit near the base. They've been mining Pandora for long before the film starts.
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I think due to the visual abundance the film offers, some people forget those GIANT excavation machines from the first act of the film.
 
I seem to remember reading on some forum that the books goe sinto the whole "mine the mountains" thingy

aperantly they tried it and it ended in an epic failure with a lot of people dead
 
stuburns said:
No, they're here for the mineral, not the specific deposit under home tree, that's just the one they focus on during the movie and is the richest deposit near the base. They've been mining Pandora for long before the film starts.
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Yeah, I know they're here for the mineral, but if the negligible amount of unobtainium that makes up the mountains stands in the way of the objective of blowing up the tree of souls, then that is an acceptable loss. Besides, if the mountains are unminable anyway, then they're worthless and blowing them up doesn't matter.
 
I honestly have to wonder how much firepower it would take to blow up mountains.
I would bet that they didn't have enough.
 
Rentahamster said:
Yeah, I know they're here for the mineral, but if the negligible amount of unobtainium that makes up the mountains stands in the way of the objective of blowing up the tree of souls, then that is an acceptable loss. Besides, if the mountains are unminable anyway, then they're worthless and blowing them up doesn't matter.
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Negligible amount? It's $20m a kilo and there are huge floating mountains of it, in no way are they negligible by the logic of the film. As for it they can't be mined, I have no idea, but even if that is the case, doesn't mean it always will be.

They also said tracking is not possible in the flux, and you must fire line of sight.
 
Rentahamster said:
Yeah, I know they're here for the mineral, but if the negligible amount of unobtainium that makes up the mountains stands in the way of the objective of blowing up the tree of souls, then that is an acceptable loss. Besides, if the mountains are unminable anyway, then they're worthless and blowing them up doesn't matter.
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how is an amount sufficient to levitate a mountain "negligible"?

edit: beaten
 
Enosh said:
aperantly they tried it and it ended in an epic failure with a lot of people dead
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If this is true, then the mountains are unminable and are not any more valuable than any other generic obstacle.
 
Rentahamster said:
If this is true, then the mountains are unminable and are not any more valuable than any other generic obstacle.
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They need to take some lessons from west virginia mountaintop coal mining. Blow it all up and then process the rubble baby.
 
Rentahamster said:
If this is true, then the mountains are unminable and are not any more valuable than any other generic obstacle.
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Jesus, why do you have to nitpick every god damn detail? Can't you just accept things and just leave it be? Where's the fun in trying to poke holes in these things?
 
Combine said:
Jesus, why do you have to nitpick every god damn detail? Can't you just accept things and just leave it be? Where's the fun in trying to poke holes in these things?
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You seem overly defensive about the movie, is it hurting your feelings generally that some people are taking the discussion in a direction you don't like, or are you maybe James Cameron in disguise? Because failing those two possibilities, it's a bit baffling why you're so outraged.
 
elrechazao said:
They need to take some lessons from west virginia mountaintop coal mining. Blow it all up and then process the rubble baby.
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The rubble would float too. Masses of tiny chunks just floating all over the fucking place, it'd be a nightmare to traverse.
 
stuburns said:
The rubble would float too. Masses of tiny chunks just floating all over the fucking place, it'd be a nightmare to traverse.
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And tiny chunks wouldn't float in other mining operations? Cut chunks off and haul them to process then, should be easy since they float :D
 
elrechazao said:
And tiny chunks wouldn't float in other mining operations? Cut chunks off and haul them to process then, should be easy since they float :D
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Indeed, to be honest I don't get why they can't mine them, I'd be interested to know. Seems like blow them up, basically get a big fly catcher, grab all that shit. Profit.

Unobtainum only floats in the flux.
 
Rentahamster said:
If this is true, then the mountains are unminable and are not any more valuable than any other generic obstacle.
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see that ship? you see those mountains?:lol

those aren't generic obstacles that they can blow out the sky with a few rockets myfriend
 
Count Dookkake said:
Explosions plus floating stuff equals great chance of losing shit as it escapes orbit.
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I doubt it, the gravity is lower, but it's not so low they'd need to be concerned with the escape velocity being so insanely low that would happen.
 
