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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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still an awesome movie
 
GhaleonEB said:
The only bad effect I can spot in T2 is the guy sticking his arm out from behind the T1000 to give him a third arm while reloading and driving at the same time. Reminded me of the hole Bishop is standing in at the end of Aliens.

Other effects still look great, which is remarkable for early CG work; it generally hasn't held up well.

I never even noticed that until James Cameron pointed it out himself on the DVD.
 
Terminator 2 is still great; it's probably the best action movie of all time. It has aged amazingly; it's perfectly okay that some of the humor sounds like it's from the '90's because that's when the movie takes place.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Terminator 2 is still great; it's probably the best action movie of all time. It has aged amazingly; it's perfectly okay that some of the humor sounds like it's from the '90's because that's when the movie takes place.

I am watching the greatest action of all time on AMC right now. =P
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Terminator 2 is still great; it's probably the best action movie of all time. It has aged amazingly; it's perfectly okay that some of the humor sounds like it's from the '90's because that's when the movie takes place.

it's like top to bottom totally 90s.

- budnick from SALUTE YOUR SHORTS
- kids playing TROG! and AFTERBURNER in an arcade
- GUNS N ROSES blasting from a big handheld boombox
- non-ironic use of george thorogood's "bad to the bone"

but the 90s rocked. and TERMINATOR 2 rocks similarly.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Adjusting Return of the Jedi's 23,019,618 opening weekend from 1983 dollars to 2009 dollars (using the calculator from the Bureau of Labor Statistics) yields 49,134,670.
We aren't talking about opening weekends, we're talking about opening weeks. If we're talkingopening weekends, Avatar doesn't qualify either :) Also, ticket prices have risen faster than inflation.
 
Man, I've been trying to buy tickets to Avatar since my wife hasn't seen it yet and between movietickets.com fucking up and having issues with ordering tickets to it just being sold out way in advance, I just have been unable to do so. The earliest I can get tickets for is now Sunday. I was just now trying to buy tickets for 8:45pm tomorrow and it was listed but between the site stalling out multiple times to now it no longer being listed available, it has left me pretty annoyed and yet amazed that at this point in time, there's no way I can see it tomorrow already.
 
Blader5489 said:
I am watching the greatest action of all time on AMC right now. =P
WTF? The Matrix is on...you lied.

Also in an unrelated note, why all the hate on True Lies? It did a few things:

It was Arnold's last great actioner.

It singlehandedly gave Tom Arnold a career. He was funny in it too.

It presented an unbelievably fuckable Jamie Lee Curtis.

Bill Paxton was hilarious.

Fuck awesome action. I mean who else but Cameron could make a horseback/ motorcycle chase work?

It introduced a young Eliza Dushku.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
WTF? The Matrix is on...you lied.

Also in an unrelated note, why all the hate on True Lies? It did a few things:

It was Arnold's last great actioner.

It singlehandedly gave Tom Arnold a career. He was funny in it too.

It presented an unbelievably fuckable Jamie Lee Curtis.

Bill Paxton was hilarious.

Fuck awesome action. I mean who else but Cameron could make a horseback/ motorcycle chase work?

It introduced a young Eliza Dushku.

I actually really like True Lies. I wouldn't call it a classic or anywhere near Cameron's best (definitely like it better than Avatar and the Abyss), but I always watch it when it's on TV.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
There's nothing wrong with the action in T2; Eddie Furlong is what brings it down. His voice is just so grating that most of the talky scenes he's in are hard to watch for me now.

This. Did they really need to cast someone just entering the throws of puberty? The voice cracking KILLS me.
 
Onix said:
This. Did they really need to cast someone just entering the throws of puberty? The voice cracking KILLS me.

I grew up watching a spanish dub of T2 on TV.

I have to say, I much prefer that dub to Furlong's voice.
 
Hoping Cameron starts to pop up in a few interviews in the coming weeks

He said after January 1st that he was going to review all the leftover footage they had over at WETA....
 
People who diss T2 are dead on the inside. Yes it was cheese but you have to remember the movie was written in the late 80s and filmed in late 80s and a very little bit in the early 90s. Of course there's going to be cheese in there, this was pre Nirvana and freaking Guns N Roses was still popular during that era (hell John was even listening to them on his WALKMAN in the movie).

