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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)
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From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2013560120_exhibition01.html
You might not want to read the comments section though.
From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2013560120_exhibition01.html
You might not want to read the comments section though.
Rough crowd.
SCULLIBUNDO
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jett said:
Yeah. The auditions of most of the actors and a funny little animated short about Landau.
Yeah, I love that even those masks are totally commercialised. There are even full face Kabuki masks in the crowdDonMigs85 said:
And yeah, Jake obviously isn't wearing one as that just kinda points to how he no longer gives a shit. But you can notice there are a couple more people on the streets not wearing them.
The extended edition really solves like 90% of the critical complaints about the film. If only there was a cut that removed "fight terror with terror" and "some kind of shock and awe campaign", it would be an absolute top-tier film.
Gotta say it again: Jake's O-face in the tendril mating scene is fucking hilarious. I almost fell off my couch during that scene.
Gotta say it again: Jake's O-face in the tendril mating scene is fucking hilarious. I almost fell off my couch during that scene.
Weren't you just the other day trashing the 2DBlu-Ray after seeing the movie in 3D again :loljett said:
Its not too hard for me to not feel bad about not being able to watch Avatar in 3D at home. I just love the crisp and beautiful picture of the 2D blu-ray. Its just gorgeous, and even the 2D picture has incredible depth many times throughout the movie.
Oh, have you watched the Deleted Scenes yet Jett?
The scenes about the school shooting really should have been in the theatrical cut. It's amazing how much depth they add.
- Instead of being a two-dimensional warrior princess, Neytiri is a traumatized, distrustful character who watched her younger sister get slaughtered by humans. This makes the bond she eventually forms with Jake much more powerful.
- Instead of being some botanist/teacher whose school was forced to close, Grace is a deeply compassionate (but now disillusioned) woman who loved her students more than anything and thought she could really make a difference on Pandora. She was forced to accept the cruel reality of the situation when she watched many of her beloved students get gunned down right in front of her by the colonialist marines. She was forced to learn firsthand that her research/educational agenda was considered completely insignificant compared to the mining interests on the planet.
Also, the Tsu'tey death scene brings his relationship with Jake full circle and really elevates him above being Kokoum Part Deux. Not to mention that the scene contains some of the best writing in the whole film.
Damn IMAX for not being able to hold bigger reels.
- Instead of being a two-dimensional warrior princess, Neytiri is a traumatized, distrustful character who watched her younger sister get slaughtered by humans. This makes the bond she eventually forms with Jake much more powerful.
- Instead of being some botanist/teacher whose school was forced to close, Grace is a deeply compassionate (but now disillusioned) woman who loved her students more than anything and thought she could really make a difference on Pandora. She was forced to accept the cruel reality of the situation when she watched many of her beloved students get gunned down right in front of her by the colonialist marines. She was forced to learn firsthand that her research/educational agenda was considered completely insignificant compared to the mining interests on the planet.
Also, the Tsu'tey death scene brings his relationship with Jake full circle and really elevates him above being Kokoum Part Deux. Not to mention that the scene contains some of the best writing in the whole film.
Damn IMAX for not being able to hold bigger reels.
Some of the deleted scenes would have made those scenes even better.
Like the extended learning montage, with Grace playing with the kids, counting each others fingers. Wonderful stuff.
And the Hunt Festival, where you can see that Jake and Tsu'Tey almost start to bond.
the Extended Cut is a better movie, but there is an even better version that is still hidden underneath all the deleted scenes.
The story about the School also improves the flow of the conflict imo. It gives you a better sense of the back and forth that must have been going on prior to Jakes arrival. It really is an essential scene as it touches on so many parts of the movie :lol
Like the extended learning montage, with Grace playing with the kids, counting each others fingers. Wonderful stuff.
And the Hunt Festival, where you can see that Jake and Tsu'Tey almost start to bond.
the Extended Cut is a better movie, but there is an even better version that is still hidden underneath all the deleted scenes.
