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StuBurns said:
There was some meaningful stuff cut from Titanic if I remember correctly, but for the most part it's a second here, a few seconds there, small pieces of conversation, anything to get the running time down.
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The only scene that I thought actually felt like a fully fledged story cut was the Lovejoy pursuit scene, but Cameron was 100% correct in cutting it. I found the rest to be exactly like what you just described.
 
Dead said:
The only scene that I thought actually felt like a fully fledged story cut was the Lovejoy pursuit scene, but Cameron was 100% correct in cutting it. I found the rest to be exactly like what you just described.
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Wasn't there the stuff that actually led her to the suicide attempt? He forces himself on her and she smashes up her room a little bit?
 
StuBurns said:
Wasn't there the stuff that actually led her to the suicide attempt? He forces himself on her and she smashes up her room a little bit?
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There was, but from what I remember of the last time I saw the movie, I think the movie got the point across well enough without it, which isn't something I could say for a scene like the Dreamhunt in Avatar, in my opinion at least.
 
Dead said:
There was, but from what I remember of the last time I saw the movie, I think the movie got the point across well enough without it, which isn't something I could say for a scene like the Dreamhunt in Avatar, in my opinion at least.
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Strangely, it's only once you see Dreamhunt (for me at least) that you really realize it's gone, even though the scenes around were obviously colored by it's presence. A better example of what I mean is the big flying hunting scene, then it goes to his encounter with the Shadow, he talks about being an awesome flying hunter, and it just seems like exposition in the original cut, but it's summation in the newer cuts in context.

In Titanic I never questioned why she wanted to kill herself, she says it's her "whole world and everyone in it" which I thought was explanation enough really, but once I knew the scene was missing and saw it, I really missed it and was surprised I didn't notice it's absence before.
 
StuBurns said:
Strangely, it's only once you see Dreamhunt (for me at least) that you really realize it's gone, even though the scenes around were obviously colored by it's presence. A better example of what I mean is the big flying hunting scene, then it goes to his encounter with the Shadow, he talks about being an awesome flying hunter, and it just seems like exposition in the original cut, but it's summation in the newer cuts in context.

In Titanic I never questioned why she wanted to kill herself, she says it's her "whole world and everyone in it" which I thought was explanation enough really, but once I knew the scene was missing and saw it, I really missed it and was surprised I didn't notice it's absence before.
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I would chalk that up to the prowess of the editing team. I can't even imagine what a daunting clusterfuck it was to put the movie together.

But yeah, after seeing the scene, its omission is incredibly glaring when watching the film for me as well.
 
You disappoint me Dead. I have the 4 disc Titanic Deluxe edition.

And 190-200 minutes is the real cut?

The Dream Hunt, Hunt Festival, Long Way From Earth and extended/alternate montage would put it at nearly 210 mins.
 
:(

I still only had the original single disc DVD until I got the 3 disc set last week :lol Got lucky too as its OOP and got it cheaper than its going for on Ebay
 
Scullibundo said:
And 190-200 minutes is the real cut?

The Dream Hunt, Hunt Festival, Long Way From Earth and extended/alternate montage would put it at nearly 210 mins.
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Actually, all those scenes would still put the film at exactly 200 minutes, or just under it I think
 
I wonder if they could work their voodoo and fit a 200 minute Avatar on 1 blu-ray disc?

King Kong extended is 200 minutes on 1 disc, and looks bloody amazing, one of the best looking BRDs alongside Avatar imo.
 
Still waiting for a special edition that tops this though.

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lol, no special edition will ever top those

Until they are released on Blu-Ray and Jackson adds even more bonus material they he held back years ago

In terms of actual video content length, the Avatar CE just about matches one of the LOTR CEs, but LOTR wins out thanks to the FOUR audio commentaries.
 
Dead said:
I wonder if they could work their voodoo and fit a 200 minute Avatar on 1 blu-ray disc?

King Kong extended is 200 minutes on 1 disc, and looks bloody amazing, one of the best looking BRDs alongside Avatar imo.
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Once Upon a Time in America is coming in January and that's 230 minutes.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Once Upon a Time in America is coming in January and that's 230 minutes.
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Yeah, but that movie isn't as demanding, video and effects wise, as Avatar. I don't know much about blu-ray movie transfers, but Im guessing special effect heavy films probably require a lot more space. I could be completely wrong though.

