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I demand that all tv manufacturers cease production of their crap needs-glasses-3dtvs and get on on this autostereoscopic shiznit.
 
DanielPlainview said:
AVATAR has already made $617.3m worldwide in just 10 days.

$617.3 MILLION in 10 DAYS.

Insane, how many people think it could actually topple Titanic now that Holmes has proven not to be a threat and there is only Book of Eli coming up to stand in its way. :D
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Me! At this point I’d say it’s locked in at becoming the second highest grossing movie of all time, and now the ultimate question is if it’ll knock off Titanic to become number one.

And you know what? I really think it has a good chance of finally doing that....as crazy as that may sound. If ever a movie was set up to dethrone Titanic, it’s definitely this one!

So does anyone else think this has a shot at taking over Titanic? Oh and by the way PhoenixDark not only needs to have an avatar swap...but he really must have a tag too! :lol
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
So does anyone else think this has a shot at taking over Titanic? Oh and by the way PhoenixDark not only needs to have an avatar swap...but he really must have a tag too! :lol
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I give it about a 25% shot, on a WW basis. If next weekend is ~$60m, bump that to 50/50.
 
irfan said:
IMO, 5% and if next weekend is 60M then I'd raise it to 10%.
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Well, I can't argue percentages. But if Avatar drops 25% per week starting now, it clears $1.6b easily.

So that's what I'm watching for - any drop less than 25% and it gets more and more likely.
 
Ok just got back from the movie. Amazing visuals, but sorry I thought the movie was boring. The problem is that I didn't care for the pandora race so in the end the story did nothing for me.

James Cameron is an amazing director, but Avatar wont top any favorite movie lists for me.
 
Mind. Blown. I always enjoy environmentalist movies, and Cameron nailed it despite being heavy-handed and dealing with tried-and-true absolutes.

Yeah, whatever. Still the best looking movie I have ever seen and Pandora is the most vividly-imagined world I have ever witnessed.
 
Mr. Pointy said:
Can Avatar do $1 billion US... in domestic BO?
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Let's ask Tsu'tey! How do you feel about this brother?

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My prediction is holding up nicely...

Koodo said:
The box office to me will ultimately depend on the movie's quality. Will it be at least as good as his part work? If so, my predictions are:

Domestic: $340 million
Overseas: $857 million

I don't have anything to back this up other than having lived in a South American country for 15 years, but I honestly see this being a sensation everywhere outside NA.
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... except that the actual domestic gross will probably end up being $100-200 million higher. Oh well, I was closer than others.
 
Blader5489 said:
Tried to see it this afternoon, it was all sold out. I'm going to an 11:30 showing tonight (won't be home until 2:30, ugh)...but holy shit, I have never seen my theater that packed before. It was comparable to the midnight showings of Star Wars or Spider-Man 3 or TDK that I saw. The line was so damn long, for a second I thought I was at Six Flags :lol
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Awesome.

I'm thinking the actuals are quite a bit higher.
 
Guys, while this is totally anecdotal, it should assure you that Avatar will do crazy amazing well: I have a friend in the Peace Corps., who is in a small village in Benin, Africa. He's heard people talking about the movie there. In a completely out of the way village.

In Africa.

THAT is word of mouth, people.
 
So, after a huge week 2, and the Academy's desperation (for a few years now) to give Best Picture to a huge monster hit reaching a climax (ten slots), the astronomical word of mouth, the critical acclaim, etc etc

What kind of shot does Avatar have at Best Picture?
 
I'm surprised to see how hyped the movie is, not in a negative way.
For example, here in Brazil (not capital cities) just a few movies sold out way before the movie started, and westerday I went to see it and I just couldn't! C'mon, the only movie that caused this was New Moon!

And today, finally, I did see it. Hm, what can I say, it's satisfying.
All the things you expect in a movie are there, period.

My next goal is to watch it on a 3D theater, small towns sucks :(
 
gdt5016 said:
So, after a huge week 2, and the Academy's desperation (for a few years now) to give Best Picture to a huge monster hit reaching a climax (ten slots), the astronomical word of mouth, the critical acclaim, etc etc

What kind of shot does Avatar have at Best Picture?
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Up in the Air has Best Picture. But I think it'll take four or five.

Zoe Saldana for Best Actress, yeah, I know I'm alone, we shall see.
 
stuburns said:
Up in the Air has Best Picture. But I think it'll take four or five.

Zoe Saldana for Best Actress, yeah, I know I'm alone, we shall see.
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I still have to see Up In The Air, and a few weeks ago I would have agreed with you.

But Avatar is having a total storm of hype and love.

So we'll see.

Edit: And I'd be SHOCKED if Saldana gets nominated, and she's never going to win.