The story about the School also improves the flow of the conflict imo. It gives you a better sense of the back and forth that must have been going on prior to Jakes arrival. It really is an essential scene as it touches on so many parts of the movie :lol
SCULLIBUNDO
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I really, really hate Norm. I hope he bites it hard in Avatar 2.
And jett, I can't wait to hear your impressions of some of the deleted scenes.
Notably: The Hunt Festival, The Dream Hunt, Long Way From Earth, Alternate Montage and LETS KICK SOME BLUE ASS (not so much the last one, but I still would have appreciated it
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And jett, I can't wait to hear your impressions of some of the deleted scenes.
Notably: The Hunt Festival, The Dream Hunt, Long Way From Earth, Alternate Montage and LETS KICK SOME BLUE ASS (not so much the last one, but I still would have appreciated it
)TacticalFox88
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I think it's the voice more than the character.Scullibundo said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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TacticalFox88 said:
I think it's Joel Moore more than anything. Well Grace and Trudy are dead, hopefully Norm will lbe able to act as the requisite Cameron cannon fodder in A2.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Solo said:
Get your ass on that extended edition and deleted scenes.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Take special note of the scenes I specified a few posts above.
:lol Well that thing is that that I had just seen the Avatar re-release and the film really is meant to be seen in 3D, it's such a better experience on the big screen, and it does look even better. Video quality on the BD really is excellent though, but doesn't compare to watching it on the big screen and in 3D. Blu-ray is a nice compromise.
Yeah I watched them afterwards. You know, overall I think all of the scenes are good cuts. The Hunt Festival and the Dream Hunt are definitely the ones that stand out the most. Really liked The Festival, it's the classic party scene that's always in in these "stranger in a stranger's land" stories. Too bad it's inconsequential as Tsu'Tey goes from "hey I kind like you" back to "GRRRR i hate you again because i'm jealous and that's my woman". The Dream Hunt is just WEIRD and pretty creepy, I feel it's completely out of place with the rest of the movie's tone. I'm not sure if I like it.
Quaritch getting in Selfridge's face was pretty cool, but still it doesn't change the movie. I'm not sure if Selfridge was actually getting remorse of he just cared about Quaritch taken control of the base.
What's the alternate montage again? I don't remember, is it Grace talking with her students?
Let's kick some blue ass is the Avatars attacking the base right? Yeah I don't care about that at all. Movie's called Avatar not Avatars!
What I really didn't like at all was Norm and Trudy hooking up, WTF was that. Out of the blue.
Overall my opinion on the deleted scenes is the same as most of the additions in the re-release/EE. More here is just more, not really better(or worse), but truthfully it's hard to judge the deleted scenes in their unfinished stage. The only scene that I feel really and truly added to the movie and introduced and important plot point is Tsu'Tey's death scene. When watching the theatrical edition I had no idea Jake had become the leader of the Omaticaya. That I loved and couldn't do without, although I agree a bit with Cameron's reasoning for cutting it. Still though, really awesome to see all the material left on the cutting room.
The fact is that I like the movie just the way it is. I'm not sure if I could handle a 4-hour cut of Avatar, it doesn't need one, and it wouldn't alter it in a meaningful way either.
Scullibundo said:I really, really hate Norm. I hope he bites it hard in Avatar 2.
And jett, I can't wait to hear your impressions of some of the deleted scenes.
Notably: The Hunt Festival, The Dream Hunt, Long Way From Earth, Alternate Montage and LETS KICK SOME BLUE ASS (not so much the last one, but I still would have appreciated it
Yeah I watched them afterwards. You know, overall I think all of the scenes are good cuts. The Hunt Festival and the Dream Hunt are definitely the ones that stand out the most. Really liked The Festival, it's the classic party scene that's always in in these "stranger in a stranger's land" stories. Too bad it's inconsequential as Tsu'Tey goes from "hey I kind like you" back to "GRRRR i hate you again because i'm jealous and that's my woman". The Dream Hunt is just WEIRD and pretty creepy, I feel it's completely out of place with the rest of the movie's tone. I'm not sure if I like it.