Gone with the Wind is also 230 minutes and one disc, but its a 1:33 film from 1939
 
The video makes very little difference. It's true you can compress less busy frames more easily than rich ones, but special effects doesn't mean an image is more rich or not.

However, if they released Avatar in scope as they should have, they'd save almost 500k pixel per frame to compress, you could probably increase the quality. This version that just came out certainly could have been better than the first one.
 
StuBurns said:
Yeah, I preferred it at the cinema.
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Oh.

The movie just doesn't look right in scope to me. It bugged me when I saw the special edition in theaters. The 1.78 ratio just works a lot better with the immense scale of the film I think, so many of the shot compositions look so much better too imo.
 
Dead said:
Oh.

The movie just doesn't look right in scope to me. It bugged me when I saw the special edition in theaters. The 1.78 ratio just works a lot better with the immense scale of the film I think, so many of the shot compositions look so much better too imo.
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Well I only saw it in scope twice, I'm probably much more used to the blocking as it appears in the home release at this point, it might be strange seeing the scope version. Although there are little things that irritate me like the placement of the HUD stuff on his video diary or the height of the subtitles, the stuff that is in a certain position for the scope version.
 
Watching the extended edition right now. Goddamn, it's amazing how much depth is added here. Jake, Grace and Neytiri are much deeper characters. This version basically solves every flaw with the original cut of the film and leaves the haters grasping at straws.
 
StuBurns said:
Well I only saw it in scope twice, I'm probably much more used to the blocking as it appears in the home release at this point, it might be strange seeing the scope version. Although there are little things that irritate me like the placement of the HUD stuff on his video diary or the height of the subtitles, the stuff that is in a certain position for the scope version.
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It looks better in scope. Which is not surprising, considering that's the ratio Cameron composed for.
 
The ekran-taming and flight scene is probably the most orgasmic scene ever put to film. Everything about it comes together so well. The music in that scene is ace as well.
 
Dead said:
lol, noticed another deleted moment from the film in the set.

During the ILM VFX progression, one of the shots showcased is a part from the final battle where Trudy machine guns down another helicopter, it was 100% finished too.
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I also noticed that but figured it was cut to add extra impact to Trudy's entry into the battle, when she attacks Quaritch's gunship and rescues Jake.
 
Bluray.com just reviewed the Avatar 3D bluray.

Avatar's Blu-ray 3D transfer delivers a mesmerizing 1080p experience that's about as close to perfection as any high def 3D release is likely to come for quite some time. It would be fitting (not to mention easy) to simply label this one as "perfect," and indeed, there are so few problems here, and all of them so microscopic in size, that it would border on the sinful to give this transfer anything less than a "perfect" rating. Only ever-so-slight "ghosting" is visible when the disc is played back on Panasonic's first-generation Blu-ray 3D hardware; eagle-eyed viewers may note a few instances in the yellow Na'vi-to-English subtitles and a trace amount in one or two shots, but that's pretty much the extent of it. The 3D image is simply stunning in how seamless it truly is; every moment practically transports viewers to Pandora, whether the lush tropical outdoor areas or the more sterile and technologically-advanced interiors where humans work when they're not on the surface or inside various military vehicles. The image is wonderfully deep and detailed, with the 3D image adding a great deal to most every scene, whether extending the background far off into the distance or allowing viewers to better appreciate the size and shape of various circular computer displays and workstations that are seen in several places. Avatar's depth is nothing short of remarkable, and it tends to look so real that viewers might occasionally forget that this is 3D; with every other release, there have been instances where the effect is in some way lessened or, on the other end of the spectrum, greatly over-exaggerated, but not here. Look at the instances where Jake speaks into the video log camera; the way the graphics are offset from the rest of the image is fantastic, giving a new meaning to "virtual reality." The image is so crisp and visually astounding that it never allows viewers to slip back into the real world, and even the weight of the 3D glasses and whatever eye strain might accompany other titles at least seems drastically lessened here. While there aren't many "wow" moments -- nothing really jumps out at the audience -- Avatar impresses through its stability and constant depth of field. It's hard to describe just how wonderful this transfer is; it's the definitive 3D release of the year, and that's not even to mention how fine it is in several other areas of note.