Edit2: When will we get the nominees? Feb-ish right?
 
GhaleonEB said:
Well, I can't argue percentages. But if Avatar drops 25% per week starting now, it clears $1.6b easily.

So that's what I'm watching for - any drop less than 25% and it gets more and more likely.
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I think it will drop faster (WW).
 
Yeah Saldana will be very lucky to be nominated, let alone win. Not only will it be hard to convince the Academy voters that it is 100% her performance and not some CG creation, but she literally just broke out this year.
 
stuburns said:
Up in the Air has Best Picture. But I think it'll take four or five.

Zoe Saldana for Best Actress, yeah, I know I'm alone, we shall see.
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It'll be sad times if Up in the Air wins that.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Yup. I think the most generous estimate would be it hitting $60 million next weekend. It will drop, but I dont think the drop off will be as huge as other blockbusters. I am guessing $45-$50 next weekend to be safe. Monday numbers will be the most telling of how it is tracking. And hopefully next week there are no blizzards in the northeast.
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Hey, hey! Look who was wrong! Really, something that opened that big only dropping 3% is just insane.

Now, what will the third weekend be? Perhaps I should put $45-$50 for there. Just to be wrong again and have it make $70 again.
 
Read the first 20 or so pages of the '97 scriptment (thanks Sculli) before heading to the theater this morning. I really enjoyed the extra backstory on Jake (Josh lol), Earth, the Hallelujah Mountains, Unobtanium (it was a joke that stuck), etc. And I even made a point to keep an eye out for details Cameron elaborated upon back then, such as the killing field around Hell's Gate (which was there). I'm totally gonna finish reading it before I make my 4th trip to the theater, as I really enjoyed making those observations.

Also picked up the Avatar Movie Scrapbook. Has some really neat art, and info on various aspects of the film's world, creatures, and technology. Though reading it can be a bit weird, since it's written for young children. Totally worth the $8 though. The Artbook will be my next purchase when I get paid on Tuesday.

Anybody here crazy enough to buy that Sideshow Collectibles AMP Suite Maquette? It looks so awesome, but $1000+ makes my bank account have a stroke.
 
Finally saw it:

The Good: Beautiful movie. The 3-D was awesome, way better than Captain EO. They did a great job on all of the effects. The animals and Navi(not sure where the apostrophe goes) were all really impressive. Pandora looked amazing. Most of the performances were pretty good. Zoe Saldana did a great job in her role. Thought she did a better job than Andy Serkis as Gollum. I really appreciated alien Claudette Wyms. Worthington was better than I thought he'd be, although his accent was pretty shaky. Michelle Rodriguez looked extremely fuckable.

The Bad: The story did nothing for me. It was all pretty cliche. They even had the
angry native warrior who at first hates the hero but eventually comes to respect and befriend him
that's in all of these types of movies. James Cameron had the white man goes into another culture playbook and followed it step by step. Bogged down in the story, the characters did nothing for me and didn't particularly care about any of them. Even with the good performances I didn't care for any of them. And who the fuck was this Max guy? Maybe has had one line of dialogue in the whole movie and all of a sudden he's someone Jake can trust. The score is also weak. What happened to James Horner, his ass used to be beautiful. At time the score is decent but at others it sounds kind of like his epicly terrible score for Troy. I don't think the man's had a good score in the past 10 years.

The Ugly: Film was beautiful from top to bottom.

It's a film I certainly don't regret seeing as it was beautiful to look at. But underneath that beauty it was hollow for me. I've seen it, it was great at what it did best, but I don't think I will ever feel a need to see it again. I can't imagine seeing this in 2-D it would be a complete waste. Glad it's doing well as I am a fan of the Cameron and hopefully his next project won't be so far away. I'll gladly see a sequel to this, but like this I'll probably see it only once and move on.
 
Now that I'm not on my PSP I will add a bit more.

It was not very impressive story-wise... or should I say, at all. It was incredibly predictable and boring apart from the spectacle of it all, and I'm not much for spectacles. I was able to feel excited during the action, but I didn't feel an emotional connection to any of the characters because they were so blatantly CG, which BTW made the love scene just awkward. I suspect that seeing it in 3D would help overcome the very fakey feel of everything, but it would not help the horse-beating festival of the plot. Do I have something against Pocahontas? No, in fact my favorite film is The New World, a masterpiece rendition of the tale. Maybe that is part of my problem here, but at least it knew to call itself what it was.