Quaritch getting in Selfridge's face was pretty cool, but still it doesn't change the movie. I'm not sure if Selfridge was actually getting remorse of he just cared about Quaritch taken control of the base.
What's the alternate montage again? I don't remember, is it Grace talking with her students?
Let's kick some blue ass is the Avatars attacking the base right? Yeah I don't care about that at all. Movie's called Avatar not Avatars!
What I really didn't like at all was Norm and Trudy hooking up, WTF was that. Out of the blue.
Overall my opinion on the deleted scenes is the same as most of the additions in the re-release/EE. More here is just more, not really better(or worse), but truthfully it's hard to judge the deleted scenes in their unfinished stage. The only scene that I feel really and truly added to the movie and introduced and important plot point is Tsu'Tey's death scene. When watching the theatrical edition I had no idea Jake had become the leader of the Omaticaya. That I loved and couldn't do without, although I agree a bit with Cameron's reasoning for cutting it. Still though, really awesome to see all the material left on the cutting room.
The fact is that I like the movie just the way it is.
I'm not sure if I could handle a 4-hour cut of Avatar, it doesn't need one, and it wouldn't alter it in a meaningful way either.
I get sweaty just imaging how large the sum was that locked that film down as exclusive. The review that was posted said it made no to him why they would do it, but it is genius, the money must be obscene, and no one really has 3D stuff yet, by the time they do, and they drop the film out to the public in 3D it's going to blow up again.
Insane money.
Insane money.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jett - the 'Lets kick some blue ass' scene is NOT the Avatars attacking. Its just an extended bit of the humans preparing for war with Quaritch announcing 'Good morning, ready to make history?' before checking all the men loading into AMP suits, the miners turned soldiers, all the soliders loading up into the vehicles, followed by some superior announcing over the com 'Alright, lets kick some blue ass out there gentleman'.
Seth Engstrom, one of the concept designers for the movie, put up a bunch of his concept art in the last month. Some really awesome stuff...
Teaser poster concept:
Something interesting about it, in the mock up credits, Peter Mensah is listed among all the regulars from the movie. Peter Mensah, Doctore from Spartacus Blood and Sand and the Courier from 300, was in the movie as the Horse Clan Leader, but he's in the movie for like 45 seconds total. I wonder, was his character, which was named and even had an action figure made of, supposed to have a lot more screentime? I remember back when the movie released, there was word of a deleted scene where we meet the other clan leaders. Either way, he isn't featured in any of the deleted scenes on the Collector's Edition...
Early concept art of Pandora orbiting Polyphemus:
Hometree anatomy:
Pandora concept art:
Earth:
Early Link Pod design:
Tons more stuff at the website, including character designs, Hell's Gate concepts, Link pod designs, etc.
Teaser poster concept:
Something interesting about it, in the mock up credits, Peter Mensah is listed among all the regulars from the movie. Peter Mensah, Doctore from Spartacus Blood and Sand and the Courier from 300, was in the movie as the Horse Clan Leader, but he's in the movie for like 45 seconds total. I wonder, was his character, which was named and even had an action figure made of, supposed to have a lot more screentime? I remember back when the movie released, there was word of a deleted scene where we meet the other clan leaders. Either way, he isn't featured in any of the deleted scenes on the Collector's Edition...
Early concept art of Pandora orbiting Polyphemus:
Hometree anatomy:
Pandora concept art:
Earth:
Early Link Pod design:
Tons more stuff at the website, including character designs, Hell's Gate concepts, Link pod designs, etc.
TheKaeptain
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Is that some type of dome I see?
TheKaeptain
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That is a cool idea.
Edit: Is there concept art of how the city look like from a far?
Edit: Is there concept art of how the city look like from a far?
