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RTTP: Jon Stewart on Crossfire

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Laekon

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The state of the media definitely perpetuates the mindset of the US population, though. If all of the US media was like NPR we would be seeing a far more rational and calm discussion of politics. Hamming it up and playing into the confirmation bias of people only serves to make those political chasms bigger.

The news was just following the money as sadly all corporations do. Maybe it's my political bias but I see Fox News as the start of this. They came in fairly biased from the beginning and made shows based on entertainment instead of news. Fox's original "both sides of the issue" show had the fake liberal Colmes basically play the role of Hannity's bitch. They became the #1 news channel on this crap though and everyone followed suit. CNN reacted the slowest and are just lost floating along lost waiting for something to disappear.
 
The news was just following the money as sadly all corporations do. Maybe it's my political bias but I see Fox News as the start of this. They came in fairly biased from the beginning and made shows based on entertainment instead of news. Fox's original "both sides of the issue" show had the fake liberal Colmes basically play the role of Hannity's bitch. They became the #1 news channel on this crap though and everyone followed suit. CNN reacted the slowest and are just lost floating along lost waiting for something to disappear.

I agree. At this point Fox News and MSNBC won't change because this simply gets them more money, but they make a ton of damage to the political discourse in the US and they don't give a fuck. It's frustrating. And CNN...well, they're circling the drain. I don't' know if it's true still but just a couple years ago their ratings were absolutely abysmal. They had all the "non-news as entertainment" news but without the heavily partisan shit to bring in the money, so they suffered. Now they're doing their "bu- bu- but both sides!!" angle IMO in an attempt to bring in viewers from...well, both sides. I don't know how well it's working but I'll wager not so much.
 

karobit

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Wait, Jon Stewart is against unions and didn't strike during the Writer's Strike?

That's sad to hear.

Most late-night shows participated in the strike initially, then were forced by the network to go back on air in improv mode. (Letterman was the exception -- his production company was able to make an independent deal with the union.) Stewart, Colbert, O'Brien, etc are all members (I think), but were also in the position of being The Boss. They all expressed near-nightly sympathy for the strike and lampooned the networks, but needed to continue to do the show so that the non-writing staff & crew could get paid.

MacFarlane can be disappointed in Stewart all he wants (and he's being goaded by Morgan, who clearly wants to stir up some shit), but he speaking from a much more privileged position of someone whose show is weekly instead of nightly, whose scripts are written up to a year in advance, and who works for a network that can replace his programming temporarily with Slut Island or whatever reality show some exec can crap out in five minutes. To say "I'm disappointed that you went back on the air while the strike was still going on" when it was obvious that wasn't what Stewart (or anyone else) wanted to do at all is to ignore the realities of their situations and the very real lives of the rest of the staff.
 
Most late-night shows participated in the strike initially, then were forced by the network to go back on air in improv mode. (Letterman was the exception -- his production company was able to make an independent deal with the union.) Stewart, Colbert, O'Brien, etc are all members (I think), but were also in the position of being The Boss. They all expressed near-nightly sympathy for the strike and lampooned the networks, but needed to continue to do the show so that the non-writing staff & crew could get paid.

MacFarlane can be disappointed in Stewart all he wants (and he's being goaded by Morgan, who clearly wants to stir up some shit), but he speaking from a much more privileged position of someone whose show is weekly instead of nightly, whose scripts are written up to a year in advance, and who works for a network that can replace his programming temporarily with Slut Island or whatever reality show some exec can crap out in five minutes. To say "I'm disappointed that you went back on the air while the strike was still going on" when it was obvious that wasn't what Stewart (or anyone else) wanted to do at all is to ignore the realities of their situations and the very real lives of the rest of the staff.

I will say one thing, that joke certainly made Stewart feel some type of way. Regularly if someone saw a joke they'd just shrug it off and ignore it. The fact that Stewart was furious and argued for an hour is really telling.
 
I will say one thing, that joke certainly made Stewart feel some type of way. Regularly if someone saw a joke they'd just shrug it off and ignore it. The fact that Stewart was furious and argued for an hour is really telling.

Does anyone have a clip of the joke itself? I can't seem to find it on Youtube.
 

B-Dubs

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Wait, Jon Stewart is against unions and didn't strike during the Writer's Strike?

That's sad to hear.

Only if you ignore why he didn't go on strike, so that he could continue paying his staff out of his own pocket. All of the late night hosts did this.
 

benjipwns

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Yeah, everyone that stayed on the air who didn't make a deal with the writers union was quite clear that they were doing so to help keep paying the wages of all the other staffs on their shows.

And I believe the writers union was mostly okay with that.
 

Lime

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Thanks for the clarification all. I wasn't familiar with the background and events, so it's nice getting a rundown of what happened.
 
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