CassidyIzABeast
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also when is it estimated that Avatar will pass $402 million domestically? Just doing some data calculation..
TacticalFox88
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Ok let me rearrange my wording. Avatar is by all means a sci-fi movie that *should* only appeal to a niche amount of people. But America has proved in spades that everyone's a nerd at heart.DanielPlainview said:
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TacticalFox88 said:
Why would you say that? The only barrier Avatar ever had, was that the Navi designs were a real turn off in all promotional material and trailers. They looked stupid and dumb. Outside of that, everything in the story screamed BIG ADVENTURE FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY. I was a huge doubter of the commercial aspects of the movie because of the marketing of the film and the designs, but never once did I question the potential appeal of the actual scenario. It's a big action adventure on a lush alien world, it's PG-13, and it's by a master action filmmaker. How is that niche?
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thanks! just checking my facts. Going to write up a post of all the heavy ownage...any more facts you guys want me to throw in there? So far this is what I have:
Anything else?
- Avatar made an estimated $68.3 million at the domestic BO in it's third weekend, crushing the previous record of $45 million set by Spider-Man 3.
- James Cameron will hold the #1 and #2 spots at the worldwide box office by the end of the week.
- irfan over at the NeoGAF forums also did some compiling in terms of how long it took the top 5 grossers to hit the $1 billion mark. This is what he found:
1. Titanic took 11 weeks (final: $1.84 billion)
2. LOTR: Return of the King took 10 weeks (final: $1.12 billion)
3. Pirates of the Caribean: Dead Man's Chest took 10 weeks (final: $1.07 billion)
4. Avatar took 17 days (current total: $1.02 billion)
5. The Dark Knight only hit it with the small Janurary re-release, making just a hair over $1 billion.
- The #1 2009 domestic grosser (so far) Transformers Revenge of the Fallen took 114 days to hit $402 million. Avatar will surpass that by next weekend (21 days).
Anything else?
You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into it.TacticalFox88 said:
Avatar, for better or worse, is a movie in the age old Hollywood tradition of the FX epic, and the successful entries in this genre were always box office hits, there is nothing niche about it.
As for the "smarts" of this movie, that's a whole different discussion, but I think the movie's success is mostly attributed to its visuals.
TacticalFox88
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I can see where your coming from, I just thought because of the genre itself it shouldn't have done so well. But then again, I'm didn't think the film would go pass 600 WW so I guess my crow is served.duckroll said:
DanielPlainview said:
More than anything, it's a very smart world design. If you read the scriptment, you see that everything in the world makes sense, all the "scientific" detail is very well thought out, BUT it all revolves around the Treeroot network/mind Eywa. In trying to simplify that, and hide it a bit for the sequels, some things were introduced that don't make much sense. For instance, when Jake goes to visit all the clans (btw did they transport the Avatar module/emiter around or did he visit only nearby clans?), why do it when they can communicate through the network (as they did in the script). When Ney'tiri found Jake and took him to the village, in the script the rest of the village already knew about it in the scriptment version. You can argue that they also knew there was a stranger coming in the movie but it's not so explicit. It's as if on simplifying things, possibly to make them part of a greater whole for the sequels, there was some loss of consistency. There are other things... but the gist of it is, when I read the scriptment I kept thinking how well put together everything was. The plot was still simple, and there was little character development, but everything made complete sense. The movie loses some of it. I'd not describe it anywhere near "dumb" anyway. It's still light-years beyond crap like Transformers 2.
I also read someone's post mentioning that the guys in the horses were completely decimated. That's not so in the scriptment. They don't just charge. They run away when needed and ambush the AMP suits and even low-flying jocks in the Scorpions. They have their small victories even if they're losing before Eywa responds. It's not a massacre like in the movie.
Still, we all know Cameron was a relatively unknown filmmaker, a budding youngster, before he made Avatar. I firmly believe, however, that with the added clout this movie will grant him he'll now have the studio kneeling before him. He'll be able to ask for whatever resources, time, money he wishes, and will do better next time. I, for one, expect great things of him.
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I really think the high prices are pushing the revenue for this movie in ways no other movie had a chance to prior. Not to mention natural ticket price progression. Box Office Mojo is showing Titanic's year was at 4.69. While it is 7.19 for this year. Add on the 3$ surplus charge for 3D, and the inclusion of Imax Theaters which really didn't have much of a presence till recently outside of Museums and such. Fair chance Avatar's average ticket price is over 10$ Well over 100% higher. For sheer volume pushed, I don't think it is nearly as impressive as Titanic.
But damn is it not going to smash everything else in it's way. It shows that Cameron is probably the best still at bringing in people. Making a movie generic enough not to turn off people while still being good enough to draw in such a wide variety of people constantly.