I finally watched the extended edition last week. The image quality is amazing, but it's definitely missing something from the lack of 3D. The benefit though, is that I can finally watch the Thanator scene without wanting to die. The fast motion blurring + 3D + moving camera was awesome at driving me crazy in the cinema. :lol
I really liked the added scenes on the blu-ray. They actually felt pretty significant instead of throwaway extra scenes. It's interesting how as the movie gets LONGER, it actually feels.... shorter. If that even makes sense. For a 3 hour movie, it really doesn't feel draining or particularly long. The pacing is just right and Cameron really nailed the 3-act structure.
Oh and Tst'tey's death scene is pretty fucking zomg. Some amazing facial animation there, which really hammers home how advanced the motion capture system is. Drool...
I really liked the added scenes on the blu-ray. They actually felt pretty significant instead of throwaway extra scenes. It's interesting how as the movie gets LONGER, it actually feels.... shorter. If that even makes sense. For a 3 hour movie, it really doesn't feel draining or particularly long. The pacing is just right and Cameron really nailed the 3-act structure.
Oh and Tst'tey's death scene is pretty fucking zomg. Some amazing facial animation there, which really hammers home how advanced the motion capture system is. Drool...
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah I've always loved that expression.
Awesome to see the concept art up. Looking at the high-def images of the art gallery on disc 2 I wanted to save and print some out. And yeah, that concept poster should have been the design for the final poster.
Awesome to see the concept art up. Looking at the high-def images of the art gallery on disc 2 I wanted to save and print some out. And yeah, that concept poster should have been the design for the final poster.
Its purely Camerons preference.
If they had laser rifles, the scene with Quaritch holding the assault rifle right up to his face while shooting at the copter wouldn't be nearly as awesome. I love how god damn powerful the machine gun sound effects in that scene are.
If they had laser rifles, the scene with Quaritch holding the assault rifle right up to his face while shooting at the copter wouldn't be nearly as awesome. I love how god damn powerful the machine gun sound effects in that scene are.
I watched the extended edition and the deleted scenes yesterday. I bet I'm not the only who'd have loved to see an even longer cut of the movie with most if not all of those deleted scenes completed and put back in. They do make the movie better because you get character backgrounds for minor characters like Norm Spellman. You now find out that he was supposed to take over from Jake's killed brother. As a scientist he was groomed for the job, spoke the language better than anyone and was supposed to pacify the Na'vi but then Jake suddenly came in and through sheer luck took over his job.
Sigourney Weaver's character is more fleshed out too. Because we now know that Norm was supposed to be the new scientist in town and we know how the soldiers on Pandora ruined her mission, she has better reasons for mistrusting Jake. We see more of Jake's inner conflicts too.
All in all, the deleted scenes would really have enhanced an already perfect movie (and maybe they would have shut up the critics)
Sigourney Weaver's character is more fleshed out too. Because we now know that Norm was supposed to be the new scientist in town and we know how the soldiers on Pandora ruined her mission, she has better reasons for mistrusting Jake. We see more of Jake's inner conflicts too.
All in all, the deleted scenes would really have enhanced an already perfect movie (and maybe they would have shut up the critics)
cloud_sleep
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DonMigs85 said:
Not sure where I read this, I think it's in the Pandorapedia, but the dense atmosphere and high magnetic fields on Pandora render energy weapons ineffective.
SCULLIBUNDO
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ymmv said:
There are only 3 or 4 deleted scenes (around 20 mins worth) that should have been put back in and none of them included Norm. Every deleted Norm scene is cringeworthy except the alternate death scene for his Avatar.
TacticalFox88
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Wait there was a school massacre? 
? How the fuck did I miss that? Anyone mind telling me at what part it's at?
? How the fuck did I miss that? Anyone mind telling me at what part it's at?In the extended edition we see that Grace's old school is riddled with machine gun bullet holes, later on we find out that Quaritch's troops massacred the scool after Neytiri's sister and her friends toasted a bulldozer.TacticalFox88 said:Wait there was a school massacre?
lol, beaten.
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