My other issue comes from confusion over what the hell the movie is talking about. At least when you are direct about your Pocahontas basis all the cultural implications are reasonably clear, but when you go to a fantasy land it's harder to figure what it all represents, and when you make all the humans white (I guess progress of racial harmony broke down somewhere in the timeline) and all the aliens are voiced by black actors and the whole world has an obvious African tone to it, you end up seeming possibly racist. Sure, it could be about exploiting resources in Africa at the expense of the people, but what else is tied into that with the rest of the depiction? Which aspects are purely fantasy-land and which are intended parallels? I suppose the vague nature allows them to get off the hook for any accusations, but it is simply creating an environment for racist interpretation, either against blacks or whites depending on how you perceive it.

If it does have something to do with that, then there is obviously some sort of message about the inseparable effects of ecosystem balance and how tribal people seem to be more in harmony with it. If that is the intended message, then it's stupid because ignorance and poverty can't automatically be assumed to be harmony and also because of all that went into producing this extremely technological and expensive movie. So aside from those possible messages, the last and most interesting aspect if the notion of an avatar, but even that is a sci-fi topic that has been explored before and will only continue to become more popular and common as we approach the ability to at least do it via robots.

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Oh, and low-grav seems like a lame excuse for not being able to animate anything realistically.
 
stuburns said:
Okay, a little off-topic, please forgive me. Anyone seen Xenogenesis? Where can you get it legally? I can't find it anywhere.
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I've seen it. :lol

I found it on a website once. It only goes for like 8 or 16 minutes or something. Its really hokey stuff and definitely a product of really pulp science fiction. I actually made a thread about it AGES ago if you want to search my history as I probably provided a link.

Also: preview of the Neytiri bust coming from Sideshow Collectables http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?p=8169
 
Scullibundo said:
I've seen it. :lol

I found it on a website once. It only goes for like 8 or 16 minutes or something. Its really hokey stuff and definitely a product of really pulp science fiction. I actually made a thread about it AGES ago if you want to search my history as I probably provided a link.

Also: preview of the Neytiri bust coming from Sideshow Collectables http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?p=8169
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Okay thanks, I think I'll give that a miss.

Oh, and Neytiri sure is perky in that thing.
 
Dice said:
Now that I'm not on my PSP I will add a bit more.

It was not very impressive story-wise... or should I say, at all. It was incredibly predictable and boring apart from the spectacle of it all, and I'm not much for spectacles. I was able to feel excited during the action, but I didn't feel an emotional connection to any of the characters because they were so blatantly CG, which BTW made the love scene just awkward. I suspect that seeing it in 3D would help overcome the very fakey feel of everything, but it would not help the horse-beating festival of the plot. Do I have something against Pocahontas? No, in fact my favorite film is The New World, a masterpiece rendition of the tale. Maybe that is part of my problem here, but at least it knew to call itself what it was.

My other issue comes from confusion over what the hell the movie is talking about. At least when you are direct about your Pocahontas basis all the cultural implications are reasonably clear, but when you go to a fantasy land it's harder to figure what it all represents, and when you make all the humans white (I guess progress of racial harmony broke down somewhere in the timeline) and all the aliens are voiced by black actors and the whole world has a obvious African tone to it, you end up seeming possibly racist. Sure, it could be about exploiting resources in Africa at the expense of the people, but what else is tied into that with the rest of the depiction? Which aspects are purely fantasy-land and which are intended parallels? I suppose the vague nature allows them to get off the hook for any accusations, but it is simply creating an environment for racist interpretation, either against blacks or whites depending on how you perceive it.

If it does have something to do with that, then there is obviously some sort of message about the inseparable effects of ecosystem balance and how tribal people seem to be more in harmony with it. If that is the intended message, then it's stupid because ignorance and poverty can't automatically be assumed to be harmony and also because of all that went into producing this extremely technological and expensive movie. So aside from those possible messages, the last and most interesting aspect if the notion of an avatar, but even that is a sci-fi topic that has been explored before and will only continue to become more popular and common as we approach the ability to at least do it via robots.
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I think you're reading into it too much. It's white people in a land like Africa doing exactly the same god damn things we've done to Africa for millenia.

Nature is awesome. Human greed is insatiable. The two do not mix well. BAM! Avatar plot. Recently seen in: District 9, Lord of the Rings, <a billion other movies I can't recall right now>, Last of the Mohicans, Dances with Wolves. It's a great concept, but at this point there's only so much you can do with it. White people suck. I think the world knows that by now. And I don't disagree with that point any less, either.
 
Ah...I've been messing with flash for the last two days trying to get it to publish an animated gif, but no luck.

Can someone take this:

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and have [AVATAR] ...won't hit $250 million in the United States. scrolling across the bottom; in Papyrus of course.
 
PrivateWHudson said:
Ah...I've been messing with flash for the last two days trying to get it to publish an animated gif, but no luck.

Can someone take this:

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and have [AVATAR] ...won't hit $250 million in the United States. scrolling across the bottom; in Papyrus of course.
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Somebody needs to do it.
 
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