If any movie that needs to break this 3rd weekend record with normal drops of 40% then it needs an opening weekend of almost 200M. :lolSpeevy said:
I disagree with you that Avatar is almost entirely about visual spectacle. It's a journey with a strong emotional aspect based on a clear core theme. It's inspiring. I've seen it twice and I'm looking forward to seeing it again soon.
Again, I like TDK a lot, but it's hard for me to revisit because the characters are so flat.
Avatar is not a smart movie at all, but it was very good.
And yeah, that the movie is already over $1 billion worldwide and will be the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time next week is amazing. I didn't think I'd be saying it, but at this point Titanic may be within reach worldwide. The overseas weekend totals have been massive. $133 million is this weekend's estimate, but the initial estimates were revised upward the last two weekends. As for the North American market, it'll definitely see a major drop next weekend, but the NA release schedule is fairly dry until the 15th. We'll see what this little movie can do.
As a sci-fi nerd, I'm just happy to see it doing so well.
Oh and if we're going to start talking about prices adjusted for inflation, yeah, Titanic is at #6 in North America. So what's the point in even going there?
And yeah, that the movie is already over $1 billion worldwide and will be the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time next week is amazing. I didn't think I'd be saying it, but at this point Titanic may be within reach worldwide. The overseas weekend totals have been massive. $133 million is this weekend's estimate, but the initial estimates were revised upward the last two weekends. As for the North American market, it'll definitely see a major drop next weekend, but the NA release schedule is fairly dry until the 15th. We'll see what this little movie can do.
As a sci-fi nerd, I'm just happy to see it doing so well.
Oh and if we're going to start talking about prices adjusted for inflation, yeah, Titanic is at #6 in North America. So what's the point in even going there?
Avatar's 3rd weekend is $28m larger than the all-time record January opening weekend.DanielPlainview said:
It's also the largest 3rd weekend ever, by $23m.
At this point it's not just breaking records, it's breaking them by just absurd margins.
TacticalFox88 said:
I do wonder how much of this is will be a self-propagating myth now. The fact that his last film was Titanic still means a lot (I don't think his absence took anything away from that and I don't think young kids were the ones that drove the boxoffice) and now that Avatar has done so well, his next film might automatically become an 'event' film.
I am skeptical about it being the 'savior' of cinema though and a bit worried about what studios would take away from this.
And we would be (mostly) right.koam said:
Compare these two lists -
- Gone with the Wind
- Star Wars
- The Sound of Music
- E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
- The Ten Commandments
- Titanic
- Jaws
- Doctor Zhivago
- The Exorcist
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Titanic
- The Dark Knight
- Star Wars
- Shrek 2
- E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
- Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
- Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
- Spider-Man
- Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
- Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
Do you really find the second list better?
And I'm not talking about which list have better movies, but what list better represents the biggest blockbusters in history.
(mind you, this is only adjusted for inflation and ticket price, not population growth).
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GhaleonEB said:
nice! that 1st fact is awesome. Just about to post if anyone has anything else to add!
CassidyIzABeast
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Cameron has moved on from king of the world and is now calling himself Supreme Ruler of the Galaxy
I know, the first list is better however, people are comparing Avatar's numbers to Titanic being on top which is list #2. If you're going to compare it to list #2, then you don't bitch about inflated prices.Chichikov said:
P.S How do you get to the list of all time best with price adjusted worldwide?
shintoki said:
I don't think Cameron cares about how much he is making from this as much as he cares about how much more money he will be able to get to make his next movie. He's already a very wealthy man, so he could probably afford to make movies for free for the rest of his life as long as he gets the insane budget from Fox to do whatever he wants to do.
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duckroll said:
Which I think we can assume will happen. Blank checks all around!
TacticalFox88
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Why the HELL would you need a 1B dollar budget? Shit, I couldn't think of anything that would cost that much. Or even a reason why.Vic said:
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There was a time when a $100m budget was unthinkable.TacticalFox88 said:
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duckroll said:Why rely on CG effects to create alien worlds, when you can use genetic engineering to MAKE an alien world in a huge sound stage floating in space!
Just go and shoot the movie on the Moon.
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cool, here is the write-up if you guys want all the facts in one place: Avatar Crosses $1 Billion, Becomes 4th Highest Grossing Film of All-Time
in 17 Days
I also included some freaking awesome photos taken on the worldwide tour via LIFE:
so cool!
I also included some freaking awesome photos taken on the worldwide tour via LIFE:
so cool!
Neither list is perfect, you're obviously not doing a totally fair comparisons either way.StoOgE said:
But come on now, look at these lists, do you really doubt that as far as historical significance (and really now, unless you're a shareholder, what other reasons do you have to look at such lists?), adjusting for ticket price is the way to go.
TacticalFox88
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OH zoe the things I'd do to you....DanielPlainview said:
so cool!
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