Fuck the haters, the movie is almost TWENTY years old already and is still fucking awesome.
 
Bought the Survival Guide today. I've only read the first half dozen pages, but I'm already loving it. Awesome concept art of Earth, and backstory that closely matches what Cameron wrote in the '97 scriptment.

ryutaro's mama said:
For me, the only older movies that has flawlessly aged well is Jurrassic Park.

That shit was 1993!!!

Still my favorite film. I still watch it several times a month. I think my family is going to stage an intervention soon enough.
 
Solo said:
Whats really funny in all of this is that FOX is probably begging Cameron to take Terminator back now :lol

Fat chance, the people who own the Terminator franchise are some seriously hot headed execs. They think it's the greatest thing ever and doesn't need to be changed.
 
Snaku said:
Bought the Survival Guide today. I've only read the first half dozen pages, but I'm already loving it. Awesome concept art of Earth, and backstory that closely matches what Cameron wrote in the '97 scriptment.



Still my favorite film. I still watch it several times a month. I think my family is going to stage an intervention soon enough.

Don't know if you read my spoiler earlier about the book, but whats your thoughts
On the potential of Eywa having brought us to Pandora to help save Earth? The first chapter goes into it a bit about how select people dreamed about forests and at the beginning of the movie how Jake said he started dreaming of flying. Also mentions how plants on Pandora could cure diseases and how they could potentially save the oceans on Earth because of Pandora. We as people would have to change our ways, but the life on Pandora could help us. After reading that and having seen the movie a few times it seems very possible that Eywa somehow brought Jake to her.
 
Cracking voice aside, Furlong gives a pretty good performance (for a kid) in T2. Man, that movie is awesome awesome awesome. It deserves every accolade that an action sci-fi movie could be given. It and Aliens are the two best action films, period.
 
Dead said:
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Didn't notice their qeues were already attached in the movie. I thought it supposed to happen after the scene cuts off, but looks like it was cut from the middle of the scene.

edit: pic is from Leona Lewis music vid, not movie rip

You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hanging out in front of places selling weed and shit. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals and shit. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah. Like, be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien lifeform... and fuck it. And people'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Cracking voice aside, Furlong gives a pretty good performance (for a kid) in T2.

Yeah he was and don't forget, American History X.

But speaking of his T2 performance, "I order you not to go, I ORDER YOU NOT TO GO!!!" was rough man. He played it well.
 
Darko said:
You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hanging out in front of places selling weed and shit. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals and shit. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah. Like, be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien lifeform... and fuck it. And people'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
:lol :lol :lol
 
Sharp said:
We aren't talking about opening weekends, we're talking about opening weeks. If we're talkingopening weekends, Avatar doesn't qualify either :) Also, ticket prices have risen faster than inflation.
Ah, I forgot I was talking about opening weeks. :lol

But just from looking at Jedi's unadjusted take, it didn't go up. We're talking about $100m+ debut weeks that went up in the second week; Jedi went down.

And while I'm all for adjusting for inflation to create a real-dollar comparison, adjusting for ticket prices doesn't make sense, since the point is how much money the movie makes, not how much money it makes if you exclude ticket price increases, or the boost in prices from 3D projection, for that matter. Money is money.

The point still stands - even adjusting for inflation, no movie (that we can find yet) has pulled off the kind of second week performance Avatar has.
 
Dead said:
Hoping Cameron starts to pop up in a few interviews in the coming weeks

He said after January 1st that he was going to review all the leftover footage they had over at WETA....

He did? I may have read that but don't remember. Link?
 
Dead said:
Hoping Cameron starts to pop up in a few interviews in the coming weeks

He said after January 1st that he was going to review all the leftover footage they had over at WETA....
Huh, never heard that one before. I know that a few VFX people have come out and stated that there's a lot of unused footage in various forms of quality/completeness which were either cut or not finished for the theatrical release. Here's hoping Cameron grabs as much of it as possible.