Combine said:
Jesus, why do you have to nitpick every god damn detail? Can't you just accept things and just leave it be? Where's the fun in trying to poke holes in these things?
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What's the big deal? I do this to every movie I see. Avatar is especially good because it gets so much right where other movies fail hard.
 
elrechazao said:
You seem overly defensive about the movie, is it hurting your feelings generally that some people are taking the discussion in a direction you don't like, or are you maybe James Cameron in disguise? Because failing those two possibilities, it's a bit baffling why you're so outraged.
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You seem to overly enjoy acting this way on the internet. There's a trend I see with a few people on Neogaf. In the balloon boy thread a guy kept playing the devil's advocate and wouldn't let up and admit that the evidence thus far strongly suggested it was a hoax. Him/they debate something over and over and over for days and never give up. Even if their debate is hanging by a string and everyone disagrees. A lot of times it hints at social issues. Do you have any family to be with on Christmas eve?
 
DeathNote said:
You seem to overly enjoy acting this way on the internet. There's a trend I see with a few people on Neogaf. In the balloon boy thread a guy kept playing the devil's advocate and wouldn't let up and admit that the evidence thus far strongly suggested it was a hoax. Him/they debate something over and over and over for days and never give up. Even if their debate is hanging by a string. A lot of times it hints at social issues. Do you have any family to be with on Christmas eve?
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Interestingly enough, both examples involve floating.
 
Rentahamster said:
What's the big deal? I do this to every movie I see. Avatar is especially good because it gets so much right where other movies fail hard.
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*sigh* oh well, guess it's just not something I can understand. Usually I reserve nitpicking for things I utterly despise, like how Naruto is turning out. :P
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
see that ship? you see those mountains?:lol

those aren't generic obstacles that they can blow out the sky with a few rockets myfriend
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If not blow up, then at least impact them with enough energy to overcome the mountains' inertia and move them out of the way.

If they have access to anti-matter energy sources, then they should have enough energy to move mountains. But of course, there could be problems with that plan too.
 
DeathNote said:
You seem to overly enjoy acting this way on the internet. There's a trend I see with a few people on Neogaf. In the balloon boy thread a guy kept playing the devil's advocate and wouldn't let up and admit that the evidence thus far strongly suggested it was a hoax. Him/they debate something over and over and over for days and never give up. Even if their debate is hanging by a string and everyone disagrees. A lot of times it hints at social issues. Do you have any family to be with on Christmas eve?
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:lol

don't you?

anyway, here's a clue about why people are discussing things:

NeoGAF > Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion
 
I don't really get nitpicking with sci-fi at all, it's literally in the genre title, telling you it's not all right. Cameron goes to some insane depths in his work, but there will be faults if you look hard enough, I don't personally care too. However, I know people do love that kind of thing. The Star Trek XI thread was insane with it. I don't see any problem with it.
 
Well, my family has already decided they don't want to see Avatar...based on I don't know what exactly. It really pisses me off. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I guess it's just an awesome experience that I desperately wanted to share with them and the fact that they're ignorant about it just rubs me the wrong way.
 
The floating mountains? Really?

...and some people honestly think they could, or even would, bother blowing them up? I'm sure the US military will use that to their tactical advantage if we ever invade Tibet or something.
 
Giolon said:
Well, my family has already decided they don't want to see Avatar...based on I don't know what exactly. It really pisses me off. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I guess it's just an awesome experience that I desperately wanted to share with them and the fact that they're ignorant about it just rubs me the wrong way.
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chloroform. do it
 
Giolon said:
Well, my family has already decided they don't want to see Avatar...based on I don't know what exactly. It really pisses me off. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I guess it's just an awesome experience that I desperately wanted to share with them and the fact that they're ignorant about it just rubs me the wrong way.
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Just wait a couple years down the line when they eventually see it, call you up and say how good the movie was....
 