As if the amazing 3D visuals weren't enough, Avatar yields an exceptional color palette and plenty of fine detailing that both elevate the disc to the top of the heap and make it the premiere Blu-ray 3D disc in production. The transfer handles CGI and physical material alike with a precision that's rarely achieved on Blu-ray; the two mesh perfectly, with the transfer picking up not only the most subtle of nuances on real objects such as human faces, but also on all of the digital environments and creatures that give Pandora and its inhabitants a tangible sense of reality that is the key factor in making the movie as successful as it is from a visual perspective. Additionally, Avatar's striking color palette is handled as well in 3D as it is in 2D; there's no perceptible drop-off in color, whether the steely blue and sterile hues that dominate the opening of the film or the lively and bright purples, oranges, blues, and greens that define many of the exterior Pandora shots. Blacks, too, are faultless with only one or two very minor instances where they appear a bit more murky than they probably should. Flesh tones, too, are solid, and there's no perceptible amounts of banding, blocking, or other eyesores to be found. Perhaps the highest praise that could be given to Avatar's 3D transfer? Release it wide -- give it away, even, to every single 3D buyer -- right now and place this disc in every 3D demo player across the world. Get the disc in people's hands and in front of their eyes, and 3D units will move, and move quickly. Why the highest-grossing film of all time and the one fans want to see more than any other in 3D is saddled with an exclusive and therefore pricy release is beyond the imaginations of anyone but the highest-ups at Fox and Panasonic. Perhaps they have insight, charts, and other odds and ends that tell them that exclusivity on this, or any, title is the way to go, but it's near impossible to fathom a reality in which getting this release out there wide -- even as-is with no extras -- could be bad for rapid 3D adoption. It's the Blu-ray 3D release of the year, and only a select few will see it for the foreseeable future.
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MYE said:
Still waiting for a special edition that tops this though.
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Man, I still need to get all of those. Only have the first, and that copy has seen better days already.

Haven't seen the extended cut for Avatar yet. I bought the DVD (don't have a Blu-ray player) when it first came out, and don't particulary feel like shelling out for another copy. In any case, the last thing I need is an extended Smurf mating scene.
 
I have to say I'm not a big fan of the extended Earth opening. We're supposed to believe that Earth is a craphole, but it looks more like Coruscant than the dark, bleak world of Blade Runner. The only part of it I liked was in Jake's apartment when he's watching a program about cloning, which foreshadows the technology used to create the Avatars.
 
richiek said:
I have to say I'm not a big fan of the extended Earth opening. We're supposed to believe that Earth is a craphole, but it looks more like Coruscant than the dark, bleak world of Blade Runner. The only part of it I liked was in Jake's apartment when he's watching a program about cloning, which foreshadows the technology used to create the Avatars.
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I don't like it either, but for different reasons. I don't think we were ever meant to think Earth was a shit hole, only that 'there's no green there', which appears to be true.
 
Ah, I just remembered what visual effect I really don't like and has always stood out day one for me, the "bamboo" trees during the Thanator chase. They just look wrong and like they don't belong in the scene.

Bit-Bit said:
I'm gonna be on eBay shelling out 80 dollars for this.
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Good luck with that. :lol
 
StuBurns said:
I don't like it either, but for different reasons. I don't think we were ever meant to think Earth was a shit hole, only that 'there's no green there', which appears to be true.
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Everyone has to wear a rebreather too though because of pollution. And apparently most people live on a spirulina-based diet.
 
Got my extended edition yesterday, watched most of it after not seeing it since it was in theaters. I fucking love this movie, the extended scenes are great and it looks GORGEOUS.
 
Bill_Duke said:
Why is that so expensive?
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Right now its bundled exclusively with high-end Panasonic 3DTVs, there's no other way to get it. What you're seeing here is the seller exploiting this fact. :P
 
Have people figured out pirating 3D bluray yet? Do we have 3D HD codecs a PS3 can play for example?

I'm not asking because I intend to pirate it, I don't have a 3D TV.
 
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