I'd imagine FOX and co. will start talking more about things after another week, or when Avatar passes 1 billion worldwide.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Ah, I forgot I was talking about opening weeks. :lol

But just from looking at Jedi's unadjusted take, it didn't go up. We're talking about $100m+ debut weeks that went up in the second week; Jedi went down.

And while I'm all for adjusting for inflation to create a real-dollar comparison, adjusting for ticket prices doesn't make sense, since the point is how much money the movie makes, not how much money it makes if you exclude ticket price increases, or the boost in prices from 3D projection, for that matter. Money is money.

The point still stands - even adjusting for inflation, no movie (that we can find yet) has pulled off the kind of second week performance Avatar has.
Hm, you may be right. Well, in that case, hats off to Avatar, the level that it is doing things on is really incredible for a movie of its size (though I still suspect that the week on which it opened has a lot to do with it). Doesn't invalidate what I said before, though--we'll see what the drop is like after the holidays.
 
I see it doing 6-8 million next week per day. Most theaters drop a few early shows so there are less showings and everyone goes back to school/work. However the WOM is so large on this title and so many theaters are still selling out consistently it may have got people to hold off and see it during the week when it will be "less" busy.
 
That may very well have been the coolest fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I recorded zero outside stimulus throughout the length of the film, my girlfriend thought I was mad or disappointed. XD

The only thing that rivaled my experience watching Avatar was watching all the Star Wars movies sequentially for the first time.

Feeling so unbelievably engrossed in the universe; wanting so bad to be there. Cameron and cast nailed it.
 
Sharp said:
Hm, you may be right. Well, in that case, hats off to Avatar, the level that it is doing things on is really incredible for a movie of its size (though I still suspect that the week on which it opened has a lot to do with it). Doesn't invalidate what I said before, though--we'll see what the drop is like after the holidays.
Of course it does. But that week has happened every year. :p

And yea, next week's drop will be the tell. But I have a feeling it will hold up better than most.

Look back to Christmas Day: Sherlock Holmes debuts at #1, and is tracking to hit $200m - a huge hit. It's following a fairly normal cadence for that kind of debut; what Avatar would do it it were a normal movie. But Sherlock's daily take has already dropped to just over one half of Avatar's. So I expect Avatar to continue to outperform the seasonal trends even when the holidays are over.
 
Scullibundo said:
He did? I may have read that but don't remember. Link?
Edit: Found it

http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/camerons-twenty-year-journey-to-pandora

JC: That's still being worked out. My two editors on the film, it was a three person team, while I'm running around promoting, they've stayed on to organize all the materials for those scenes and partial scenes that were removed. They'll present that to me after the first of the year and we'll make some decisions on what makes sense to go on the DVD/Blu-ray.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Terminator 2 is still great; it's probably the best action movie of all time. It has aged amazingly; it's perfectly okay that some of the humor sounds like it's from the '90's because that's when the movie takes place.

I love Terminator 2 but Aliens is easily his best film, pretty close to being my favorite science fiction film of all time. Pretty amazing for 1986.
 
Odious Tea said:
Blasphemer!

Fake edit: care to elaborate?

For reference, I watched it in RealD.

It's hard to say, there's such a difference between 2D and 3D it's difficult for me to say which one is objectively better, though I could list a few reasons why I prefer 2D. I've been watching movies this way my whole life and getting immersed has never been a problem for me, especially in a world as beautiful and carefully crafted as Avatar's. 3D is still a bit weird to me, I guess it has to do with it not being true 3D, but an illusion, for instance: something on the screen is always out of focus or slightly blurry, so you have to direct your attention to a specific point on the screen; also, some grandiose scenes seemed to lost some impact because the action was happening in the background, usually with a character overlooking it.

In the end, though, all I can say is I felt more emotionally attached to the world and the characters when I watched in 2D, that's probably the only reason. Why I felt more emotionally attached, I still don't know.

By the way, I'd like to send a big "fuck you, you're an idiot" to anyone who thought the story was bad or even average. Seriously, if you think so, you are completely clueless and I pity you.
 
Masaki_ said:
By the way, I'd like to send a big "fuck you, you're an idiot" to anyone who thought the story was bad or even average. Seriously, if you think so, you are completely clueless and I pity you.
It's a great story if you've never seen a movie before.
 
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