Giolon said:
Well, my family has already decided they don't want to see Avatar...based on I don't know what exactly. It really pisses me off. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I guess it's just an awesome experience that I desperately wanted to share with them and the fact that they're ignorant about it just rubs me the wrong way.
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There must be some reason why they don't want to see it. If their reasons stem from the common BS complaints that are on a lot of the conservative blogs out there, there are a lot of counterarguments you could use.

They can't just take your word that it's a good movie?

Epic Tier 3 Engineer said:
The floating mountains? Really?

...and some people honestly think they could, or even would, bother blowing them up? I'm sure the US military will use that to their tactical advantage if we ever invade Tibet or something.
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The US military doesn't have access to anti-matter technology.
 
Rentahamster said:
There must be some reason why they don't want to see it. If their reasons stem from the common BS complaints that are on a lot of the conservative blogs out there, there are a lot of counterarguments you could use.

They can't just take your word that it's a good movie?
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Apparently, they can't. Some reasons I've gotten today:

"The critics say it's only good for the first 90 minutes."
"It's going to make me throw up."
"It looks like a video game."
"I don't want to spend 3 hours of my life in a movie theater." (this from people who've seen everything from Titanic to Lord of the Rings to Pirates of the Carribean at the movies)

And coming from me personally, who know what kind of movies they like, telling them this will knock their socks off...it means nothing to them. I'm just going to have to resign myself to the fact that I will have to remain alone in my family with this. Unless I take up that chloroform idea, lol.
 
Giolon said:
Apparently, they can't. Some reasons I've gotten today:

"The critics say it's only good for the first 90 minutes."
"It's going to make me throw up."
"It looks like a video game."
"I don't want to spend 3 hours of my life in a movie theater." (this from people who've seen everything from Titanic to Lord of the Rings to Pirates of the Carribean at the movies)

And coming from me personally, who know what kind of movies they like, telling them this will knock their socks off...it means nothing to them. I'm just going to have to resign myself to the fact that I will have to remain alone in my family with this. Unless I take up that chloroform idea, lol.
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Do it. Get some friends to help you and you can totally do your own Weekend at Bernie's.
 
Giolon said:
Apparently, they can't. Some reasons I've gotten today:

"The critics say it's only good for the first 90 minutes."
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You could point out that 84% of critics say that it's a good movie. Hell, if they put any kind of worth onto your opinions as a good judge of quality then your word should have extra weight, too.

Giolon said:
"It's going to make me throw up."
"It looks like a video game."
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The vomiting thing is probably apprehension to the 3D, so offer to take them to the 2D show. As for the video game, they most likely have enjoyed movies with visual effects on par, if not worse than, Avatar.

Giolon said:
"I don't want to spend 3 hours of my life in a movie theater." (this from people who've seen everything from Titanic to Lord of the Rings to Pirates of the Carribean at the movies)
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They don't flinch when you throw that counterargument at them? There are highly rated movies that they enjoyed that are just as long as Avatar.
 
Just came back from seeing it in IMAX. Stuff I'm going to say:

-unobtainium? -_-
+great visuals and musical score
-love between Jake and Neytiri wasn't really believeable to me
+alien designs were fantastic
-the 3D was good but blurry (more of a problem of the 3D format in theaters)
+original core idea but at the same time...
-Fern Gully much?
+action scenes (James Cameron is still demigod in this category)

Worth the $17 I paid. Worth the hype? Nah but still a pretty good movie.
 
Scullibundo said:
Lucky those other Na'vi tribes were close. I wonder what is on the other side of the planet.
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Play the game (on a PC). I've been getting my Pandora fix from it (because I'm only gonna watch the movie for the second time tomorrow :D). While the gameplay is no big deal, the world is beautiful.

On another note, I'm SO GLAD I didn't play the game until after seeing the movie because, despite Cameron having said it was pretty safe because they had different stories, what happens at the end of the movie is spoiled 1 or 2 hours into the game, AND the story has lots of parallels with the one in the movie.
 
FirewalkR said:
Play the game (on a PC). I've been getting my Pandora fix from it (because I'm only gonna watch the movie for the second time tomorrow :D). While the gameplay is no big deal, the world is beautiful.

On another note, I'm SO GLAD I didn't play the game until after seeing the movie because, despite Cameron having said it was pretty safe because they had different stories, what happens at the end of the movie is spoiled 1 or 2 hours into the game, AND the story has lots of parallels with the one in the movie.
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Is the game any good gameplay-wise? Movie-game tie-ins are usually crap, but if this one is okay, I might get it just to get more backstory.
 
I'm sitting in the SF IMAX waiting for this to start and I'm not optimitic. I'd probably skip it altogether if other people didn't drag me along, but I guess if I don't enjoy it in 3D there's no way I would enjoy it. hopefully it won't be too painful given that my expectations are so low...
 
One thing the game had that was kind of cool that wasnt in the movie was all the Na'vi armor and their different weapons. Would have been nice to see some dual blade wielding Na'vi covered in armor

Otherwise, make a new game in the mold of Assassin's Creed II and it could be awesome.
 
Rentahamster said:
Is the game any good gameplay-wise? Movie-game tie-ins are usually crap, but if this one is okay, I might get it just to get more backstory.
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It's... how shall I put it... entertaining if you've got nothing better to play. If you have a PC get the demo and give it a try. The game really needed a few more months of development (like, 6 months at least) but these people never learn and churn out crap/average stuff, instead of following Warner with Rocksteady's Batman example.

Regarding the AICN science dude article, I was gonna send him the scriptment because it really explains things better and showed that some of his assumptions were wrong, but in the update he says people already sent it to him. So whoever is interested in some more in-depth info, you know where to get it. (beware of possible spoilers for the sequels) Btw, someone asked me for the script the other day and I dm'd the link. Hope they got it. :)
 
Rentahamster said:
Don't need tracking to carpet bomb.
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Isn't that what they were planning to do with the transporter? Yes, yes it is.

They clearly didn't have access to high-grade offensive weaponry. They had mechs, guns and aircraft clearly they were mostly intended for self-defense. They had to jury rig bombs from industrial explosives. What makes you think they had access to space-based weapons platforms and nukes? :lol :lol :lol I mean, really?
 
Zeliard said:
This is a pretty damn cool read.



That would have been spectacular.
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Nah. The whole point to these stories is that the beauty is always there in front of you and you just need to 'learn to see'. If it were as simple as just seeing it through the physiology of the navi it wouldn't be as spiritual a revelation. Cmon, is that point of the movie lost through the immense positivity?

Anyway finally saw it in 3d. The immediate thing is that you most definitely get a sense of presence. No other movie experience has given me such a sense of 'being there'. That's obvious why.

That said, the movie loses brightness, saturation and detail compared to 2d. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, as everything looksore on par with everything else as opposed to actors looking a little separated from the background.

Knowing what I already did I could sit back and enjoy the ride instead of trying to follow the plot. That said, I'm done with two viewings. Not sure I can sit through a third so soon.
 
Just came back from seeing it with my whole family. The last time we all saw a movie together was Titanic. A lesson I've learned from my time as a videogame reviewer: it's much more fun to experience entertainment the way it was meant to be enjoyed, rather than going into it with a mission to find and point out all the flaws. Avatar definitely succeeded my expectations and enthralled me from start to finish. Round of applause at the end from a packed house in L.A.
 
Aselith said:
Isn't that were planning to do with the transporter? Yes, yes it is.?
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Yeah, just do the same thing from a higher altitude and get the mountains out of the way. Or, just not engage the enemy in an area where one has the tactical disadvantage. Although plot-wise it is a nice way to highlight the antagonist's hubris or the protagonist's cleverness (300, Last Samurai, etc).

Aselith said:
What makes you think they had access to space-based weapons platforms and nukes? :lol :lol :lol I mean, really?
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Step 1: Get one of their space-capable craft.

Step 2: Put bombs on it.
 
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